Is the future of higher ed in the South?

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Anonymous wrote:Kids don’t have blinders on anymore. The nation feels smaller than ever. They don’t want crummy weather and lunatic politics. TikTok and instagram display how gorgeous, fun and sunny the South is. Honestly, the northeast and Midwest are cold, dreary, and full of miserable people.

Prime of your life should be spent somewhere fun. Undergrad education is the same anywhere. Go study in the sun.

Except the numbers don’t actually bear this out. Penn State main campus has increased enrollment nearly 50% over the last 10 years, while schools like Clemson and Florida have increased enrollment by 20% and 10%, respectively. Penn State enrollment is up 15,000 students while those two combined are up 7500.

Since Covid and TO (and schools adopting the common app), applications across the board are up 40%.

Again, it’s really the top 150 -200 schools regardless of location that are wildly popular vs all other schools.

Please post all your citations.
DP

Stop being a lazy POS and go look at the CDS for each school above and the time period.

You made the claim, you provide the cite.

It’s DCUM, not some PhD thesis. Go look at the CDS data for the time periods.

There is your citation you dips**t.

DP- You seem really pent up, been awhile?

Not at all…just can’t stand the lazy f**ks that can’t use Google themselves.

DP. First of all, enrollment is meaningless. Most universities have a cap on enrollment. Applications, acceptance rate and yield are what matter.

FWIW, at one point I did look up the increase in *applications* to various schools across the country, and the “apps are up everywhere” is true to some degree, but southeastern schools are up way above the national average, and most northeastern schools are way below. Some, like, Harvard, are even down. You can go use Google and find the data yourself.

Except you have to attend some school…so enrollments matter. Are you trying to argue some theoretical situation where you wanted to go to college in the South but actually ended up attending in the North…that I guess you are just really despondent over that?

Yield rates at a school like Clemson are abysmal…only 14%. Applications to the University if Pittsburgh and UMD have increased nearly as much as Clemson and UTK. Again, go look at the CDS data.

Schools can only “be the future” if they actually enroll these students…or if kids start enrolling in 2nd tier southern schools because they are choosing the South over the North.

This is really just Southern flagships/Power5 schools in the South that are popular…not the rest.

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Anonymous wrote:For female students, the South is pretty dangerous. They'd have very little say in their own healthcare - even in the case of a life-threatening emergency.

For males - it's a little easier. However, my son and his cousin had a conversation the other day about how they think they'd have a hard time going to college in a red state. I was proud of them for really thinking it through. My son is being recruited at many schools in red states. The schools are progressive enough that he'd feel comfortable there and luckily, as a male, he just has more options than his female classmates.

Most girls and women are capable enough to figure out birth control.

+1 Seriously. I can't get over the number of posters here whose top priority seems to be the availability of abortions.

A window into how they run their lives. Bill and then Hillary used to say "safe, legal, and rare" but that's passe. After all, if it's not immoral, why "rare"? Might as well get a quarterly abortion whether you need one or not.

I honestly don't know how to get through to you and your ilk.

And, yes, a lot of our children would be fine in the case of an elective abortion. Which we sure hope our children don't need, but birth control isn't 100% and rapes do happen, as well.

I feel for the women who cannot leave these states, the ones another poster brought up. The situation is horrible and puts these women in peril, and even more so if they lack resources to leave the state.

And of course, my biggest fear - the emergency situations. I don't trust that hospitals in these states will deem something an "emergency" in enough time to actually save a woman suffering ectopic rupture, sepsis, or any number of other life threatening complications that arise.

We should ALL care about these things, but many of you just pretend it will never happen to you or anyone in your family. I thought the Kate Cox situation would wake a lot of you up, but I guess since she didn't die, all is well? SMDH

Still laughing at you.

Right after you shot your puppy in the face in a gravel pit? MAGA is sociopathic. That much has been established. We know you take glee in the pain of others. Many of us don’t understand it. But we do realize that the cruelty is a feature, not a bug.

Meh, not MAGA. You seem like the sociopath. I mean talking about shooting puppies... WTF? Your rants are weird.

Okay Kristi

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:IUDs are the answer to your anxiety about pregnancy. They work for 5-7 years.

Except mine. — PP with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. And when they fail, which they do a certain percentage of the time, you usually get an ectopic. Aka, a condition in need of an immediate abortion

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Anonymous wrote:IUDs are the answer to your anxiety about pregnancy. They work for 5-7 years.

Except mine. — PP with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. And when they fail, which they do a certain percentage of the time, you usually get an ectopic. Aka, a condition in need of an immediate abortion

It’s so ridiculous that people really aren’t grasping this. Which is why it apparently has to happen to someone near and dear to them before it gets through their thick skulls.

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Anonymous wrote:IUDs are the answer to your anxiety about pregnancy. They work for 5-7 years.

