The future of DEI

[Anonymous]

We were instructed to give more easy goals and documented achievements to dei employees. This is a big tech company.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In practice, DEI training effectively tells whites, Latinos, Asians, Middle Easterners, Pacific Islanders and the gazillions of people who are mixed-race that they are "part of the problem." It's effectively a black supremacy movement. For years everyone kept their mouths shut lest they be accused of racism. Instead, DEI training has been met with eye-rolling and resentment for the colossal waste of time that performative virtue signaling always is. Companies are rightfully scrambling to finally get rid of the DEI nonsense. And any company or organization that remains tethered to the DEI time-suck and discriminatory hiring/promotions that goes with it is going to have a hard time attracting talent going forward.

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[Anonymous]

DEI in large corporations can be misguided and suck AND systemic and structural racism can be real. Individuals definitely get negatively caught up in crappy DEI-led decisions just like individuals get negatively caught up in the downstream impacts of structural and systemic racism. And it feels not fair to all those people.

All the things can be true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

The response to your story from someone in the DEI field would be that throughout this you still benefitted from white privilege, which you did.

I get it though. I'm a similar story of low-income white person who improved myself, etc.

You’ve been brainwashed. No one is immune from privilege. If you are an American. Can walk. Are healthy. Have food. A family who loves you, you have something someone else does not. It is NOT limited to race, but these stupid programs aren’t nuanced enough for that kind of reflection.

Stop expecting people to feel bad. Society should not be encouraged to mope around full of guilt and whipping themselves all day. Probably explains the growing number of people offing themselves.

Just try to be nice and decent. And no, not as a mandate.

Ha. I'm not brainwashed. I am smart enough to know this country was built on the backs of free black labor and for generations the systems were set up to hoard wealth and opportunity with white people and the impacts of that are still in place all around us. Why is that hard to understand. Basic history. Implying all Americans have the same level of privilege makes you sound super dumb.

However, I do not think people should mope around full of guilt and whipping themselves all day. I'm a white person with a great life and let's see... zero of the white people I know are doing that so you seem to be worrying about something that's not actually happening.

Life is more complex than you're making it out to be.

Because you care SO much, I’m curious to know how you and you DEI believers have altered your own lives and habits, so you’re not exploiting people of modern day.

Tell me about your diamonds, your meat processed by child labor, the organic fruit and vegetables picked by undocumented workers.

I’m sure all of you are walking poster boards for conscious living. SMH





Point it, you all are full of it. Boring and board.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

The response to your story from someone in the DEI field would be that throughout this you still benefitted from white privilege, which you did.

I get it though. I'm a similar story of low-income white person who improved myself, etc.

You’ve been brainwashed. No one is immune from privilege. If you are an American. Can walk. Are healthy. Have food. A family who loves you, you have something someone else does not. It is NOT limited to race, but these stupid programs aren’t nuanced enough for that kind of reflection.

Stop expecting people to feel bad. Society should not be encouraged to mope around full of guilt and whipping themselves all day. Probably explains the growing number of people offing themselves.

Just try to be nice and decent. And no, not as a mandate.

Ha. I'm not brainwashed. I am smart enough to know this country was built on the backs of free black labor and for generations the systems were set up to hoard wealth and opportunity with white people and the impacts of that are still in place all around us. Why is that hard to understand. Basic history. Implying all Americans have the same level of privilege makes you sound super dumb.

However, I do not think people should mope around full of guilt and whipping themselves all day. I'm a white person with a great life and let's see... zero of the white people I know are doing that so you seem to be worrying about something that's not actually happening.

Life is more complex than you're making it out to be.

Because you care SO much, I’m curious to know how you and you DEI believers have altered your own lives and habits, so you’re not exploiting people of modern day.

Tell me about your diamonds, your meat processed by child labor, the organic fruit and vegetables picked by undocumented workers.

I’m sure all of you are walking poster boards for conscious living. SMH





Point it, you all are full of it. Boring and board.

Boring and bored. Not board.

You're not even responding to any of the content. It's just more babble talking points. It's kind of sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

Should have documented it and sued them

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

You shouldn’t end with “whatevs.” DEI is a sham and needs to go. You have been wronged.

It’s a shame that you understandably feel you needed to share your private background to garner any empathy on this site. I have a similar background and HATE that we have been made to feel like we have to out ourselves.

It’s no one’s business how you grew up, how a person wants to identify or what a person’s bedroom preferences are. When the hell did everyone think they have a right to your privacy?

