Principal RED Flags---

Anonymous
In MCPS, not FCPS, but, have been through 3 ES Principals, 2 MS Principals and 2 HS Principals during my kids time in MCPS. EVERY time there is a Principal turnover, there is also a larger than usual teacher turnover. Part because those that were favored by the previous principal no longer are and want to leave. Part because some don't like the new principal. And many leave jobs because of horrible colleagues, because a school closer to their home had an opening, or because their spouse got a new job in another state
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Anonymous wrote:In MCPS, not FCPS, but, have been through 3 ES Principals, 2 MS Principals and 2 HS Principals during my kids time in MCPS. EVERY time there is a Principal turnover, there is also a larger than usual teacher turnover. Part because those that were favored by the previous principal no longer are and want to leave. Part because some don't like the new principal. And many leave jobs because of horrible colleagues, because a school closer to their home had an opening, or because their spouse got a new job in another state


+1, There is always a larger than normal teacher turnover the first three years that a new principal comes in.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that kind of turnover means the principal sucks. If people retire, that is one thing, or move away, but if too many teachers transfer to another, that’s a huge red flag.

When people are on a performance improvement plan, you can tell, because they have mentors from outside the building coming in all the time.

I’ve seen and been at schools where principals forced people out and it was not fair at all. It’s like the zero in on people for some reason and they have no chance of succeeding. In almost every case, over my many years, it was a principal problem, while teachers who should have been counseled out were left alone. It’s astonishing how much power principals have.


AP's too...I've never personally had an issue but I have seen toxic work environments created by admin. My heart breaks for those people teaching is hard enough! No one should have to deal with high school behavior from adults who are supposed to be professionals.


Yes, sometimes it is an AP that is the issue. Some AP's create a toxic environment or are on such such power trip that they make life very difficult for teachers, which leads to mass exodus.

The worst ones are the ones who tell you how much they care and how they're on your side while simultaneously telling you how much you suck and how great they were when they were in the classroom, and how if you were just more like they are, everything would be fine.

They are the worst. Gaslighters who claim to be empathetic, while they're actually sadistic.
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Anonymous wrote:I've now been at 2 FCPS schools that went bad after a principal change. Dramatically bad. In both cases, the principals had come from Title 1 schools to high performing schools in middle class areas where SOL passing rates were great and the school had been kind of under the radar, with longtime principals who weren't chasing every FCPS fad and buzzword. Principals who understood that true instructional leadership means hiring and supporting great teachers...and then largely removing obstacles so that those great teachers can stay great teachers.

Toxic principals I have been heartbroken to encounter have been FCPS bots...diving 100% into every FCPS fad and trend from central office. Favoring compliance over brilliance, conformity over individual teacher strengths.

In both cases, the new principals quickly created new "coach" positions to create more layers of bureaucracy, changed one CLT a week to 2, and turned team planning time into dog and pony shows where people presented spreadsheet after spreadsheet of data with little or no instructional value. Principals who created so much extra work, so much unnecessary stress.

In both cases, the teachers they targeted and started to make miserable were the outliers...the ones who were experienced and confident and effective enough to push back against insane time wasting edicts. Usually teachers who were smarter than them.

I recall vividly one of our most brilliant teachers, one whose students got the highest test scores in her grade by far. She was a divergent thinker, someone who planned on the fly, someone who had unique ideas and had her students do all kinds of engaging and fun projects. She engaged in quiet rebellion about some things....like, teaching phonics when central office boys weee pushing Lucy Calkins or bust. Having kids sing jingles to memorize multiplication facts. Previous principal loved her, new Central Office Bot principal hated her, and over 3 years made her life a misery. Big things and small...bad evaluations (claiming her higher test scores were evidence she wasn't a team player), removing her from leadership positions, moving her to another team, moving her to a room without windows.

