Is it too early to talk about The Last Jedi (spoilers)?

[Anonymous]

The only new character from this movie who left me wanting more was the theif.

Everyone else had no emotional connection.

I wish Finn was used better in this film. I really like his character but his storyline seemed so disjointed from the rest of the characters.

I also felt like Poe was a cameo type role.

There were too many irrelevant new characters focused on.

[Anonymous]

The movie was just so disconnected, not creative, and thoughtless. In fact, all of the positives it included, ie the broader diversity, are actually undermined by the ham-fisted manner in which there were shoe horned into the movie. This movie could have included new and different characters while also touching on the necessary amount of continuity, and included a
a few surprises. It would have required some more hard work and a good bit of creativity but it was possible. (A different writer perhaps) The proof is that Rogue One achieved that mark. This one did not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

This is so gross. This is the message we want to send to our daughters? Yes, he's a genocidal maniac, but your love can save him! Yuck.

And no, Luke and Vader are not the same. A familial connection is one thing, but a romance-- no. The trope of a good woman saving the angry and broken man needs to die. It's damaging.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

This is so gross. This is the message we want to send to our daughters? Yes, he's a genocidal maniac, but your love can save him! Yuck.

And no, Luke and Vader are not the same. A familial connection is one thing, but a romance-- no. The trope of a good woman saving the angry and broken man needs to die. It's damaging.

The entire Star Wars saga is about redemption. If you can't see any room for Kylo Ren to be redeemed, you don't understand Star Wars at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

This is so gross. This is the message we want to send to our daughters? Yes, he's a genocidal maniac, but your love can save him! Yuck.

And no, Luke and Vader are not the same. A familial connection is one thing, but a romance-- no. The trope of a good woman saving the angry and broken man needs to die. It's damaging.

The entire Star Wars saga is about redemption. If you can't see any room for Kylo Ren to be redeemed, you don't understand Star Wars at all.

One further thought, don't forget that they had talked about how Episode IX was going to be Leia's movie, and it's possible that Leia, and not Rey, was originally intended to be the source of Kylo's redemption. Parent-child relationships are also a prominent theme of Star Wars, and this would flip the Luke/Vader redemption story on its head. But now that Carrie Fisher has passed and there will be no more Leia, the only surviving character with a relationship with Kylo that could possibly lead to his redemption is Rey.

[Anonymous]

There are petitions online to get rid of this movie from cannon and some other petitions, don't know exactly for what. Some are getting signatures by the second. And then there are news and critics trying to explain to"audience" why we don't like the movie. Not only that news are ridiculing people who are starting these petitions. It is mimicking our political system, ironically. If you don't like the movie, you are old, stupid and stuck on what you wanted to see. If one "dumb" petition has almost 25k signatures in less than two days, how many people around the world disliked the movie truly? It is like how Mark Hamill said, "it doesn't have to be a good movie, it just has to make a lot of money."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

This is so gross. This is the message we want to send to our daughters? Yes, he's a genocidal maniac, but your love can save him! Yuck.

And no, Luke and Vader are not the same. A familial connection is one thing, but a romance-- no. The trope of a good woman saving the angry and broken man needs to die. It's damaging.

The entire Star Wars saga is about redemption. If you can't see any room for Kylo Ren to be redeemed, you don't understand Star Wars at all.

There is a huge difference between redemption and getting the girl in the end. It's unfortunate you can't see that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

This is so gross. This is the message we want to send to our daughters? Yes, he's a genocidal maniac, but your love can save him! Yuck.

And no, Luke and Vader are not the same. A familial connection is one thing, but a romance-- no. The trope of a good woman saving the angry and broken man needs to die. It's damaging.

The entire Star Wars saga is about redemption. If you can't see any room for Kylo Ren to be redeemed, you don't understand Star Wars at all.

One further thought, don't forget that they had talked about how Episode IX was going to be Leia's movie, and it's possible that Leia, and not Rey, was originally intended to be the source of Kylo's redemption. Parent-child relationships are also a prominent theme of Star Wars, and this would flip the Luke/Vader redemption story on its head. But now that Carrie Fisher has passed and there will be no more Leia, the only surviving character with a relationship with Kylo that could possibly lead to his redemption is Rey.