Bring meritocracy back. DEI initiatives have failed to prove much beyond racially motivated hiring yields chaos and dysfunction. Let me know of a company that is better because of it. I’ll wait.

Are you kidding, white people LOVE trotting these stories out. It's a badge of honor to show they EARNED what they have. Unlike the black people who have managed to find their way into our midst. They are just the product of DEI initiatives.

No, they absolutely don’t. If you think they like it so much, go tell a random group of people a detailed account of that one time you accidentally ate a batch of recalled spinach.

Because you get the same grossed out, confused look when you tip your hand as being an “other.” If you expected congrats to be in store, it’s only because you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Otherness not a special feeling reserved for the POC community. Sorry to poke holes in the sob story.

Maybe your issue is your detailed accounting of your traumas. Being serious. Lots of white people like to give you their cleaned up rough and tumble I earned everything I have story. You must be a guy. So many women have experienced trauma at the hands of men. Only a man would think this shit makes them special and other.

Ma’am, I think you’re revealing your own set of issues.

Point is, DEI makes white people feel like they have to expose hardship to justify feeling bad about experiencing racism-something that is wrong regardless of justification.

Current brainwashed society teaches that a person must experience something bad to deserve empathy/hiring points. It’s abusive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

The response to your story from someone in the DEI field would be that throughout this you still benefitted from white privilege, which you did.

I get it though. I'm a similar story of low-income white person who improved myself, etc.

You’ve been brainwashed. No one is immune from privilege. If you are an American. Can walk. Are healthy. Have food. A family who loves you, you have something someone else does not. It is NOT limited to race, but these stupid programs aren’t nuanced enough for that kind of reflection.

Stop expecting people to feel bad. Society should not be encouraged to mope around full of guilt and whipping themselves all day. Probably explains the growing number of people offing themselves.

Just try to be nice and decent. And no, not as a mandate.

Ha. I'm not brainwashed. I am smart enough to know this country was built on the backs of free black labor and for generations the systems were set up to hoard wealth and opportunity with white people and the impacts of that are still in place all around us. Why is that hard to understand. Basic history. Implying all Americans have the same level of privilege makes you sound super dumb.

However, I do not think people should mope around full of guilt and whipping themselves all day. I'm a white person with a great life and let's see... zero of the white people I know are doing that so you seem to be worrying about something that's not actually happening.

Life is more complex than you're making it out to be.

Because you care SO much, I’m curious to know how you and you DEI believers have altered your own lives and habits, so you’re not exploiting people of modern day.

Tell me about your diamonds, your meat processed by child labor, the organic fruit and vegetables picked by undocumented workers.

I’m sure all of you are walking poster boards for conscious living. SMH





Point it, you all are full of it. Boring and board.

Boring and bored. Not board.

You're not even responding to any of the content. It's just more babble talking points. It's kind of sad.

Again, you’ve failed to self reflect. DEI is great about calling out distant history and pointing fingers, but it’s all performative. Behind HR and radicalizing students, followers aren’t changing behaviors that contribute to modern day oppression. That’s how you know it’s junk.

And you should be sad, especially if you’re short on oppression points.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you will not believe me, but I served in a very high level detail in the federal gov't during 2022-23. As the detail was ending, I had a private exit conversation with a senate-confirmed agency head. When they asked what I was doing next, I replied that I had applied several times over the last few years for an SES role in their agency (and others) and this person said that although I was highly qualified, well known and liked etc., it was "highly likely" that I wasn't invited to interview because I am a white male. I couldn't believe they would actually say this aloud.

FWIW - I was literally abandoned as a teenager, finished high school while living on my own, and put myself through 5 years of undergrad (because I worked full time) and 6 years to get a PhD, also while working outside jobs. Sometimes, there were months on end where I didn't have a day off, but it's because of my skin color and the associated privilege that I was successful. Whatevs.

The response to your story from someone in the DEI field would be that throughout this you still benefitted from white privilege, which you did.

I get it though. I'm a similar story of low-income white person who improved myself, etc.

You’ve been brainwashed. No one is immune from privilege. If you are an American. Can walk. Are healthy. Have food. A family who loves you, you have something someone else does not. It is NOT limited to race, but these stupid programs aren’t nuanced enough for that kind of reflection.

Stop expecting people to feel bad. Society should not be encouraged to mope around full of guilt and whipping themselves all day. Probably explains the growing number of people offing themselves.

Just try to be nice and decent. And no, not as a mandate.

