Waitlisted at Virginia Tech 😑 . Question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:VT does not yield protect. I know some.people want to use this as an excuse for their kids not getting in, but that does not make it true. VT will definitely reject/waitlist a "high stats" kid that does not take the time to appropriately answer their 4 short essay questions. The 20:57 PP on page 2, for example, does not take the time to proofread their posts. Perhaps their essays were also riddled with grammatical errors.

It didn't take long for the "VT does not yield protect" crowd to show up, did it?

You are wrong. Regardless of what their policy says, they do yield protect (or yield manage). Otherwise, you cannot explain the number of otherwise qualified kids that get waitlisted here but got into several other similar or higher ranked schools. Tech (along with NEU and UF) were safeties for my kid (a couple of years ago). He was waitlisted at Tech but got into the other two. I read all his essays and they were all of the same calibre. I may be biased about my kid's writing, but not so on a relative basis. We also know multiple kids that year and since with similar outcomes - didn't get into Tech, but did at higher ranked, more selective, schools. Can't explain that with "oh, they wrote poor essays because they were thinking it was a safety". No one does that.

Yield management is not the same thing as yield protection.

Yield management - 5000 highly qualified candidates apply but you have only 1000 slots. You make offers to ~1200 because you have data that shows ~20% will decline. You pick the 1200 by best guess as to good match based on the application.

Yield protection - 5000 highly qualified candidates apply, but you toss out the top 500 because you think they are overqualified and won’t accept even if offered admission. Then you select from the rest.

Every school has to manage yield. The more uncertainty in the process overall, the more they have to use the waitlist, because they can’t risk over enrollment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT does not yield protect. I know some.people want to use this as an excuse for their kids not getting in, but that does not make it true. VT will definitely reject/waitlist a "high stats" kid that does not take the time to appropriately answer their 4 short essay questions. The 20:57 PP on page 2, for example, does not take the time to proofread their posts. Perhaps their essays were also riddled with grammatical errors.

It didn't take long for the "VT does not yield protect" crowd to show up, did it?

You are wrong. Regardless of what their policy says, they do yield protect (or yield manage). Otherwise, you cannot explain the number of otherwise qualified kids that get waitlisted here but got into several other similar or higher ranked schools. Tech (along with NEU and UF) were safeties for my kid (a couple of years ago). He was waitlisted at Tech but got into the other two. I read all his essays and they were all of the same calibre. I may be biased about my kid's writing, but not so on a relative basis. We also know multiple kids that year and since with similar outcomes - didn't get into Tech, but did at higher ranked, more selective, schools. Can't explain that with "oh, they wrote poor essays because they were thinking it was a safety". No one does that.

Your kid did not get into VT, and I understand that made you sad/angry. You can't fathom that institutional priorities are a factor, and VT had so many highly qualified applicants that they can pick and choose among them to fill their priority buckets. So you decide to falsely proclaim that your kid was waitlisted because of yield protection. I suppose you are welcome to think/say it, but that does not make it true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It amazes me that people actually consider VT a safety and just assume they’ll get in. Pretty arrogant.

A bunch of kids, many of whom got into HYPSM and other top 10 schools, were all waitlisted from our school. They do consider it as a safety. Cannot blame them.

Case in point ^^. If you consider a school a "safety," but then don't get in... it's not a safety.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this is relevant, but I was waitlisted at VT with a 4.5 weighted gpa (4.0 UW). I am ranked number one in my class, captain of 2 varsity sports team, and founder of the only student-led club in my school. This was my safety school and this decision came as a devastating surprise. At the time of the decision (it was the first to come out) I was terrified I would not get into a single school. Now, 2 months later I have been accepted into UVA, Notre Dame, William & Mary, and Georgetown. I was waitlisted at UPenn and Duke as well. Still, my waitlist from VT deeply upsets me. Does anyone know why this happened?

Your supplemental essays were probably not very good. VT cares a lot about the answers to those 4 questions. If not that, then perhaps you are a lying troll?

