Christians celebrating Passover

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Anonymous wrote:Christians stole the entire Old Testament from Judaism, so.

No. Christianity (33 AD) is older than Rabbinical Judaism (developed after 70 AD). Christianity is the continuation of the faith of the Old Testament Hebrew people.

HAHAHAHAHA thank you for that laugh.

Good one!!!!

I'll admit that the last sentence is my opinion. But the previous sentence is a historical fact taught in any Religious Studies 101 class in any university.

Tell me you went to a hyper Christian college that makes up lessons to fit its narrative without telling me you went to a hyper Christian college that makes up lessons to fit its narrative.

Christianity being older than Judaism is literally impossible. You're really off your rocker with this one.

No, definitely have a secular education. Maybe that's how I know this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbinic_Judaism#:~:text=Following%20the%20destruction%20of%20the,and%20leaders%20of%20individual%20communities.

Dude. Just stop.

I don't need you to tell me when the destruction of the Second Temple occurred, thanks.

So basically just wanted to confirm that you're just going to ignore Temple Judaism like it never existed, and make the claim that Christianity is older than Judaism? Cool.

You're conflating two subjects and you're ridiculous.

I never said Christianity is older than "Judaism". I said Christianity is older than "Rabbinical Judaism," which is just true. Rabbinic Judaism does not have any kind of exclusive claim to previous traditions, as much as it might like to. Rabbinic Judaism is radically, radically different from Second Temple and prior expressions of Judaism.

Rabbinic Judaism is not radically, radically different than Temple Judaism. Obviously there were changes made in practice, but no core beliefs were changed.

Also, what is your point? Because I don't care about the "split," it has nothing to do with Jesus being in the Exodus Passover story. So why comment?

From earliest days, Christians (at first all ethnically Jewish) understood the Passover and subsequent Exodus and freedom from bondage to be typological of Christ's sacrifice for our freedom. That's why. You presuppose that Christians are borrowing the Exodus from Judaism. My point is that we see it as original to our faith tradition (which continues back to eternity past), typological, prophetic, and fulfilled in Christ.

No.

You have Easter to celebrate your proclaimed Messiah.

Leave Passover and Jewish traditions out of your home.

We all live in the United States. We all have complete religious freedom and can worship any way we want. You can do whatever you want, as can everyone, regarding religion and religious practices. You have no right to tell people how to practice their religion. You should mind your own business and concern yourself with your own household. Don’t worry about others, because it isn’t your business.

Legally, Christians can host Seders. Their right to do so is protected by law, as it should be. No one has said they should go to jail for it.

But there are lots of things that are legal, that are also terrible things to do. And being free society doesn't just give people the right to do things that are wrong. It also gives people the right to tell other people that what they are doing is wrong.

No one has any right or responsibility to tell people they are practicing their own religion wrong.

People practicing their religion is not “terrible.”

People practicing their religion isn’t “wrong.”

People need to mind their own business, and not get involved in other people’s religious practices. Period.

That’s what Christians have been doing to Jews for millennia!

We live in the United States and all have religious freedom. No one has a right to tell anyone else how to practice their religion.

Does anyone tell you how to practice your religion?

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Religions have borrowed traditions off each other since the beginning of Humanity, just like languages have, and cultures. This is how humans evolve and societies change.

You sound very intolerant, OP, very rigid and that's never a good thing. You express yourself with hatred. I think you are the problem here.

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Religions have borrowed traditions off each other since the beginning of Humanity, just like languages have, and cultures. This is how humans evolve and societies change.

You sound very intolerant, OP, very rigid and that's never a good thing. You express yourself with hatred. I think you are the problem here.

PP here - Please don’t blame OP for what I wrote.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians stole the entire Old Testament from Judaism, so.

No. Christianity (33 AD) is older than Rabbinical Judaism (developed after 70 AD). Christianity is the continuation of the faith of the Old Testament Hebrew people.

HAHAHAHAHA thank you for that laugh.

Good one!!!!