She transferred to another school with a principal who had previously been at our school. Over 3 years, at least 6 of our best staff moved to that school. Another half dozen retired...these were not teachers who had planned to retire that year necessarily, but the new principal was toxic so they got out when they could. Several more transferred to other schools for different opportunities, but wouldn't have thought of leaving that school before the principal change.

I WISH anyone in leadership would car about these kinds of school climate tsunamis. But they just seem to be concerned about getting people who play the game and are all in for the dog and pony show stuff.


Clearly, this is a sensitive topic for you, but as a teacher, I’d like to let you know that the coach position and two CLT’s have absolutely nothing to do with school leadership. Those are mandates from the county and your previous principal would have had to have done them as well.

With over 20 years of teaching experience, I can tell you that your beloved teacher was undoubtedly a bully to all the other teachers on staff, no matter how great their test scores were. In addition, many of those teachers lie about their test scores; it’s a part of their whole bullying persona.


2 CLTS and coaches are not mandated by county.

We have no coach and 1 CLT a week this year.


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You can have 2 CLT meetings a week, but you still need to have at least 240 minutes of teacher-directed planning time per week.
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Anonymous wrote:Either there is something wrong with the principal OR the principal is getting rid of bad teachers.


There’s not been one example in FCPS of a principal terminating 1/3 of its teaching staff. In this case, it’s the principal and/or the school environment


I worked at a school where a hard driving principal drove teachers away. Parents loved him, teachers did not.

There's a big difference between a hard driving principal and one who's just an a**h***.


At our ES, a lot of the older teachers left because they didn't like the new principal's more modern ideas (this also coincided with a renewed focus on the science of reading, and the older teachers were not interested in new training).


When you refer to “more modern ideas,” and “science of reading,” are you referring to:

- the Lucy Calkins method?


NP but the Lucy Calkins method is the OPPOSITE of modern/science of reading/focus on actually teaching a child to read instead of guessing. Lucy Calkins teachers need to retire. You ruined an entire generation of children.
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Anonymous wrote:I've now been at 2 FCPS schools that went bad after a principal change. Dramatically bad. In both cases, the principals had come from Title 1 schools to high performing schools in middle class areas where SOL passing rates were great and the school had been kind of under the radar, with longtime principals who weren't chasing every FCPS fad and buzzword. Principals who understood that true instructional leadership means hiring and supporting great teachers...and then largely removing obstacles so that those great teachers can stay great teachers.

Toxic principals I have been heartbroken to encounter have been FCPS bots...diving 100% into every FCPS fad and trend from central office. Favoring compliance over brilliance, conformity over individual teacher strengths.

In both cases, the new principals quickly created new "coach" positions to create more layers of bureaucracy, changed one CLT a week to 2, and turned team planning time into dog and pony shows where people presented spreadsheet after spreadsheet of data with little or no instructional value. Principals who created so much extra work, so much unnecessary stress.

In both cases, the teachers they targeted and started to make miserable were the outliers...the ones who were experienced and confident and effective enough to push back against insane time wasting edicts. Usually teachers who were smarter than them.

I recall vividly one of our most brilliant teachers, one whose students got the highest test scores in her grade by far. She was a divergent thinker, someone who planned on the fly, someone who had unique ideas and had her students do all kinds of engaging and fun projects. She engaged in quiet rebellion about some things....like, teaching phonics when central office boys weee pushing Lucy Calkins or bust. Having kids sing jingles to memorize multiplication facts. Previous principal loved her, new Central Office Bot principal hated her, and over 3 years made her life a misery. Big things and small...bad evaluations (claiming her higher test scores were evidence she wasn't a team player), removing her from leadership positions, moving her to another team, moving her to a room without windows.

She transferred to another school with a principal who had previously been at our school. Over 3 years, at least 6 of our best staff moved to that school. Another half dozen retired...these were not teachers who had planned to retire that year necessarily, but the new principal was toxic so they got out when they could. Several more transferred to other schools for different opportunities, but wouldn't have thought of leaving that school before the principal change.

