Where does the $3.8 billion go

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Anonymous wrote:When I was in grad school (in education) in 2003, we looked at the budget of our respective school systems (it was a class of educators from many counties--Arlington, FCPS, DC, Montgomery, PG, Loudoun). At that time FCPS's was appx $2.2B. I am stunned that less than 20 years later, it is almost $4B. That is a staggering amount of money. PP is correct re: the amount which goes to the people that make the system run. In 2003, it was 85%. I am pleasantly surprised that that total has risen to almost 90%.

I would like to see a citation for the claim "for every 2 people in the classroom, there is 1 that isn't".


This is an average increase of 2.7% per year over that time period. Inflation has averaged 2.6% since 2003. Sure it is a stager ring amount of money but context helps here.


Good context. I didn't do the math (should have!)--it does put the increase in perspective. Thank you.


I would agree with the math argument above if I saw the sand inflation adjustment in teacher salaries: if $50k a year in 2003 became $85k a year in 2023 ( and I mean for the same education and experience level). Which did not happen. So this is NOT due to inflation adjustments.


In 2003, starting pay with a MA was $39,184. In 2024 it’s $64,612.

In 2003, step 12 with a MA was $55,803. In 2024 it is $90,379

Page 286: https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/03approved.pdf

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY2024-teacher-195-day.pdf



Actually, starting salary for MA in 2024 is $61,600. If I applied 2.7% yearly increase to 2003 salary, we are $7000 short as 39184*1.027^21=68562. That is 10% short. So.. The stating salary for MA is 10% less today than in 2003 after counting for 2.7% inflation adjustment you mentioned


DP: You have to figure in total compensation though--because health care costs far outpaced inflation--and other teachers' benefits' (pensions and other retirement benefits) costs have also outpaced inflation. Private companies have largely cut a lot of those in order to offer what seems like a higher salary. That's why total compensation packages are considered--not just salary--when looking at inflation.


Respectfully, I disagree. The insurance offered by FCPS today is horrible and very expensive. That is why I personally on my husbands plan. The retirement age is increased and formula is worse than before, and it is applied to the lower salary figures.

All this talk about total compensation is just that talk. The extras we get are stupid “wellness programs” that no one wants. I will take the extra 10% of my salary instead, thank you very much.


Nonetheless, whenever anyone looks at whether salary growth is matching inflation, you need to account for the cost of the employer contribution to health insurance and the cost of running the pension program as these are considered your total compensation. Wellness programs and extras like that are not considered. I'm not making an argument about whether you are happy with any of it--just it's important to how you calculate whether compensation has kept up with inflation.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how much better the pension is than the social security the rest of us receive.


What do you want to know? I just retired this past June. I’ll draw SS when I’m eligible to do so.

The pension plans have also changed a few times for some of those who have been hired since I started 31 years ago.
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Looks like a disproportional share goes to the overhead and not front line staff. Welfare for those who can’t teach or apparently run a successful school district - https://wjla.com/amp/news/local/fairfax-county-public-schools-salary-data-shows-pay-gap-between-senior-staff-teachers-administrators-superintendent-education-finance-economy-community-virginia
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how much better the pension is than the social security the rest of us receive.


What do you want to know? I just retired this past June. I’ll draw SS when I’m eligible to do so.

The pension plans have also changed a few times for some of those who have been hired since I started 31 years ago.


+1, Teachers still receive SS, but the number of teachers that pull their full VRS benefits is probably less than 20% based on teacher attrition numbers.
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Anonymous wrote:Looks like a disproportional share goes to the overhead and not front line staff. Welfare for those who can’t teach or apparently run a successful school district - https://wjla.com/amp/news/local/fairfax-county-public-schools-salary-data-shows-pay-gap-between-senior-staff-teachers-administrators-superintendent-education-finance-economy-community-virginia


There's not surprisingly a salary difference for admin who are taking on leadership roles (often after teaching many years), but the vast majority of the money goes to teachers and front line staff.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how much better the pension is than the social security the rest of us receive.


What do you want to know? I just retired this past June. I’ll draw SS when I’m eligible to do so.

The pension plans have also changed a few times for some of those who have been hired since I started 31 years ago.


+1, Teachers still receive SS, but the number of teachers that pull their full VRS benefits is probably less than 20% based on teacher attrition numbers.


Originally I was aiming for 33 years but stopped after 30. 33 would have made it to full ERFC benefits, but I was ok with the reduction.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how much better the pension is than the social security the rest of us receive.


What do you want to know? I just retired this past June. I’ll draw SS when I’m eligible to do so.

The pension plans have also changed a few times for some of those who have been hired since I started 31 years ago.


+1, Teachers still receive SS, but the number of teachers that pull their full VRS benefits is probably less than 20% based on teacher attrition numbers.