Except mine. — PP with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. And when they fail, which they do a certain percentage of the time, you usually get an ectopic. Aka, a condition in need of an immediate abortion

It’s so ridiculous that people really aren’t grasping this. Which is why it apparently has to happen to someone near and dear to them before it gets through their thick skulls.

There is no state law that denies treatment to a woman with an ectopic pregnancy. Also, an ectopic pregnancy is non-viable, so it doesn’t meet the definition of “abortion” in any state that I‘m aware of.

And don’t cite that one Texas case — that was one doctor that *everyone* agrees misread the law.

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Anonymous wrote:For female students, the South is pretty dangerous. They'd have very little say in their own healthcare - even in the case of a life-threatening emergency.

For males - it's a little easier. However, my son and his cousin had a conversation the other day about how they think they'd have a hard time going to college in a red state. I was proud of them for really thinking it through. My son is being recruited at many schools in red states. The schools are progressive enough that he'd feel comfortable there and luckily, as a male, he just has more options than his female classmates.

Most girls and women are capable enough to figure out birth control.

+1 Seriously. I can't get over the number of posters here whose top priority seems to be the availability of abortions.

A window into how they run their lives. Bill and then Hillary used to say "safe, legal, and rare" but that's passe. After all, if it's not immoral, why "rare"? Might as well get a quarterly abortion whether you need one or not.

I honestly don't know how to get through to you and your ilk.

And, yes, a lot of our children would be fine in the case of an elective abortion. Which we sure hope our children don't need, but birth control isn't 100% and rapes do happen, as well.

I feel for the women who cannot leave these states, the ones another poster brought up. The situation is horrible and puts these women in peril, and even more so if they lack resources to leave the state.

And of course, my biggest fear - the emergency situations. I don't trust that hospitals in these states will deem something an "emergency" in enough time to actually save a woman suffering ectopic rupture, sepsis, or any number of other life threatening complications that arise.

We should ALL care about these things, but many of you just pretend it will never happen to you or anyone in your family. I thought the Kate Cox situation would wake a lot of you up, but I guess since she didn't die, all is well? SMDH

Still laughing at you.

Right after you shot your puppy in the face in a gravel pit? MAGA is sociopathic. That much has been established. We know you take glee in the pain of others. Many of us don’t understand it. But we do realize that the cruelty is a feature, not a bug.

Meh, not MAGA. You seem like the sociopath. I mean talking about shooting puppies... WTF? Your rants are weird.

Okay Kristi

What, whois Kristi? You are a strange individual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IUDs are the answer to your anxiety about pregnancy. They work for 5-7 years.

Except mine. — PP with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. And when they fail, which they do a certain percentage of the time, you usually get an ectopic. Aka, a condition in need of an immediate abortion

It’s so ridiculous that people really aren’t grasping this. Which is why it apparently has to happen to someone near and dear to them before it gets through their thick skulls.

There is no state law that denies treatment to a woman with an ectopic pregnancy. Also, an ectopic pregnancy is non-viable, so it doesn’t meet the definition of “abortion” in any state that I‘m aware of.

And don’t cite that one Texas case — that was one doctor that *everyone* agrees misread the law.

I’m not taking chances on doctors “reading” things as we hope.

And you tell me how a woman leaking amniotic fluid, which leads to sepsis, isn’t sick enough for the state of TX?

I’m sorry, but this is an incredibly dangerous game we’re playing with women’s health

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Anonymous wrote:IUDs are the answer to your anxiety about pregnancy. They work for 5-7 years.

Except mine. — PP with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. And when they fail, which they do a certain percentage of the time, you usually get an ectopic. Aka, a condition in need of an immediate abortion

It’s so ridiculous that people really aren’t grasping this. Which is why it apparently has to happen to someone near and dear to them before it gets through their thick skulls.

There is no state law that denies treatment to a woman with an ectopic pregnancy. Also, an ectopic pregnancy is non-viable, so it doesn’t meet the definition of “abortion” in any state that I‘m aware of.

And don’t cite that one Texas case — that was one doctor that *everyone* agrees misread the law.

Exactly. The ectopic pregnancy trope is a red herring. One deliberately, willfully ignorant Texas doctor does not a pattern make.

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It’s taken almost 160 years but the South is once again on an upward swing.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s taken almost 160 years but the South is once again on an upward swing.

^Exactly. This is where Reconstruction would have gotten us sooner if it hadn't been abandoned. Every Yankee should be happy that hearts and minds are finally being won.

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Anonymous wrote:IUDs are the answer to your anxiety about pregnancy. They work for 5-7 years.

Except mine. — PP with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. And when they fail, which they do a certain percentage of the time, you usually get an ectopic. Aka, a condition in need of an immediate abortion

It’s so ridiculous that people really aren’t grasping this. Which is why it apparently has to happen to someone near and dear to them before it gets through their thick skulls.

There is no state law that denies treatment to a woman with an ectopic pregnancy. Also, an ectopic pregnancy is non-viable, so it doesn’t meet the definition of “abortion” in any state that I‘m aware of.