Yield protection most likely. A bunch of very high stat kids from our HS are waitlisted at V Tech the last couple of years. Most view it as a safety however and have no intention of attending. I think V Tech just wised up to this fact. Just unfortunate. Cannot blame the school or kids, just the whole ratings game that needs to be played.

Happened to my kid.

In at places several top 10 schools, waitlisted at VT which should have been a safety.

It sucks, because the Virginia waitlists to multiple schools completely wrecked out plans for attending in state universities.

Yes, my kid gets to go to a much higher ranked school than VT, but financially, we c9mpletely lose out because the plan and the years of work were focused on in state tuition.

I wish the schools would not play these games, and would just use an objective admissions metric like the SAT.

The arrogance of this post is something else! "Should have been a safety"? Your kid isn't owed admission to ANY school.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Are your parents college graduates? Since 2022, VA tech has had a goal of 40% of its students being the first in their family to go to college. For programs like engineering and business, this makes it more competitive than other schools if your parents graduated college.

Not saying they’re the only school that does this, but it definitely has an impact.

Almost every single university now has this same goal - VT is just completely transparent about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this is relevant, but I was waitlisted at VT with a 4.5 weighted gpa (4.0 UW). I am ranked number one in my class, captain of 2 varsity sports team, and founder of the only student-led club in my school. This was my safety school and this decision came as a devastating surprise. At the time of the decision (it was the first to come out) I was terrified I would not get into a single school. Now, 2 months later I have been accepted into UVA, Notre Dame, William & Mary, and Georgetown. I was waitlisted at UPenn and Duke as well. Still, my waitlist from VT deeply upsets me. Does anyone know why this happened?

Your supplemental essays were probably not very good. VT cares a lot about the answers to those 4 questions. If not that, then perhaps you are a lying troll?

Yield protection most likely. A bunch of very high stat kids from our HS are waitlisted at V Tech the last couple of years. Most view it as a safety however and have no intention of attending. I think V Tech just wised up to this fact. Just unfortunate. Cannot blame the school or kids, just the whole ratings game that needs to be played.

Happened to my kid.

In at places several top 10 schools, waitlisted at VT which should have been a safety.

It sucks, because the Virginia waitlists to multiple schools completely wrecked out plans for attending in state universities.

Yes, my kid gets to go to a much higher ranked school than VT, but financially, we c9mpletely lose out because the plan and the years of work were focused on in state tuition.

I wish the schools would not play these games, and would just use an objective admissions metric like the SAT.

If an in-state school at which your kid was waitlisted was really their #1 choice, did they subsequently inform the school that if accepted, they would definitely attend? That can often work for kids with stats way above the median for the school. And if they didn't do this, why not? Also, why apply to several top 10 schools if you wanted to pay in-state tutition?

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this is relevant, but I was waitlisted at VT with a 4.5 weighted gpa (4.0 UW). I am ranked number one in my class, captain of 2 varsity sports team, and founder of the only student-led club in my school. This was my safety school and this decision came as a devastating surprise. At the time of the decision (it was the first to come out) I was terrified I would not get into a single school. Now, 2 months later I have been accepted into UVA, Notre Dame, William & Mary, and Georgetown. I was waitlisted at UPenn and Duke as well. Still, my waitlist from VT deeply upsets me. Does anyone know why this happened?

Your supplemental essays were probably not very good. VT cares a lot about the answers to those 4 questions. If not that, then perhaps you are a lying troll?

Yield protection most likely. A bunch of very high stat kids from our HS are waitlisted at V Tech the last couple of years. Most view it as a safety however and have no intention of attending. I think V Tech just wised up to this fact. Just unfortunate. Cannot blame the school or kids, just the whole ratings game that needs to be played.

Personally, I think this is why VT should reinstate the ED. I know ED can be disadvantageous for certain people, but there are many high-stat Virginia kids whose first choice is VT.