I'll admit that the last sentence is my opinion. But the previous sentence is a historical fact taught in any Religious Studies 101 class in any university.

Tell me you went to a hyper Christian college that makes up lessons to fit its narrative without telling me you went to a hyper Christian college that makes up lessons to fit its narrative.

Christianity being older than Judaism is literally impossible. You're really off your rocker with this one.

No, definitely have a secular education. Maybe that's how I know this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbinic_Judaism#:~:text=Following%20the%20destruction%20of%20the,and%20leaders%20of%20individual%20communities.

Dude. Just stop.

I don't need you to tell me when the destruction of the Second Temple occurred, thanks.

So basically just wanted to confirm that you're just going to ignore Temple Judaism like it never existed, and make the claim that Christianity is older than Judaism? Cool.

You're conflating two subjects and you're ridiculous.

I never said Christianity is older than "Judaism". I said Christianity is older than "Rabbinical Judaism," which is just true. Rabbinic Judaism does not have any kind of exclusive claim to previous traditions, as much as it might like to. Rabbinic Judaism is radically, radically different from Second Temple and prior expressions of Judaism.

NP here - YES! Rabbinical judaism was a response to historical events, not a change in beliefs. It allowed the religion and culture to survive after the destruction of the Temple.

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Anonymous wrote:Good now maybe everyone will also stop putting up mini Christmas trees and saying it’s just their secular Christmas celebration and that it’s not offensive.

Christmas trees are part of the ancient pagan cultures of northern Europe, not Christian.

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Anonymous wrote:Good now maybe everyone will also stop putting up mini Christmas trees and saying it’s just their secular Christmas celebration and that it’s not offensive.

Christmas trees are part of the ancient pagan cultures of northern Europe, not Christian.

Pagans didn’t have Christmas trees.

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Anonymous wrote:No.

Just no.

Jesus is not part of Passover.

Christians need to stop co-opting Passover and claiming Jesus is part of the Exodus story.

I can't believe I'm now seeing some Christians wearing a kippah now (totally unacceptable and inappropriate!!), along with having a Haggadah and matzah covers.

Seriously??

I've read some ridiculous "justifications" for Christians celebrating and it is just unbelievable to me, although clearly it is..

Come on, y'all.. it's disappointing to say the least.

What Christian do you know that is celebrating Passover? I honestly don't believe any of this.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian. Last night I went to a seder hosted by a very close Jewish friend. That's the only situation in which, IMO, it's appropriate for a Christian to celebrate Passover.

IMO anyone can celebrate whatever they choose. I know Muslims and Jews who have Christmas trees to make their season festive. If I wanted to go out and celebrate Holi - with all the other tourists - I could. Honestly, I'm more offended by the people who are appalled by these celebrations than non-believers partaking in celebratory fun.

You do you and stop worrying about other people. Sheesh.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so creepy and gross. I think these are the worst people. The Christian zionists who bend the knee to Israelis. As Christians we are commanded to bend the knee only to Jesus, and to worship and walk in his ways in all that we do. I have an acquaintance from my kids school, who I actually really admired because of her beautiful Christian forward facing persona, but once I saw on Instagram that she and her family do a Passover Seder where they were the yamulkes and mimic this religion, I knew something was severely wrong with them, and they were conflicted in their hearts. It’s creepy, sinister, and antithetical to Jesus. In the meantime, I wish our Jewish brothers and sisters a peaceful Passover and wishing peace for our brothers and sisters in Palestine and freedom from the yoke of Zionist tyranny. May God finally guide the Jewish people to a true peace and to doing the good their book promises.

^^^and here it is! The reason why this post was started. It is getting tiresome.

What would that reason be? not the PP you're responding to.

NP but obviously the lengthy poster was just building up to a screed against “Zionist tyranny”—-and attempting to frame it as a defense of Jews keeping Passover for themselves so that it would seem palatable to read. Then WHAM—hits you over the head with “brothers and sisters in Palestine” crap. Where is Palestine again??? Can someone map that out for me? Oh, wait—-do you mean Gaza??? Or do you mean Gaza plus alllllll of Israel AFTER you wipe all the Hews off the face of the earth “from the river to the sea” to claim Israel for “Palestinians?” Help me out…am I right???

