TJ Falls to 14th in the Nation Per US News

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

And despite that TJ still managed to fall to #14 using data from the previous admission system.

Even though freshmen from the new system only accounted for 2 out of 5 evaluation categories LOL

When it was released, changed admissions students did not contribute to 14th ranking at all, now it is 2 categories?

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

And despite that TJ still managed to fall to #14 using data from the previous admission system.

Unfortunately, I believe this factor drove the drop:

“Underserved Student Performance (10%)

This is a measure assessing learning outcomes only among Black, Hispanic and low-income students. This evaluates how well this underserved subgroup scored on state assessments compared with the average for nonunderserved students among schools in the same state. Schools performing above the 50th percentile nationally in this comparison received the highest score, while other schools’ scores decreased the greater the distance between their underserved students and their state’s median for nonunderserved students.

This indicator is in most cases based on 2021-2022 state assessment data. In a few cases, data from earlier years was used. See Methodology Changes in This Year’s Rankings below.”

The years prior to the admission changes showed these groups scoring regularly in the 90% range on SOL Pass Advanced Marks at least far as can be known from VDOE.

After the admissions changes and the data used for the previous ranking, these groups score in the 25-30% Pass Advanced and include a failure or two.

The inclusivity of kids who perform poorly on standardized tests were obviously going to have an impact. Even non-URM SOL scores were also down compared to previous years which is another 20%.

This shouldn’t come as a shock.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

And despite that TJ still managed to fall to #14 using data from the previous admission system.

Unfortunately, I believe this factor drove the drop:

“Underserved Student Performance (10%)

This is a measure assessing learning outcomes only among Black, Hispanic and low-income students. This evaluates how well this underserved subgroup scored on state assessments compared with the average for nonunderserved students among schools in the same state. Schools performing above the 50th percentile nationally in this comparison received the highest score, while other schools’ scores decreased the greater the distance between their underserved students and their state’s median for nonunderserved students.

This indicator is in most cases based on 2021-2022 state assessment data. In a few cases, data from earlier years was used. See Methodology Changes in This Year’s Rankings below.”

The years prior to the admission changes showed these groups scoring regularly in the 90% range on SOL Pass Advanced Marks at least far as can be known from VDOE.

After the admissions changes and the data used for the previous ranking, these groups score in the 25-30% Pass Advanced and include a failure or two.

The inclusivity of kids who perform poorly on standardized tests were obviously going to have an impact. Even non-URM SOL scores were also down compared to previous years which is another 20%.

This shouldn’t come as a shock.

I am sure your equity team will have many more opportunities to celebrate TJ’s ranking in the coming years )))))))

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

And despite that TJ still managed to fall to #14 using data from the previous admission system.

Unfortunately, I believe this factor drove the drop:

“Underserved Student Performance (10%)

This is a measure assessing learning outcomes only among Black, Hispanic and low-income students. This evaluates how well this underserved subgroup scored on state assessments compared with the average for nonunderserved students among schools in the same state. Schools performing above the 50th percentile nationally in this comparison received the highest score, while other schools’ scores decreased the greater the distance between their underserved students and their state’s median for nonunderserved students.

This indicator is in most cases based on 2021-2022 state assessment data. In a few cases, data from earlier years was used. See Methodology Changes in This Year’s Rankings below.”

The years prior to the admission changes showed these groups scoring regularly in the 90% range on SOL Pass Advanced Marks at least far as can be known from VDOE.

After the admissions changes and the data used for the previous ranking, these groups score in the 25-30% Pass Advanced and include a failure or two.

The inclusivity of kids who perform poorly on standardized tests were obviously going to have an impact. Even non-URM SOL scores were also down compared to previous years which is another 20%.

This shouldn’t come as a shock.

Could an admissions test have made sure a meritorious hardworking Underserved student was rightfully admitted instead of a random struggling Underserved student?

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Not exactly. The new process reflects the applicant pool - opening up the admissions process to every middle school broadly increased interest in the school, especially among students who would not otherwise have considered it. That means that the new admissions process succeeded in broadening appeal. Whether that's good or bad may depend on your perspective, but so far, you haven't even considered it. So how can you have an opinon on it?

Interest and appeal doesnt equal qualified. Luckily the changes have removed any semblance of qualification. Experience factors and a 3.5 will get you in at an underrepresented school.

Unfortunately, those students still achieve and score significantly lower than many across the county. So while they are in, it isn’t because the gap was closed but rather, they were given the spots.

And despite that TJ still managed to fall to #14 using data from the previous admission system.

Unfortunately, I believe this factor drove the drop:

“Underserved Student Performance (10%)

This is a measure assessing learning outcomes only among Black, Hispanic and low-income students. This evaluates how well this underserved subgroup scored on state assessments compared with the average for nonunderserved students among schools in the same state. Schools performing above the 50th percentile nationally in this comparison received the highest score, while other schools’ scores decreased the greater the distance between their underserved students and their state’s median for nonunderserved students.