DP. Absolutely agree. The posters on this thread have clearly stated that VT was a "safety" for their kid (or so they thought), so I don't have a whole lot of sympathy. But ED clearly signals that the school is your FIRST choice. It's a wonderful tool and I hope they reinstate it. Otherwise, they won't have any idea who truly wants to go there and who thinks they are entitled to an acceptance even though they have no intention of going.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT does not yield protect. I know some.people want to use this as an excuse for their kids not getting in, but that does not make it true. VT will definitely reject/waitlist a "high stats" kid that does not take the time to appropriately answer their 4 short essay questions. The 20:57 PP on page 2, for example, does not take the time to proofread their posts. Perhaps their essays were also riddled with grammatical errors.

Do you have any factual data to support that or you just talking nonsense?

Your post very much and too many nonsense. Post very stupid, no understand.

DP. VT states very clearly on their website that they do *not* yield protect. They can't accept everyone who applies, as much as some of you think they are owed an acceptance.

Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection.
https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT does not yield protect. I know some.people want to use this as an excuse for their kids not getting in, but that does not make it true. VT will definitely reject/waitlist a "high stats" kid that does not take the time to appropriately answer their 4 short essay questions. The 20:57 PP on page 2, for example, does not take the time to proofread their posts. Perhaps their essays were also riddled with grammatical errors.

It didn't take long for the "VT does not yield protect" crowd to show up, did it?

You are wrong. Regardless of what their policy says, they do yield protect (or yield manage). Otherwise, you cannot explain the number of otherwise qualified kids that get waitlisted here but got into several other similar or higher ranked schools. Tech (along with NEU and UF) were safeties for my kid (a couple of years ago). He was waitlisted at Tech but got into the other two. I read all his essays and they were all of the same calibre. I may be biased about my kid's writing, but not so on a relative basis. We also know multiple kids that year and since with similar outcomes - didn't get into Tech, but did at higher ranked, more selective, schools. Can't explain that with "oh, they wrote poor essays because they were thinking it was a safety". No one does that.

DP. So this was when VT still had ED. Did your kid apply ED? Obviously not if he was using it as a "safety." So what's the issue? Why do you feel he was entitled to an acceptance? He was competing against thousands of other highly qualified kids. He wasn't owed a space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT does not yield protect. I know some.people want to use this as an excuse for their kids not getting in, but that does not make it true. VT will definitely reject/waitlist a "high stats" kid that does not take the time to appropriately answer their 4 short essay questions. The 20:57 PP on page 2, for example, does not take the time to proofread their posts. Perhaps their essays were also riddled with grammatical errors.

It didn't take long for the "VT does not yield protect" crowd to show up, did it?

You are wrong. Regardless of what their policy says, they do yield protect (or yield manage). Otherwise, you cannot explain the number of otherwise qualified kids that get waitlisted here but got into several other similar or higher ranked schools. Tech (along with NEU and UF) were safeties for my kid (a couple of years ago). He was waitlisted at Tech but got into the other two. I read all his essays and they were all of the same calibre. I may be biased about my kid's writing, but not so on a relative basis. We also know multiple kids that year and since with similar outcomes - didn't get into Tech, but did at higher ranked, more selective, schools. Can't explain that with "oh, they wrote poor essays because they were thinking it was a safety". No one does that.

Yield management is not the same thing as yield protection.

Yield management - 5000 highly qualified candidates apply but you have only 1000 slots. You make offers to ~1200 because you have data that shows ~20% will decline. You pick the 1200 by best guess as to good match based on the application.

Yield protection - 5000 highly qualified candidates apply, but you toss out the top 500 because you think they are overqualified and won’t accept even if offered admission. Then you select from the rest.

Every school has to manage yield. The more uncertainty in the process overall, the more they have to use the waitlist, because they can’t risk over enrollment.

+100
Precisely. Every selective school practices yield *management.* It's beyond naive to claim otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT does not yield protect. I know some.people want to use this as an excuse for their kids not getting in, but that does not make it true. VT will definitely reject/waitlist a "high stats" kid that does not take the time to appropriately answer their 4 short essay questions. The 20:57 PP on page 2, for example, does not take the time to proofread their posts. Perhaps their essays were also riddled with grammatical errors.

