Washington Post Poll vs Catania Internal Poll

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Is it possible that the NBC4/Washington Post/Marist poll of the mayoral election showing Muriel Bowser leading David Catania by 17 points is wrong? Most of us would probably consider that to be unlikely, but the Catania campaign is making a strong argument to the contrary. The Catania argument -- which has some support -- is that the NBC4/Washington Post/Marist poll artificially inflates Bowser's support as a result of a wrongly-modeled poll sample.

The Marist poll results followed a Catania internal poll showing the two candidates separated by just 3 points and within the margin of error. While many -- including me -- are inclined to discount internal polling results, I noticed that the Catania campaign was still standing by its polling numbers. Moreover, in a Washington City Paper article, Will Sommer linked to this article:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/victory_lab/2011/12/_likely_voters_lie_why_private_campaign_polls_get_such_different_results_from_public_media_polls_.html

which gives credence to the Catania campaign's position.

The Slate article was written by Sasha Issenberg who has gained quite a reputation for understanding how campaigns use data. He is the author of "The Victory Lab: The Secret Science of Winning Campaigns". So, his thoughts on this issue are credible. As Issenberg explains it, "a large methodological gap has now opened between the surveys candidates and their strategists see and the ones you do." The "methodological gap" involves the "likely-voter screen" used by pollsters to select likely voters for poll samples. Research has shown that poll responders are not particularly accurate in reporting their voter-registration status or likelihood to vote. While discrepancies in these two matters might not be all that important to media outlets, they are crucial to campaign strategists. Hence, campaign pollsters no longer rely on self-reporting. As Issenberg says, "campaign pollsters usually begin with a list of registered voters available from state election authorities." Hence, no need to rely on respondents to accurately answer whether they are registered. Similarly, voting histories are used to determine which respondents are likely voters rather than relying on self-reporting.

I talked to Catania Campaign Manager Ben Young about the campaign's internal poll in light of the Issenberg article. He stressed the registered and likely voter methodological differences between the polls, but explained several other differences as well. All polls are based on a sample of voters. How that sample is modeled to reflect who will actually show up at the polls is crucial to the validity of a poll's findings. The NBC4/Washington Post/Marist poll simply models its sample based on the current DC population. In fact, in his article, Issenberg quotes Washington Post polling manager Peyton Craighill as saying, "The main thing is we want to know what everybody thinks, not just voters." As a result, according to Young, the NBC4/Washington Post/Marist poll sample does not accurately reflect the demographic makeup of those who historically vote in DC local elections.

According to Young the population of those who historically vote in DC local elections skews older and female. I don't know why females are more likely to vote than males and I didn't delve in to it, but apparently that's what the data shows. The bias toward older voters is easier to understand. Young voters don't tend to follow local politics closely, are therefore not as well informed about local politics, and turn out to vote in lower numbers than older voters. As a result, Young believes the NBC4/Washington Post/Marist poll over-sampled young and male voters.

It is the over-sampling of young voters that Young emphasized as being problematic to the NBC4/Washington Post/Marist poll's accuracy. Not only are such poll respondents -- based on historic patterns -- less likely to actually vote, but they are also less likely than older voters to be informed about the campaign. As such, they may or may not recognize the names of the candidates when asked by a pollster, but they would certainly recognize party affiliations. In Democratic Party-dominated DC, an uninformed voter is most likely to select the Democrat. This results in artificial inflation of the Democrat's numbers. Young says this is supported by the fact that the NBC4/Washington Post/Marist poll and the Catania internal poll found similar numbers for Catania and Carol Schwartz. The NBC4/Washington Post/Marist poll had Catania at 26 and Schwartz at 16. The Catania poll had Catania at 25 and Schwartz at 14. In contrast, the NBC4/Washington Post/Marist poll showed Bowser at 43 compared to 28 in the Catania poll. Young contends that difference in favor of Bowser is artificial. Moreover, Young says that he has heard that the Bowser campaign's internal polls also show a very close race. He suggests that question could be settled if the Bowser campaign would release those results.