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Anonymous wrote:No.

Just no.

Jesus is not part of Passover.

Christians need to stop co-opting Passover and claiming Jesus is part of the Exodus story.

I can't believe I'm now seeing some Christians wearing a kippah now (totally unacceptable and inappropriate!!), along with having a Haggadah and matzah covers.

Seriously??

I've read some ridiculous "justifications" for Christians celebrating and it is just unbelievable to me, although clearly it is..

Come on, y'all.. it's disappointing to say the least.

What Christian do you know that is celebrating Passover? I honestly don't believe any of this.

I know a family of Christians who are CULTURALLY Jewish who celebrate Passover. Does that count?

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Anonymous wrote:Good now maybe everyone will also stop putting up mini Christmas trees and saying it’s just their secular Christmas celebration and that it’s not offensive.

Christmas trees are part of the ancient pagan cultures of northern Europe, not Christian.

Pagans didn’t have Christmas trees.

Good catch - The pagans called the “Yule” trees.
Thank you for the correction.

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Anonymous wrote:Growing up, we would go to a dinner at church during which the Passover story was read from Exodus, and we ate a simple meal of soup and bread together. There was a simple Christian prayer before the meal, the general focus was on God being merciful. It was not called “celebrating Passover” per se, it was just a recognition of a special event.

My parents’ Lutheran church hosted a Seder for congregants, complete with Seder plates and Haggadot. I think that was very disrespectful, even though that’s the opposite of what they intended. Passover isn’t a party theme, like casino night.

I doubt it was disrespectful.

All pp has to do is not attend church events they aren’t interested in.

pp does not have the right to judge someone else’s religious practices.I

Freedom of religion is for everyone. If you don’t like what other people do when practicing their religion, avert your eyes, and keep it moving. You don’t have any right to complain or ask them to stop or change because of your beliefs or opinions. You have a pet or child or job or tv show or perhaps your own religion to attend to, so attend. Problem solved.

Sorry to split hairs here, but you’re simply wrong on this one.
PP (and you and I and everyone) does have the “right to judge” ….no one is going to jail for exercising that right. You may not agree with the judgment or share in it, but yes we technically do have a “right” to our opinions and judgment.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus celebrated Passover so it makes sense to want to experience events in the life of Jesus. I am personally not offended at all.

I agree. Jesus was Jewish.

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As a Jew, I disavow the bigoted OP.

If you want other people to respect your myths and legends, you need to respect theirs.

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Anonymous wrote:Growing up, we would go to a dinner at church during which the Passover story was read from Exodus, and we ate a simple meal of soup and bread together. There was a simple Christian prayer before the meal, the general focus was on God being merciful. It was not called “celebrating Passover” per se, it was just a recognition of a special event.

My parents’ Lutheran church hosted a Seder for congregants, complete with Seder plates and Haggadot. I think that was very disrespectful, even though that’s the opposite of what they intended. Passover isn’t a party theme, like casino night.

I doubt it was disrespectful.

All pp has to do is not attend church events they aren’t interested in.

pp does not have the right to judge someone else’s religious practices.I

Freedom of religion is for everyone. If you don’t like what other people do when practicing their religion, avert your eyes, and keep it moving. You don’t have any right to complain or ask them to stop or change because of your beliefs or opinions. You have a pet or child or job or tv show or perhaps your own religion to attend to, so attend. Problem solved.

Sorry to split hairs here, but you’re simply wrong on this one.
PP (and you and I and everyone) does have the “right to judge” ….no one is going to jail for exercising that right. You may not agree with the judgment or share in it, but yes we technically do have a “right” to our opinions and judgment.

A person who judges someone negatively because of their opinions or religious beliefs would be called a bigot.