How about Kylo saves his own damn self?

I'm not sure why redemption means that he gets the girl.

Let's say Darth Vader didn't die at the end of Return of the Jedi. He's "redeemed" so he doesn't face any consequences? He just gets to be Dad and live in Han and Leia's basement? I don't think so.

Sorry, but a romance between Kylo and Rey is really, really gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are petitions online to get rid of this movie from cannon and some other petitions, don't know exactly for what. Some are getting signatures by the second. And then there are news and critics trying to explain to"audience" why we don't like the movie. Not only that news are ridiculing people who are starting these petitions. It is mimicking our political system, ironically. If you don't like the movie, you are old, stupid and stuck on what you wanted to see. If one "dumb" petition has almost 25k signatures in less than two days, how many people around the world disliked the movie truly? It is like how Mark Hamill said, "it doesn't have to be a good movie, it just has to make a lot of money."

Well, I think the petitions are pretty silly, but the reason it's gaining traction in the news is nothing but Disney PR. It helps them to make out anyone who didn't like the movie to be some crackpot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

This is so gross. This is the message we want to send to our daughters? Yes, he's a genocidal maniac, but your love can save him! Yuck.

And no, Luke and Vader are not the same. A familial connection is one thing, but a romance-- no. The trope of a good woman saving the angry and broken man needs to die. It's damaging.

The entire Star Wars saga is about redemption. If you can't see any room for Kylo Ren to be redeemed, you don't understand Star Wars at all.

One further thought, don't forget that they had talked about how Episode IX was going to be Leia's movie, and it's possible that Leia, and not Rey, was originally intended to be the source of Kylo's redemption. Parent-child relationships are also a prominent theme of Star Wars, and this would flip the Luke/Vader redemption story on its head. But now that Carrie Fisher has passed and there will be no more Leia, the only surviving character with a relationship with Kylo that could possibly lead to his redemption is Rey.

How about Kylo saves his own damn self?

I'm not sure why redemption means that he gets the girl.

Let's say Darth Vader didn't die at the end of Return of the Jedi. He's "redeemed" so he doesn't face any consequences? He just gets to be Dad and live in Han and Leia's basement? I don't think so.

Sorry, but a romance between Kylo and Rey is really, really gross.

You remember you're talking about a movie, right? This sounds like something you'd be better served to work out in therapy.

[Anonymous]

I was so happy to spend time again--for the last time obviously--with the Luke and Leia characters, I wasn't in the mood to be overly critical. That said, I feel no real connection to the next generation of characters, and won't be rushing to see any future installments. There's little left of the charm and wonder of the original trilogy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

This is so gross. This is the message we want to send to our daughters? Yes, he's a genocidal maniac, but your love can save him! Yuck.

And no, Luke and Vader are not the same. A familial connection is one thing, but a romance-- no. The trope of a good woman saving the angry and broken man needs to die. It's damaging.

The entire Star Wars saga is about redemption. If you can't see any room for Kylo Ren to be redeemed, you don't understand Star Wars at all.

One further thought, don't forget that they had talked about how Episode IX was going to be Leia's movie, and it's possible that Leia, and not Rey, was originally intended to be the source of Kylo's redemption. Parent-child relationships are also a prominent theme of Star Wars, and this would flip the Luke/Vader redemption story on its head. But now that Carrie Fisher has passed and there will be no more Leia, the only surviving character with a relationship with Kylo that could possibly lead to his redemption is Rey.

How about Kylo saves his own damn self?

I'm not sure why redemption means that he gets the girl.

Let's say Darth Vader didn't die at the end of Return of the Jedi. He's "redeemed" so he doesn't face any consequences? He just gets to be Dad and live in Han and Leia's basement? I don't think so.

Sorry, but a romance between Kylo and Rey is really, really gross.

You remember you're talking about a movie, right? This sounds like something you'd be better served to work out in therapy.

Ah, I see. The "but actually, you're just crazy" argument.

Lazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

This is so gross. This is the message we want to send to our daughters? Yes, he's a genocidal maniac, but your love can save him! Yuck.

And no, Luke and Vader are not the same. A familial connection is one thing, but a romance-- no. The trope of a good woman saving the angry and broken man needs to die. It's damaging.