What I want to know is what is the ratio of Social security payment compared to VRS
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Anonymous wrote:Looks like a disproportional share goes to the overhead and not front line staff. Welfare for those who can’t teach or apparently run a successful school district - https://wjla.com/amp/news/local/fairfax-county-public-schools-salary-data-shows-pay-gap-between-senior-staff-teachers-administrators-superintendent-education-finance-economy-community-virginia


There's not surprisingly a salary difference for admin who are taking on leadership roles (often after teaching many years), but the vast majority of the money goes to teachers and front line staff.

https://wjla.com/amp/news/local/fairfax-county-public-schools-salary-data-shows-pay-gap-between-senior-staff-teachers-administrators-superintendent-education-finance-economy-community-virginia

Interesting article. "I made a motion to exclude the highest-earning 25 employees of FCPS from any salary increase. That motion was not seconded and failed." Why would the school board give these top 25 paid employees a 6% increase when they are already disproportianately paid? Is the school board afraid of something?
And regarding "leadership roles:" How many of these people failed-up to these high salaries?
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how much better the pension is than the social security the rest of us receive.


What do you want to know? I just retired this past June. I’ll draw SS when I’m eligible to do so.

The pension plans have also changed a few times for some of those who have been hired since I started 31 years ago.


+1, Teachers still receive SS, but the number of teachers that pull their full VRS benefits is probably less than 20% based on teacher attrition numbers.


What I want to know is what is the ratio of Social security payment compared to VRS


I’m assuming you’re asking about teachers that have worked for 30 years? But as someone who taught for about 10 years, my Social Security will be more than VRS.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how much better the pension is than the social security the rest of us receive.


What do you want to know? I just retired this past June. I’ll draw SS when I’m eligible to do so.

The pension plans have also changed a few times for some of those who have been hired since I started 31 years ago.


+1, Teachers still receive SS, but the number of teachers that pull their full VRS benefits is probably less than 20% based on teacher attrition numbers.


What I want to know is what is the ratio of Social security payment compared to VRS


I’m assuming you’re asking about teachers that have worked for 30 years? But as someone who taught for about 10 years, my Social Security will be more than VRS.


Recent retiree here. I looked mine up. My SS estimator shows $2,150 at age 62, $3,053 at age 67, and $3,786 if I delay to age 70.
My VRS is a little over $3k.
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11:14 here.
The VRS number I listed is the net benefit.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how much better the pension is than the social security the rest of us receive.


What do you want to know? I just retired this past June. I’ll draw SS when I’m eligible to do so.

The pension plans have also changed a few times for some of those who have been hired since I started 31 years ago.


+1, Teachers still receive SS, but the number of teachers that pull their full VRS benefits is probably less than 20% based on teacher attrition numbers.


What I want to know is what is the ratio of Social security payment compared to VRS


I’m assuming you’re asking about teachers that have worked for 30 years? But as someone who taught for about 10 years, my Social Security will be more than VRS.


Recent retiree here. I looked mine up. My SS estimator shows $2,150 at age 62, $3,053 at age 67, and $3,786 if I delay to age 70.
My VRS is a little over $3k.


That’s huge! VRS is massive. A little jealous btw.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how much better the pension is than the social security the rest of us receive.


What do you want to know? I just retired this past June. I’ll draw SS when I’m eligible to do so.

The pension plans have also changed a few times for some of those who have been hired since I started 31 years ago.


+1, Teachers still receive SS, but the number of teachers that pull their full VRS benefits is probably less than 20% based on teacher attrition numbers.


What I want to know is what is the ratio of Social security payment compared to VRS


I’m assuming you’re asking about teachers that have worked for 30 years? But as someone who taught for about 10 years, my Social Security will be more than VRS.


Recent retiree here. I looked mine up. My SS estimator shows $2,150 at age 62, $3,053 at age 67, and $3,786 if I delay to age 70.
My VRS is a little over $3k.


That’s huge! VRS is massive. A little jealous btw.


I would assume that the recent retired PP is in the last of the great pension groups. VRS has two newer plans for anyone hired after 2010 -- neither are anywhere near as generous.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how much better the pension is than the social security the rest of us receive.


What do you want to know? I just retired this past June. I’ll draw SS when I’m eligible to do so.

The pension plans have also changed a few times for some of those who have been hired since I started 31 years ago.


+1, Teachers still receive SS, but the number of teachers that pull their full VRS benefits is probably less than 20% based on teacher attrition numbers.


What I want to know is what is the ratio of Social security payment compared to VRS


I’m assuming you’re asking about teachers that have worked for 30 years? But as someone who taught for about 10 years, my Social Security will be more than VRS.


Recent retiree here. I looked mine up. My SS estimator shows $2,150 at age 62, $3,053 at age 67, and $3,786 if I delay to age 70.
My VRS is a little over $3k.


That’s huge! VRS is massive. A little jealous btw.


I would assume that the recent retired PP is in the last of the great pension groups. VRS has two newer plans for anyone hired after 2010 -- neither are anywhere near as generous.


Yes. That was mentioned a few posts back.
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Instructional coaches are the most useless people in schools. Teachers hate them and the only people that get those jobs are people that just want to get out of the classroom. That said, they barely make a dent in the budget.
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