TJ Falls to 14th in the Nation Per US News

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I love how the C4TJ crowd paints this as a failure of the admission changes until it comes out they used data from before the changes went into effect to determine the ranking. Now, just radio silence...

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the C4TJ crowd paints this as a failure of the admission changes until it comes out they used data from before the changes went into effect to determine the ranking. Now, just radio silence...

Nah, your BS has been widely disproved. And, people don't bother arguing with a nuthead. The freshmen contributed in 3 out of 5 ranking categories and already wrecked TJ's ranking. A slowburn that just gets worse each year lol

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But there was a Facebook post!

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Equity requires that poorly taught kid at TJ to support its diversity chart, nevermind the kid's daily suffering

It is funny people think this way. Nobody left behind does not mean you must "bring everyone forward". You can also "bring everyone backward" so nobody is behind. TJ just need to teach easier classes then everybody is happy.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the C4TJ crowd paints this as a failure of the admission changes until it comes out they used data from before the changes went into effect to determine the ranking. Now, just radio silence...

That is so true. They're still so angry they can't continue to game admissions to favor the wealthy schools and are always looking for ways to support their false narrative. Meanwhile TJ declined under the old system and I'd bet goes up in a year or two.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ admissions is trying to pick better students in the last couple of years but there will always be ones that get through. Parents keep your cheating, low performing students at the base school. They will go to better colleges from there we promise.

The drop in stature just lags behind the changes which should improve TJ's standing just like it has greatly detoxified the schools environment.

Cure's ad showed over a third of entering class under the old process were their customers who also had access to their question bank. The old process was rewarding those who could afford to buy access. It was definitely not merit.

Thank you for the Curie mention. Your hallucination has given a lot of attention to Curie, but all year long classes are full, especially the advanced track. Others, please do not join Curie without doing your research, and complain how difficult the curriculum is. Most of Curie middle school students enter High School to begin Precalculus, and the remaining enroll in Algebra 2.

DP. People like me who post about the Curie situation do not care about whether or not it remains in business. We post only to highlight the reasons why standardized testing cannot and should not be used as a gatekeeper for access to exceptional educational opportunities like TJ.

The more you talk about Curie's success, the more you make our point for us. Go on, knock yourselves out. Make your millions off of families who feel like they have to consume your product in order to be considered "good parents" in your community. Continue to apparently limit your consumer base to only one ethnic demographic. We don't care.

We just don't want admissions processes to reward the people who pay large amounts of money to consume your product.

And guess what? We won.

Your entire reasoning is oddly irrational and your obsessive grudge against Curie appears crazy deep, yet quite intriguingly fascinating. Did you attend Curie yourself?

Quant-Q is a third-party test, widely available with numerous $20 prep books found all over the internet. Yet, you seem to believe that Curie couldn't have utilized any of those resources to compile their training material, but relied on this one eidetic kid to gather questions that are already out there? Even so, how is it different from the countless training institutes preparing students for exams like the SAT, LSAT, MCAT, COGAT, GRE, etc., where they are simply rehashing the same problem types found in $20 prep books like Barron's, Princeton Review, etc.?

Let's roll with your crazy reasoning, for a bit. While you may view the admissions change as a win in your head, but how can it be considered a win for the 160+ Algebra 1 students who are being placed at the bottom of the TJ class, tasked with struggling to catch upto the top-performing students who are two years ahead of them?

1) The students mentioned that they saw questions that were exactly the same as the questions that were on the exam in their classes at Curie. That's not coming from a review book - it's coming from a student who memorized a question. And you don't have to have an eidetic memory to be able to recall those questions - to this day I still recall several of the ones that I've seen.

2) The difference between the Quant-Q and the other exams is that the Quant-Q is intended to be secured. None of those other exams tout that they are.

3) There is no sense in which the number of students entering from Alg1 are "being placed at the bottom of the TJ class" or trying to "catch up to students who are two years ahead of them". They're not taking additional math classes to close that gap, nor do they need to.

It's a win for them because, like every single TJ student that has ever existed, they are receiving a stronger educational product than they would at any other school available to them, both in terms of coursework and cohort.

It's a win for TJ because a huge chunk of those students are coming from disadvantaged economic backgrounds, creating the sort of experiential diversity that will pay of in huge dividends for students who have never been around such students in the past.

And it's a win for Northern Virginia because there is now one fewer reason for parents to try to hyper-accelerate their children beyond what their ability would prescribe.

So no to testing and yes to diversity?

Why couldn't they revamp the test(s), because there were two other tests that no one ever mentions, but then also allow for experience factor points. Hypothetically a kid with a 90 average on tests but experience factors would show strong academic competency and diversity vs what appears to be random right now.

Among all groups, including URMs, there are simply smarter kids, that this process currently doesn't identify. They went with the most expedient solution to meet their social engineering "wins" vs what made sense but took hard work.

Good question and I don't know. They clearly want a less informed admissions process than a more informed one. They can always incorporate experience factors into test scores and teachers' recommendations.

At my kid's school, they left out an African American kid who has advanced math courses and STEM awards but took some white kids who are layback and don't even care of TJ. But, well we have a "holistic" admissions process now LOL

He had a 4.0? They do look at GPA.

Not sure if it’s 4.0 may have some A-, should be very close. But, his grades are for sure better than those white kids.

It’s funny that they bring back all test scores and teachers’ recommendations in sophomore admissions.