The entire Star Wars saga is about redemption. If you can't see any room for Kylo Ren to be redeemed, you don't understand Star Wars at all.

One further thought, don't forget that they had talked about how Episode IX was going to be Leia's movie, and it's possible that Leia, and not Rey, was originally intended to be the source of Kylo's redemption. Parent-child relationships are also a prominent theme of Star Wars, and this would flip the Luke/Vader redemption story on its head. But now that Carrie Fisher has passed and there will be no more Leia, the only surviving character with a relationship with Kylo that could possibly lead to his redemption is Rey.

How about Kylo saves his own damn self?

I'm not sure why redemption means that he gets the girl.

Let's say Darth Vader didn't die at the end of Return of the Jedi. He's "redeemed" so he doesn't face any consequences? He just gets to be Dad and live in Han and Leia's basement? I don't think so.

Sorry, but a romance between Kylo and Rey is really, really gross.

You remember you're talking about a movie, right? This sounds like something you'd be better served to work out in therapy.

Ah, I see. The "but actually, you're just crazy" argument.

Lazy.

It was actually sincere. The intensity of your rage over a movie is troubling, I hope you can work through whatever is underlying that and be happy.

[Anonymous]

Tonight was my 6th time watching this damn movie. I've never done that. I've watched a few twice at the theater, then felt like it was a waste of time and money after. Not here.

Like a pp stated, Star Wars is about redemption and yup, I can see Kylo Ren being redeemed. Really hoping it goes in that direction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed the movie but it was far from perfect. Carrie Fisher's passing gave the movie a little more gravity than what it would have had otherwise.

It was kind of a weird ending with no real clues to what will happen in the next installment or even what we might have to look forward to. I like the theme that the existence of the Resistence gives people/children hope. But the rebels have been nearly destroyed that it seems like some large group will need to come out of nowhere to help rebuild.

I did think it was cool how the scene with Ray, Ben/Kylo Ren, Snoke so clearly paralleled the scene with Luke, Vader, and the Emppero

"We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."

Rey won't be able to destroy Kylo Ren for the part of him she hates, she'll try to save him for the part of him she loves.

This is so gross. This is the message we want to send to our daughters? Yes, he's a genocidal maniac, but your love can save him! Yuck.

And no, Luke and Vader are not the same. A familial connection is one thing, but a romance-- no. The trope of a good woman saving the angry and broken man needs to die. It's damaging.

The entire Star Wars saga is about redemption. If you can't see any room for Kylo Ren to be redeemed, you don't understand Star Wars at all.

One further thought, don't forget that they had talked about how Episode IX was going to be Leia's movie, and it's possible that Leia, and not Rey, was originally intended to be the source of Kylo's redemption. Parent-child relationships are also a prominent theme of Star Wars, and this would flip the Luke/Vader redemption story on its head. But now that Carrie Fisher has passed and there will be no more Leia, the only surviving character with a relationship with Kylo that could possibly lead to his redemption is Rey.

How about Kylo saves his own damn self?

I'm not sure why redemption means that he gets the girl.

Let's say Darth Vader didn't die at the end of Return of the Jedi. He's "redeemed" so he doesn't face any consequences? He just gets to be Dad and live in Han and Leia's basement? I don't think so.

Sorry, but a romance between Kylo and Rey is really, really gross.

No man is an island. Remember the Force, an energy that binds all together all living things? It's a key part of Star Wars that we are all bound to each other, and it's those connections that bring light into the universe. After all, every time we see someone decide to go it alone, that's when they find themselves tempted by or succumbing to the Dark Side. And no one comes back from the Dark Side alone, they come back to it through their connections to other people. In RotJ, when Luke was on the brink of turning during his battle with Vader, and it was seeing Vader's severed hand and the reminder it was of Vader's humanity, Luke's humanity via his own severed hand, and the common bond between them as father and son that brought him back from the Dark Side.

So if Kylo is going to be redeemed, it will be via his connections to other people who don't see him as irredeemable. Han and Luke are dead, Leia (however they resolve her story) won't be there, the only other character he has a connection to is Rey. So it has to be her. I don't know what other possibility you see that wouldn't violate the essence of Star Wars.