This indicator is in most cases based on 2021-2022 state assessment data. In a few cases, data from earlier years was used. See Methodology Changes in This Year’s Rankings below.”

The years prior to the admission changes showed these groups scoring regularly in the 90% range on SOL Pass Advanced Marks at least far as can be known from VDOE.

After the admissions changes and the data used for the previous ranking, these groups score in the 25-30% Pass Advanced and include a failure or two.

The inclusivity of kids who perform poorly on standardized tests were obviously going to have an impact. Even non-URM SOL scores were also down compared to previous years which is another 20%.

This shouldn’t come as a shock.

Could an admissions test have made sure a meritorious hardworking Underserved student was rightfully admitted instead of a random struggling Underserved student?

Did they ever fix the "low income" category for the class of 2025 derived from the confusing "Free food" checkbox in the application? Recall it was fixed for class of 2026.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

Agree, this poster is blatantly racist and repeat it over and over, from basketball, sneaker, sports… Black is still represented very very small number in TJ but why do they keep attacking them. It is just nauseating and hope this thread just closed down.
From an Asian mom (not “that kind” of Asian).

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

Agree, this poster is blatantly racist and repeat it over and over, from basketball, sneaker, sports… Black is still represented very very small number in TJ but why do they keep attacking them. It is just nauseating and hope this thread just closed down.
From an Asian mom (not “that kind” of Asian).

Nice try, but no one is as big a racist as you are. How many different identities will you assume?
- Black dad.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

Agree, this poster is blatantly racist and repeat it over and over, from basketball, sneaker, sports… Black is still represented very very small number in TJ but why do they keep attacking them. It is just nauseating and hope this thread just closed down.
From an Asian mom (not “that kind” of Asian).

Nice try, but no one is as big a racist as you are. How many different identities will you assume?
- Black dad.

Lol, I am the PP your are replying to. That was actually the first time I post, I followed this thread and yes my kid get into TJ class of 28. We are farms family and thanks for the new admissions. The way some posters attacking black and farms is just mind blowing. We are farms but it doesn’t mean we are less intelligent than you.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

"*African-American or Black Students Receive the Greatest Share of Athletic Scholarships among Minority Students*
Among minority students enrolled in Bachelor’s degree programs, African-American or Black students receive a greater number of athletic scholarships (22.8% in 2007-2008) as compared to other minority groups of students including Asian and Hispanic students. Asian students receive the lowest number of athletic scholarships, 0.1% in 2007-2008. "

Thanks for demonstrating why we need more anti-racist conversations in FCPS.

Much like the comments about Asians in these threads.

Some of the comments about Asian people are gross and I report them. That doesn’t make the comments above ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

You’re such a racist and narrowly minded person to assume that neglecting parents who want their kids to play sports are African Americans. White kids have benefited the more from the new admissions. Their parents are also most vocal in dumping down on TJ’s evaluations and restricting advanced math courses for for kids of other families.

Huh? The PP is pointing out that racist posters frequently post comments about black families/sports/parenting. Look at 16:33. They post crap like that all of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

You’re such a racist and narrowly minded person to assume that neglecting parents who want their kids to play sports are African Americans. White kids have benefited the more from the new admissions. Their parents are also most vocal in dumping down on TJ’s evaluations and restricting advanced math courses for for kids of other families.

Huh? The PP is pointing out that racist posters frequently post comments about black families/sports/parenting. Look at 16:33. They post crap like that all of the time.

I am the OP and I didn't mention anything about races. Automatically associating sports and neglective parenting with African American families is blatantly racist. I would argue that parents of all races who don't want to invest their time in their kids are the most vocal defenders of the current ridiculous admissions system.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

You’re such a racist and narrowly minded person to assume that neglecting parents who want their kids to play sports are African Americans. White kids have benefited the more from the new admissions. Their parents are also most vocal in dumping down on TJ’s evaluations and restricting advanced math courses for for kids of other families.

Huh? The PP is pointing out that racist posters frequently post comments about black families/sports/parenting. Look at 16:33. They post crap like that all of the time.

I am the OP and I didn't mention anything about races. Automatically associating sports and neglective parenting with African American families is blatantly racist. I would argue that parents of all races who don't want to invest their time in their kids are the most vocal defenders of the current ridiculous admissions system.

I am African American, and consider sports and academic achievements to be a sense of pride for all Americans, not just blacks or asians. There have been black mathematicians like Katherine Johnson who have skipped multiple math grades and went to college at 13, and then there have been asian basketball players like Yao Ming who started pro basketball at 13, lot earlier than Lebron James.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

You’re such a racist and narrowly minded person to assume that neglecting parents who want their kids to play sports are African Americans. White kids have benefited the more from the new admissions. Their parents are also most vocal in dumping down on TJ’s evaluations and restricting advanced math courses for for kids of other families.