And don’t cite that one Texas case — that was one doctor that *everyone* agrees misread the law.

Many ectopic pregnancies have a heart beats at 6-8 weeks and terminating them absolutely meets the medical definition of an elective abortion. And that is how it is entered into a woman’s medical record. Some states carve out executions, because they are never viable. But many states make women carry nonviable pregnancies to term. And under some state laws—most recently the AZ law— that only make elections for a woman’s life being in imminent danger, you cannot terminate one with medication at six weeks when it is discovered. You must wait for the fetus to die— when usually happens when the tube ruptures. Because a woman’s life isn’t in danger until then, and gosh scan it— see that heartbeat. Although any sane woman orders medication online or goes out of state.

Does this seems crazy? It is! It’s also why so many women are so angry and scared. In some states you have to lose your tube (aka your fertility) and plas your life in significant jeopardy for a pregnancy with no hope of survival. And many ectopics are wanted. And carrying them cuts your fertility in half (on tube gone)— or worse.

It is 100% crazy. It is also the law in some states. And soon to be the law in AZ.

The abortion drug case before SCOTUS? That’s the medication you take to end an ectopic pregnancy without losing a tube. And the right wants to make it illegal to access— to force women to undergo surgery and lose a tube instead of taking a pill and miscarrying at home.

It. Is. Insane.

And yet, you prattle on about it not being abortion. You might make a personal ethical distinction (the only good abortion is my abortion). But medically and legally? It’s an abortion. If you don’t like that, tell AZ and the other nutso states to mak an exception to their insane abortion laws.

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Anonymous wrote:IUDs are the answer to your anxiety about pregnancy. They work for 5-7 years.

Except mine. — PP with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. And when they fail, which they do a certain percentage of the time, you usually get an ectopic. Aka, a condition in need of an immediate abortion

It’s so ridiculous that people really aren’t grasping this. Which is why it apparently has to happen to someone near and dear to them before it gets through their thick skulls.

You would think. And yet, my own mother is hardcore Catholic. Who was very upset that I had an “abortion” and thus would automatically go to hell, and she wouldn’t see her in the afterlife— until she talked to her priest, who assured her that in my case, it “didn't really count” and “God would understand”. She then assured me of this. And I told her not so nicely what the Catholic Church could do with its opinions about my reproductive healthcare. And I’m no longer Catholic. But she kept protesting Planned Parenthood after that.

We don’t have much of a relationship anymore. I just can’t with some who had to ask her priest if doctors saving my life was okay (and I didn’t sign the forms— my husband did— I wasn’t conscious at that point, but somehow in her eye I might still be morally culpable).

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Anonymous wrote:IUDs are the answer to your anxiety about pregnancy. They work for 5-7 years.

Except mine. — PP with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. And when they fail, which they do a certain percentage of the time, you usually get an ectopic. Aka, a condition in need of an immediate abortion

It’s so ridiculous that people really aren’t grasping this. Which is why it apparently has to happen to someone near and dear to them before it gets through their thick skulls.

You would think. And yet, my own mother is hardcore Catholic. Who was very upset that I had an “abortion” and thus would automatically go to hell, and she wouldn’t see her in the afterlife— until she talked to her priest, who assured her that in my case, it “didn't really count” and “God would understand”. She then assured me of this. And I told her not so nicely what the Catholic Church could do with its opinions about my reproductive healthcare. And I’m no longer Catholic. But she kept protesting Planned Parenthood after that.

We don’t have much of a relationship anymore. I just can’t with some who had to ask her priest if doctors saving my life was okay (and I didn’t sign the forms— my husband did— I wasn’t conscious at that point, but somehow in her eye I might still be morally culpable).

Ugh. I’m so sorry. One of a million reasons I am no longer Catholic…or practicing any religion, for that matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IUDs are the answer to your anxiety about pregnancy. They work for 5-7 years.

Except mine. — PP with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. And when they fail, which they do a certain percentage of the time, you usually get an ectopic. Aka, a condition in need of an immediate abortion

It’s so ridiculous that people really aren’t grasping this. Which is why it apparently has to happen to someone near and dear to them before it gets through their thick skulls.

There is no state law that denies treatment to a woman with an ectopic pregnancy. Also, an ectopic pregnancy is non-viable, so it doesn’t meet the definition of “abortion” in any state that I‘m aware of.

And don’t cite that one Texas case — that was one doctor that *everyone* agrees misread the law.

Some of us know that doctors in random ERs do not have lawyers standing around giving the one true legally agreed upon interpretation of a badly written law that will ensure that the doctor (in these crazy, up-the-ante-against-abortion times) will not suffer consequences. Use your head. And if you're willing to take a chance on your daughter or someone else you love, shame on you.

And to the person who claimed IUDs were the answer, you really need to do some research into the medical realities of birth control and the variety of circumstances that can lead to an unplanned pregnancy.