We may never know which poll was more accurate. The findings may be superseded by events and polls can have a self-fulfilling effect. But, there seems to be enough substance to the Catania campaign's argument that we may want to take the NBC4/Washington Post/Marist poll with a bit more salt than we might ordinarily do.

Disclaimer: I am a Catania supporter and I interviewed Catania Campaign Manager Ben Young for this article. However, I chose to write this article on my own initiative and have not cleared the article with the campaign in advance. This article reflects my own thinking based on the sources I credited. All errors are my own (even spelling and grammar mistakes which I can't even justifiably blame on autocorrect).

Edit: I correct one typo. Probably a few more remain.
Anonymous
so you think a team going into the championship game is going to come out and say-we agree witht he polsters and others opinions and think we are going to get our butts kicked?
jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:so you think a team going into the championship game is going to come out and say-we agree witht he polsters and others opinions and think we are going to get our butts kicked?


I'm sorry, I'm not sure that I understand your question. Would I expect Catania to agree that he is going to get beat? No, but I relied on more than that for this article. Please evaluate the substance rather than worrying about sports metaphors. Similarly, I wouldn't expect Bowser to provide internal polling results that contradict the public polling and that may be one reason her campaign is quiet about their internal polls.
Anonymous
No poll called us or any brothers or sisters in law who also vote in DC. We are strongly committed Catania voters as are most of our friends.
Anonymous
Jeff, did you get a chance to see the questions that were asked? The argument about the sampling is persuasive but I'd also like to know whether the questions were asked in a neutral manner.
Anonymous
I think most cantania voters are on dcum but the majority of DC doesn't support him.
Anonymous
Ah, Mr. Steele, now you know how us Romney supporters felt in 2012. Frustrating, isn't it? I, too, was given false hope by plausible-seeming explanations for discrepancies between the polling data and what seemed to be going on. Lesson learned.

Prepare for disappointment. I know it sounds plausible. Hell, it *is* plausible. But it is false hope all the same.
jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:Ah, Mr. Steele, now you know how us Romney supporters felt in 2012. Frustrating, isn't it? I, too, was given false hope by plausible-seeming explanations for discrepancies between the polling data and what seemed to be going on. Lesson learned.

Prepare for disappointment. I know it sounds plausible. Hell, it *is* plausible. But it is false hope all the same.


Legitimate point that I've thought about myself. My only defense is that there may be differences between national and local elections that make this more realistic than in the Romney case. But, I'm realistic at the same time. If it comes to it, I won't be Karl Rove on election night waiting for some last precinct in Ward 6 to come in.
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jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ah, Mr. Steele, now you know how us Romney supporters felt in 2012. Frustrating, isn't it? I, too, was given false hope by plausible-seeming explanations for discrepancies between the polling data and what seemed to be going on. Lesson learned.

Prepare for disappointment. I know it sounds plausible. Hell, it *is* plausible. But it is false hope all the same.


Legitimate point that I've thought about myself. My only defense is that there may be differences between national and local elections that make this more realistic than in the Romney case. But, I'm realistic at the same time. If it comes to it, I won't be Karl Rove on election night waiting for some last precinct in Ward 6 to come in.


My new default belief is that the moment a senior operative of a campaign utters the word "oversampling" during the last few months before the election, it's basically lights out.

I have no dog in this fight, not being a D.C. resident and seeing as how either candidate would be utterly unacceptable to someone with my views anyway, but it seems pretty clear to me that the overwhelmingly better candidate is going to lose, potentially quite badly. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The joys of democracy.
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Anonymous wrote:Jeff, did you get a chance to see the questions that were asked? The argument about the sampling is persuasive but I'd also like to know whether the questions were asked in a neutral manner.


I was actually polled, so I didn't need to see the questions. The first part of the poll was pretty standard: a few random questions about the direction of the District and so on. Then, the horse race question: if the election were held today would you vote for Democrat Muriel Bowser, Independent David Catania, etc. Then, a part where messaging was tested. This part was very biased toward Catania and described how he was raised by a single mother, etc. while Bowser was linked to a bunch of scandals. Then, the horse race question was asked again. Ben assures me that they are only counting the first horse race results and that Catania was actually ahead in the second one (believable given that Catania was presented as an American dream come true while Bowser was Boss Hogg).