Ha. I'm not brainwashed. I am smart enough to know this country was built on the backs of free black labor and for generations the systems were set up to hoard wealth and opportunity with white people and the impacts of that are still in place all around us. Why is that hard to understand. Basic history. Implying all Americans have the same level of privilege makes you sound super dumb.

However, I do not think people should mope around full of guilt and whipping themselves all day. I'm a white person with a great life and let's see... zero of the white people I know are doing that so you seem to be worrying about something that's not actually happening.

Life is more complex than you're making it out to be.

It's a funny claim and historically wrong because for much of American history blacks were predominately concentrated in the South and in agriculture. They didn't build the railroads, work in the coal mines, staff the factories of the north until well into the 20th century, clear the vast forests of the midwest, break the sod on the prairies, etc cetera.

Black labor definitely played a role in helping create American prosperity but blacks did not "build" the country. If anything, how could they build the country when they effectively weren't allowed to be anything more than the most basic field hand and housemaid for much of American history? Ultimately, America really was built by white people for white people, which ironically is also what a lot of CRT people like to say too without realizing the full extent of their message when they focus about the hostility towards black people (which is also true, white Americans have historically not wanted black people around and resented their presence).

As it is, life is definitely way more complicated than DEI proponents like you want to believe in your delusional woe is me mindset. I'm a historical realist. Not a cherry picker of facts to explain away your personal failures.

But I'll tell you who the real privileged people are these days. The young urban black men who get to run red lights while the police do nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DEI in large corporations can be misguided and suck AND systemic and structural racism can be real. Individuals definitely get negatively caught up in crappy DEI-led decisions just like individuals get negatively caught up in the downstream impacts of structural and systemic racism. And it feels not fair to all those people.

All the things can be true.

+1 OP here. I completely agree.

Is me as a White person being offended by a DEI training, or being passed over for a job because another candidate was similarly qualified and Black, the worst thing in the world? Of course not. The problems DEI is trying to address that mainly impact BIPOC people are much worse than that

But significant amounts of money and time, including taxpayer dollars, are being devoted to these initiatives, and it's all being made up on the fly and often alienating the people that need to buy into it while often putting BIPOC people in positions that become untenable because they are viewed as diversity hires and part of the DEI "stuff" that everyone already rolls their eyes at.

[Anonymous]

My company hired a POC in a DEI initiative and she did not get along with her supervisor (the one who hired her). She eventually quit and accused two seniors of racism, which effectively ended the DEI initiative for any qualified potential hire ever again. It was such an ordeal because of the racism accusation (for which there was no evidence afterwards) that the senior leadership felt it was too much of a headache and stopped hiring POC in that role.

[Anonymous]

I'm Latina and I'm pretty irritated that I haven't benefited from any of this stuff. And, now it's going to go away and my kids won't be able to benefit either. I know we're not the target audience but they at least pay lip service to latinos.

But, of course we don't need it. And, I would hate the feeling of being the minority hire and wondering if I was actually "less than." So, pros and cons.

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Anonymous wrote:it's so hard.

when dh lost his job just before the pandemic, it coincided with the apex of all this and he had multiple interviews for over a year where people said look - you are not a diverse candidate and that counts against you. I think the issue is that DEI has too often been either presented as or misconstrued as an 'at the expense of' situation. which actually runs counter to the entire premise. I dont know the answer but it sucked at the time.

Utter BS

Not this poster, but why do you think this is BS? I work for a large organization and our hiring practice is if all things are equal, hire the diverse candidate. It does count against you not to be a diverse candidate. I can also tell you with certainty it is much more difficult to deal with performance issues with a diverse employee. They will get a lot more chances and a lot more rope than a white person. No one cares if you fire a white person.

The issue (to me) is there are so many environments, systems, and employers where black people genuinely are discriminated against and are treated unfairly. Those persist and then in these more DEI-forward environments, or whatever we want to call it, the pendulum has swung so far the other way it's causing other problems that I believe actually hurt the issue overall in the end.

I was on a call with a large Federal agency last year about increasing diversity in the workplace and was so disgusted. They said that as long as someone meets the minimum qualifications for a position, then hiring managers should be picking the "diverse" candidate. No consideration for the "non-diverse" who have strong qualifications above the minimum such as an advanced degree, extensive experience etc. The message couldn't have been more clear.

[Anonymous]

Raise your non diverse kids to become business owners.

[Anonymous]

It’s alarmingly hard for white guys to get hired for openings right now. Many people will say not hiring white men is progress.