Huh? The PP is pointing out that racist posters frequently post comments about black families/sports/parenting. Look at 16:33. They post crap like that all of the time.

I am the OP and I didn't mention anything about races. Automatically associating sports and neglective parenting with African American families is blatantly racist. I would argue that parents of all races who don't want to invest their time in their kids are the most vocal defenders of the current ridiculous admissions system.

I am African American, and consider sports and academic achievements to be a sense of pride for all Americans, not just blacks or asians. There have been black mathematicians like Katherine Johnson who have skipped multiple math grades and went to college at 13, and then there have been asian basketball players like Yao Ming who started pro basketball at 13, lot earlier than Lebron James.

And then there's Jeremy Lin, who excels in both math having attended Harvard and basketball having played in the NBA

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

You’re such a racist and narrowly minded person to assume that neglecting parents who want their kids to play sports are African Americans. White kids have benefited the more from the new admissions. Their parents are also most vocal in dumping down on TJ’s evaluations and restricting advanced math courses for for kids of other families.

Huh? The PP is pointing out that racist posters frequently post comments about black families/sports/parenting. Look at 16:33. They post crap like that all of the time.

I am the OP and I didn't mention anything about races. Automatically associating sports and neglective parenting with African American families is blatantly racist. I would argue that parents of all races who don't want to invest their time in their kids are the most vocal defenders of the current ridiculous admissions system.

Again, the racist posters frequently associate black people with sports, sneakers, and bad parenting. Talk to them about why they make the association.

Fortunately, many of those posts get deleted as we report them, including some on this thread. 16:33 is still there though.

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Anonymous wrote:Percent total of Asians will obviously go down, mathematically, because there are many middle schools where there are very few Asians. If more Asians moved to other middle schools instead of primarily concentrating in Rocky Run, Carson, and Cooper, then the Asian percentage will go up again.

Replace "Asians" in your quote with some other races and swap out the school names and then maybe you'll understand how not race-blind the change is. Well, other than the fact that you are choosing to not understand and throwing out statements like this one is the best you can do.

I don't care either way - no interest in sending any of my kids to TJ. But to pretend this change didn't have an agenda they can't admit publicly is asinine.

The changes absolutely had an agenda that they have been very public about admitting - FCPS wanted to open access to TJ to students from all schools within the catchment area and to students from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.

The impact of this has been that now, pretty much any sufficiently motivated student can dream about attending TJ regardless of whether or not they were selected for AAP or ended up within a narrow range or schools.

And the school is fairly obviously better off for it.

Actually, it just shows that their own processes in advanced academics are failing to lift up URMs, so they just resorted to giving spots away. It’s pretty much proof that the county can’t close the achievement gap.

Bring AAP services to all FCPS schools and that will take care of this issue. Can we all agree on that?

Currently, LLIV is rolling out to every elementary school. Before that, every student was evaluated for Level IV at every FCPS school and, if admitted, provided transportation to a center school.

We are agreed.

The problem is from the parents who wanted their kids to focus more on sports and let the Ipads take care of their kids rather than spending time teaching their kids. Now, these parents demand better chances of being admitted to a STEM school for their children than those for kids of families, most are middle-income first-gen immigrants, who always prioritize education and hard work. Although the current admissions process is supporting that demand, it cannot change a child's learning habit and fix many years of parents' negligence.

Where on earth did you get the idea that your "sports families" were the driver of the change in TJ admissions? That's silly. And wrong.

DP - it's pretty simple. They are using Black kids as the boogeyman for everything they're upset with in this case, and in their mind, black kids = sports families.

It's evidence of an uninformed and frankly racist broad worldview, which unfortunately is not that uncommon in this area.

You’re such a racist and narrowly minded person to assume that neglecting parents who want their kids to play sports are African Americans. White kids have benefited the more from the new admissions. Their parents are also most vocal in dumping down on TJ’s evaluations and restricting advanced math courses for for kids of other families.

Huh? The PP is pointing out that racist posters frequently post comments about black families/sports/parenting. Look at 16:33. They post crap like that all of the time.

I am the OP and I didn't mention anything about races. Automatically associating sports and neglective parenting with African American families is blatantly racist. I would argue that parents of all races who don't want to invest their time in their kids are the most vocal defenders of the current ridiculous admissions system.

I am African American, and consider sports and academic achievements to be a sense of pride for all Americans, not just blacks or asians. There have been black mathematicians like Katherine Johnson who have skipped multiple math grades and went to college at 13, and then there have been asian basketball players like Yao Ming who started pro basketball at 13, lot earlier than Lebron James.

And then there's Jeremy Lin, who excels in both math having attended Harvard and basketball having played in the NBA

Linsanity!
Etymology: Blend of Lin +‎ insanity
Noun. Linsanity (US, basketball, slang) Enthusiasm and excitement about the sudden rise of Jeremy Lin (then of the NBA's New York Knicks) to basketball stardom in 2012.