I WISH anyone in leadership would car about these kinds of school climate tsunamis. But they just seem to be concerned about getting people who play the game and are all in for the dog and pony show stuff.


Clearly, this is a sensitive topic for you, but as a teacher, I’d like to let you know that the coach position and two CLT’s have absolutely nothing to do with school leadership. Those are mandates from the county and your previous principal would have had to have done them as well.

With over 20 years of teaching experience, I can tell you that your beloved teacher was undoubtedly a bully to all the other teachers on staff, no matter how great their test scores were. In addition, many of those teachers lie about their test scores; it’s a part of their whole bullying persona.


This particular teacher was the opposite of a bully. Some of her teammates were less comfortable with her because she pushed back on things in the pacing guide or wasn't keen on just doing things like packets for social studies rather than projects and things that let kids be creative.

I'm not that teacher, but I'm old enough to have been around the block a few times, and I hate to see great unique teacher be penalized by administrators who value conformity over everything else. The biggest hassles for her f-'d this is true in other grades too) were that the pushy parent community would ask why Mrs. Smith's class was doing that cool outdoor garden project and why isn't her child's 4th grade teacher doing that? Or if Mr. Jones has the kids do a multimedia project in Google Earth to supplement their unit on X, a parent might question why their child's teacher wasn't also doing it. So, just to make less hassle for herself, she stomped out all individual autonomy in the classroom...the things that make great teachers great. What makes them love their jobs.

Understandably, NO ONe wants extra work, and there are times that not everyone on a team wants to do something like Google Earth or planting a garden or publishing a printed book of poetry...but if a teacher gets joy and pleasure from those kids of things, they should be encouraged, as long as all teammates are suitably teaching the standards. The idea that "collaboration" means people are in lockstep the same day in every class is just ridiculous. Teachers as spreadsheet robots. But I've literally seen it happen now in TWO FCPS schools in the past 6 years. Schools with 90+% pass rates.

And no, two CLTs is not in the regulations county wide. Some Regions seems stricter on it than others. and not every school has an instructional coach, math coach, reading coach, and technology coach', thankfully. Every school gets a reading teacher and an SBTS. These new principals both cut specialist positions to use school funds to pay for instructional coaches and math coaches, doubled CLT requirements, and made the reading teachers into coaches and SBTS into a coach so every CLT had 3 or 4 coaches attending, in addition to the team and admin. All a dog and pony show, so then teams had to plan on their own outside of that lost planning time.

That is NOT mandated, thankfully. That is small minds in leadership thinkinvbone size fits all, and if they came from a Title 1 school that is coachified, then every ES should do that, too.

So the best teachers leave, the impressionable or obedient stay and get beaten down and more stressed and dramatically less effective.

I'm a specialist and left both schools....the entire culture changed to conformity rather than creativity. And I'm also a specialist who loved collaborating with passionate colleagues in Gen Ed and special Ed who liked doing multimedia and multimodal activities to enrich the curriculum. And it's like, systematically, the teachers enthusiastic about that stuff were penalized for it because, understandably, not all team members are on board with that kind of thing. I joined schools with really positive climates and in both cases that was pretty much destroyed in a couple of years. They have more coaches, but teachers are so much less happy and more stressed out. They are miserable places to work.

Luckily, that's NOT a manadate. I found another home with a great principal. But seems like those are few and far between these days. I wish Region leadership would care to find out what's happening when they see a mass exodus. But they probably hear "we are investing in professional development on truly understanding the CLT cycle" and think that's great. And real teachers on the ground LOATHE it and never get asked why they're leaving or retiring.


Can you please run for school board?


+1 Or if that does not appeal, just amplify your voice in the way that makes most sense to you.
Anonymous
I taught on the same team as that terrific teacher who left and went to another school. She was phenomenal and I think the new admin were intimidated by her.

Having a ton of teachers transfer is definitely a red flag, as it’s a hassle to switch schools and start over somewhere.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I taught on the same team as that terrific teacher who left and went to another school. She was phenomenal and I think the new admin were intimidated by her.