It didn't take long for the "VT does not yield protect" crowd to show up, did it?

You are wrong. Regardless of what their policy says, they do yield protect (or yield manage). Otherwise, you cannot explain the number of otherwise qualified kids that get waitlisted here but got into several other similar or higher ranked schools. Tech (along with NEU and UF) were safeties for my kid (a couple of years ago). He was waitlisted at Tech but got into the other two. I read all his essays and they were all of the same calibre. I may be biased about my kid's writing, but not so on a relative basis. We also know multiple kids that year and since with similar outcomes - didn't get into Tech, but did at higher ranked, more selective, schools. Can't explain that with "oh, they wrote poor essays because they were thinking it was a safety". No one does that.

Your kid did not get into VT, and I understand that made you sad/angry. You can't fathom that institutional priorities are a factor, and VT had so many highly qualified applicants that they can pick and choose among them to fill their priority buckets. So you decide to falsely proclaim that your kid was waitlisted because of yield protection. I suppose you are welcome to think/say it, but that does not make it true.

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It's always the parents who think their kids were somehow more deserving than others who will claim "yield protection" to save face.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT does not yield protect. I know some.people want to use this as an excuse for their kids not getting in, but that does not make it true. VT will definitely reject/waitlist a "high stats" kid that does not take the time to appropriately answer their 4 short essay questions. The 20:57 PP on page 2, for example, does not take the time to proofread their posts. Perhaps their essays were also riddled with grammatical errors.

Do you have any factual data to support that or you just talking nonsense?

Your post very much and too many nonsense. Post very stupid, no understand.

DP. VT states very clearly on their website that they do *not* yield protect. They can't accept everyone who applies, as much as some of you think they are owed an acceptance.

Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection.
https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

They lie. just like the AOs of many schools now lie. Because they are no longer AOs but marketing types whose job it is to get submitted the greatest no. of applications so they can reject them thereby appearing more selective to USNWR, other ranking services and to alums. AOs are not your friend. they work for the school. period. Ask any TJ parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT does not yield protect. I know some.people want to use this as an excuse for their kids not getting in, but that does not make it true. VT will definitely reject/waitlist a "high stats" kid that does not take the time to appropriately answer their 4 short essay questions. The 20:57 PP on page 2, for example, does not take the time to proofread their posts. Perhaps their essays were also riddled with grammatical errors.

Do you have any factual data to support that or you just talking nonsense?

Your post very much and too many nonsense. Post very stupid, no understand.

DP. VT states very clearly on their website that they do *not* yield protect. They can't accept everyone who applies, as much as some of you think they are owed an acceptance.

Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection.
https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html#:~:text=Virginia%20Tech%20does%20not,participate%20in%20yield%20protection.

They lie. just like the AOs of many schools now lie. Because they are no longer AOs but marketing types whose job it is to get submitted the greatest no. of applications so they can reject them thereby appearing more selective to USNWR, other ranking services and to alums. AOs are not your friend. they work for the school. period. Ask any TJ parent.

I'm sorry your kid was rejected. It might be time for you to accept the fact that VT does not yield protect, as stated on their website. I hope you haven't passed this childishness on to your kid.

[Anonymous]

One of the smartest things I heard when DD was going through the college admissions process was a guidance counselor who said “every university is putting together an orchestra every single year. They need a variety of students. They cannot have just all tuba players.”

This makes sense to me. College choosing my kid or not is not just stats. None of these high performing kids are owed an acceptance. There is no reason at all my DD got in some schools and not others with a 1500 SAT and. 4.3 Gpa. Except that it’s an orchestra.

To everyone who says they were devastated not to get into VT but are quick to point out in most cases there were admitted at higher ranked schools, ask yourself why? Is that just ego? Consider the orchestra and it makes better sense. And be so grateful you have a smart hardworking kid who has several excellent choices.

[Anonymous]

The thing at VA tech is that kids with significantly lower stars get in, and higher are waitlisted. You can claim “orchestra” all you want but it’s obvious what it is.