If his GPA was higher than he should have been ahead of them on the list. Must be other factors that pushed them ahead. Low income?

GPA matters very very very little in comparison to the essays and experience factors. Like almost insignificantly.

At our Key Middle, if kid just shows up for test they get an A on the quiz. So much pressure from top to keep attendance high and show success with infated grades. SOL is where everyone gets dinged.

Yeah, even a student from TJ failed SOL this year. Just ridiculous.

what else can one expect if that student was admitted based on sob story essay, instead of evaluation of their middle school math, english, science skills. [/quote]


+1. No surprise! Actions have consequences. Same with Test Optional at the universities. It didn't work and they are switching back. Sometimes testing and merit really do predict success.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the C4TJ crowd paints this as a failure of the admission changes until it comes out they used data from before the changes went into effect to determine the ranking. Now, just radio silence...

That is so true. They're still so angry they can't continue to game admissions to favor the wealthy schools and are always looking for ways to support their false narrative. Meanwhile TJ declined under the old system and I'd bet goes up in a year or two.

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The “arguments” are so irrational it sounds like test prep scammers with sour grapes.

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After this year, the ranking drop will be a usual thing. Families will look for more serious academic options for their kids. FCPS can have fun with their DEi students. Nobody cares anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Admission change is so good, then TJ dropped to 14th? What do you expect? Stay in top 1?

The data used was for the class of 2022. Not the new admissions classes.

+100 The drop in TJ's rank reflected the corrupt process that allowed students to buy their way in. The data used predates the change in process.

Yes, but it will continue to fall.

The only people who care about rankings are those who want to use TJ as a bragging right towards their neighbors and families.

For the kids and teachers, what difference does it make? Teachers at TJ will continue to teach a wide variety of challenging science and math courses, and kids at TJ will continue to benefit from such interesting and specialized classes. That's what actually matters, not made-up rankings by random internet companies.

But teachers will continue to slap Cs and Ds in math and science courses to underqualified struggling students.

That has ALWAYS happened. It is not new to this group of admits and it is not happening at some vastly accelerated rate. Stop crapping on kids that you don't know with bad information.

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Anonymous wrote:After this year, the ranking drop will be a usual thing. Families will look for more serious academic options for their kids. FCPS can have fun with their DEi students. Nobody cares anymore.

This is a relief. Leave TJ to the STEM kids, not to children of parents who are trying to maximize their child's college app and eventual career.

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Anonymous wrote:After this year, the ranking drop will be a usual thing. Families will look for more serious academic options for their kids. FCPS can have fun with their DEi students. Nobody cares anymore.

This is a relief. Leave TJ to the STEM kids, not to children of parents who are trying to maximize their child's college app and eventual career.

“STEM kids” who spend their hs in remedial math and never are a part of any STEM competitions lol

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Anonymous wrote:Admission change is so good, then TJ dropped to 14th? What do you expect? Stay in top 1?

The data used was for the class of 2022. Not the new admissions classes.

+100 The drop in TJ's rank reflected the corrupt process that allowed students to buy their way in. The data used predates the change in process.

Yes, but it will continue to fall.

The only people who care about rankings are those who want to use TJ as a bragging right towards their neighbors and families.

For the kids and teachers, what difference does it make? Teachers at TJ will continue to teach a wide variety of challenging science and math courses, and kids at TJ will continue to benefit from such interesting and specialized classes. That's what actually matters, not made-up rankings by random internet companies.

But teachers will continue to slap Cs and Ds in math and science courses to underqualified struggling students.

That has ALWAYS happened. It is not new to this group of admits and it is not happening at some vastly accelerated rate. Stop crapping on kids that you don't know with bad information.

Again part of their false narrative to blame changes in admission for the schools decline which apparently really happened before the changes since these rankings were based on 2022 data.

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Anonymous wrote:After this year, the ranking drop will be a usual thing. Families will look for more serious academic options for their kids. FCPS can have fun with their DEi students. Nobody cares anymore.

This is a relief. Leave TJ to the STEM kids, not to children of parents who are trying to maximize their child's college app and eventual career.

“STEM kids” who spend their hs in remedial math and never are a part of any STEM competitions lol

Fortunately the students going to TJ are from the very top 1.5% of their schools so are all top notch.

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Anonymous wrote:After this year, the ranking drop will be a usual thing. Families will look for more serious academic options for their kids. FCPS can have fun with their DEi students. Nobody cares anymore.

This is a relief. Leave TJ to the STEM kids, not to children of parents who are trying to maximize their child's college app and eventual career.

“STEM kids” who spend their hs in remedial math and never are a part of any STEM competitions lol

Fortunately the students going to TJ are from the very top 1.5% of their schools so are all top notch.

That’s not how it works.

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Anonymous wrote:After this year, the ranking drop will be a usual thing. Families will look for more serious academic options for their kids. FCPS can have fun with their DEi students. Nobody cares anymore.

This is a relief. Leave TJ to the STEM kids, not to children of parents who are trying to maximize their child's college app and eventual career.

“STEM kids” who spend their hs in remedial math and never are a part of any STEM competitions lol

Fortunately the students going to TJ are from the very top 1.5% of their schools so are all top notch.

That’s not how it works.

Yes only half the kids come from the top 1.5% of their school. The other half are the top kids in the county who weren't within he top 1.5% of their school. Regardless TJ only gets the cream of the crop.