Having a ton of teachers transfer is definitely a red flag, as it’s a hassle to switch schools and start over somewhere.


There’s always high turnover when there’s a new admin.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's a huge red flag. I taught at a middle school in FCPS that lost 90% of its staff (myself included) within 2 years after they hired a new principal. Central office didn't care, regardless of how many staff members submitted formal complaints. It is that difficult to find people qualified to be principals, I guess.

Finally she was caught doing blatantly illegal things and was fired, but it was almost 8 years before that happened. The school still hasn't recovered.


Which school?
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Anonymous wrote:I taught on the same team as that terrific teacher who left and went to another school. She was phenomenal and I think the new admin were intimidated by her.

Having a ton of teachers transfer is definitely a red flag, as it’s a hassle to switch schools and start over somewhere.


There’s always high turnover when there’s a new admin.



+1 absolutely not concerning at all if it’s a new admin.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that kind of turnover means the principal sucks. If people retire, that is one thing, or move away, but if too many teachers transfer to another, that’s a huge red flag.

When people are on a performance improvement plan, you can tell, because they have mentors from outside the building coming in all the time.

I’ve seen and been at schools where principals forced people out and it was not fair at all. It’s like the zero in on people for some reason and they have no chance of succeeding. In almost every case, over my many years, it was a principal problem, while teachers who should have been counseled out were left alone. It’s astonishing how much power principals have.


AP's too...I've never personally had an issue but I have seen toxic work environments created by admin. My heart breaks for those people teaching is hard enough! No one should have to deal with high school behavior from adults who are supposed to be professionals.


Yes, sometimes it is an AP that is the issue. Some AP's create a toxic environment or are on such such power trip that they make life very difficult for teachers, which leads to mass exodus.

The worst ones are the ones who tell you how much they care and how they're on your side while simultaneously telling you how much you suck and how great they were when they were in the classroom, and how if you were just more like they are, everything would be fine.

They are the worst. Gaslighters who claim to be empathetic, while they're actually sadistic.


+1. For some reason APs are not evaluated like teachers and principals. An AP can be completely ineffective but there's little accountability or recourse to remove them unless they do something blatantly illegal or negligent.
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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that kind of turnover means the principal sucks. If people retire, that is one thing, or move away, but if too many teachers transfer to another, that’s a huge red flag.

When people are on a performance improvement plan, you can tell, because they have mentors from outside the building coming in all the time.

I’ve seen and been at schools where principals forced people out and it was not fair at all. It’s like the zero in on people for some reason and they have no chance of succeeding. In almost every case, over my many years, it was a principal problem, while teachers who should have been counseled out were left alone. It’s astonishing how much power principals have.


AP's too...I've never personally had an issue but I have seen toxic work environments created by admin. My heart breaks for those people teaching is hard enough! No one should have to deal with high school behavior from adults who are supposed to be professionals.


Yes, sometimes it is an AP that is the issue. Some AP's create a toxic environment or are on such such power trip that they make life very difficult for teachers, which leads to mass exodus.

The worst ones are the ones who tell you how much they care and how they're on your side while simultaneously telling you how much you suck and how great they were when they were in the classroom, and how if you were just more like they are, everything would be fine.

They are the worst. Gaslighters who claim to be empathetic, while they're actually sadistic.


+1. For some reason APs are not evaluated like teachers and principals. An AP can be completely ineffective but there's little accountability or recourse to remove them unless they do something blatantly illegal or negligent.


This is true. Teachers should have input into an AP's evaluation, but they aren't given that opportunity, so AP"s can continue to bully and belittle teachers, and if the principal likes the AP, nothing is done about it.

Some AP's also do nothing regarding behavior and make teachers feel like it's their fault if students misbehave, which is the opposite of what both teachers and students need in order to fix the situation. The AP's play "good cop" and make the teacher the "bad cop," which allows students to manipulate the situation.
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