If I were to critique the poll, I would ding it for being automated -- though there are various opinions on this point. My main criticism is that automated polls can't call cell phones. In the Post poll, Catania did worse among cell phone respondents than among line lines. That might support the theory that younger voters are more likely to pick Bowser because of the "D" label.

In it's favor, the polling firm is well-respected and has worked for many prominent Democrats including Cory Booker and Elizabeth Warren.


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jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jeff, did you get a chance to see the questions that were asked? The argument about the sampling is persuasive but I'd also like to know whether the questions were asked in a neutral manner.


I was actually polled, so I didn't need to see the questions. The first part of the poll was pretty standard: a few random questions about the direction of the District and so on. Then, the horse race question: if the election were held today would you vote for Democrat Muriel Bowser, Independent David Catania, etc. Then, a part where messaging was tested. This part was very biased toward Catania and described how he was raised by a single mother, etc. while Bowser was linked to a bunch of scandals. Then, the horse race question was asked again. Ben assures me that they are only counting the first horse race results and that Catania was actually ahead in the second one (believable given that Catania was presented as an American dream come true while Bowser was Boss Hogg).

If I were to critique the poll, I would ding it for being automated -- though there are various opinions on this point. My main criticism is that automated polls can't call cell phones. In the Post poll, Catania did worse among cell phone respondents than among line lines. That might support the theory that younger voters are more likely to pick Bowser because of the "D" label.

In it's favor, the polling firm is well-respected and has worked for many prominent Democrats including Cory Booker and Elizabeth Warren.




So it was an electronic push-poll? ~snort~ Catania is in more trouble than I thought.
jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:
So it was an electronic push-poll? ~snort~ Catania is in more trouble than I thought.


No. It was not an electronic push-poll. There are legitimate criticisms of both my post and Catania's poll. There is no need to be an idiot.
Anonymous
Turnout in the Dem primary was so low, and I think it's really hard to tell what Dems who sat out the primary will do--sit out now, vote for a Dem they didn't like before, or vote for one of the two former Republicans. It's also hard to tell how much of a vote Schwartz will get. I think that it's almost impossible for pollsters to do a good job predicting who is actually going to vote this time around, and therefore impossible to make accurate predictions. We'll just have to see what happens on Election Day.
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jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
So it was an electronic push-poll? ~snort~ Catania is in more trouble than I thought.


No. It was not an electronic push-poll. There are legitimate criticisms of both my post and Catania's poll. There is no need to be an idiot.


Whoa, I touched a nerve there. Sorry, Mr. Steele, that was meant to a little tongue-in-cheek, but perhaps my humorous intent was not clear. I thought the happy face was sufficient. I can see why Team Catania is.....er.....a little sensitive these days.

Even so, you are the one who described the poll at issue as being taken as part of a call where, among other things, "Catania was presented as an American dream come true while Bowser was Boss Hogg." Yes, I understood that you were told that the results at issue were from the portion of the poll before this was described. It just didn't sound like an entirely neutral exercise given all that. My apologies if I misunderstood and, of course, best of luck in November.
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Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
So it was an electronic push-poll? ~snort~ Catania is in more trouble than I thought.


No. It was not an electronic push-poll. There are legitimate criticisms of both my post and Catania's poll. There is no need to be an idiot.


Whoa, I touched a nerve there. Sorry, Mr. Steele, that was meant to a little tongue-in-cheek, but perhaps my humorous intent was not clear. I thought the happy face was sufficient. I can see why Team Catania is.....er.....a little sensitive these days.

Even so, you are the one who described the poll at issue as being taken as part of a call where, among other things, "Catania was presented as an American dream come true while Bowser was Boss Hogg." Yes, I understood that you were told that the results at issue were from the portion of the poll before this was described. It just didn't sound like an entirely neutral exercise given all that. My apologies if I misunderstood and, of course, best of luck in November.


Okay, fair enough. I apologize for not understanding your humorous intent. I am trying to be as straightforward as possible. The polling firm -- which, btw, is Clarity -- is reputable and I don't think would misleadingly release the results of a push poll. There is no reason to believe that the poll was not used for testing messaging.
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