Does ISIS have a right to be pissed off?

[Anonymous]

The Iraq War was given this justification in 2003: According to U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair, the coalition mission was "to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people."

This was the result of that war:


Sources: http://www.prosebeforehos.com/government_employee/09/11/perspective-on-911-and-the-invasions-of-iraq-afghanistan/

This was the result of some of the wars that the US has been involved in since WWI.



Turns out that according to the CIA, there is no evidence that there were WMDs in Iraq.
https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/

From the transmittal letter of Charles Duelfer who presented the WMD evidence in the CIA report:

"Evidence. The problem of discerning WMD in Iraq is highlighted by the prewar misapprehensions of weapons, which were not there. Distant technical analysts mistakenly identified evidence and drew incorrect conclusions. There is also the potential of the obverse problem. Observers may have evidence before them and not recognize it because of unfamiliarity with the subject. Often ISG found no evidence of one thing or another. It may be that a more accurate formulation might be we recognized no evidence. This is a fundamental conundrum in assessing alien circumstances."

What a kick in the pants, right?

The reason for the war was a lie. There were no WMDs, no link between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, and the Iraqi people were not liberated. The Sunni muslims were also persecuted by the Shia government led by al-Maliki and installed by the US.

Estimates vary on the number of Iraqi civilian casualties between 110,000 to well over a million. No one really counted that carefully.

Estimates of US combat and other casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan and the War on Terror are a little less than 7,000.

Do Sunni radicals in Iraq have a reason to be pissed?

Everyone is so outraged by ISIS/ISIL. Where is the outrage for what the US and the international community did in Iraq?

[Anonymous]

Short answer: it doesn't become a "tragedy" - in terms of the mainstream media & political circus - until a white American is killed. White Americans generally lack truly action-spurring empathy for "The Other." We could see hundreds of executed bodies in a pit, but we won't do squat because they are Iraqi tribal members.

Cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, white people are always the "good guys" and brown/black people are always the "bad guys."

Cognitive dissonance indeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Short answer: it doesn't become a "tragedy" - in terms of the mainstream media & political circus - until a white American is killed. White Americans generally lack truly action-spurring empathy for "The Other." We could see hundreds of executed bodies in a pit, but we won't do squat because they are Iraqi tribal members.

Cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug.

Ummmm....did we not strike ISIS in part over fears that they were ethnically cleansing the Yazidis?

[Anonymous]

Ummmm... Did we not kill hundreds do thousands of Iraqi civilians on the false pretext of WMDs?

[Anonymous]

ISIS only knows killing. They are brutal, murderous monsters. They are evil incarnate. They need to be stopped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ISIS only knows killing. They are brutal, murderous monsters. They are evil incarnate. They need to be stopped.

Did you ever graduate from the 4th grade?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ISIS only knows killing. They are brutal, murderous monsters. They are evil incarnate. They need to be stopped.

Iraqi civilian death toll from ISIS: 5,500
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/iraqi-civilian-death-toll-5500-2014-isis

Iraqi civilian death toll from US: 110,000 - 1,000,000+
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

ISIS will never be as good at killing as the US is. And the US started it. They never attacked us.

[Anonymous]

You people do not have a clue.

[Anonymous]

Throughout the Iraq war:



And this is US casualties in that same war:



One is in scale of thousands and the other is in a scale of dozens. Even though every life is precious, the numbers are staggeringly lopsided.

Also note the figures during the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld administration compared to the numbers during the Obama administration.

And the Obama administration got as the hell out of there.

Now, some have argued that leaving Iraq causes the ISIS situation. I would propose that being in there and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians under bullshit WMD and terrorism pretexts is why we are in the current situation.

[Anonymous]

It sounds like their spokesperson is already here.

[Anonymous]

The guy who beheaded the US journalist had a British accent.

[Anonymous]

Lots of people traveling from Australia England to Syria. Presumably, they will then travel back home.

[Anonymous]

This organization has made its goal known - they want to attack the US, and fly the ISIS flag over the White House. Those of you who think they are not a threat have your heads in the sand. They are against anything that does not conform to their radical beliefs. They have no “right” to kill in order to make the world an “Islamic state.” They are madmen that need to be eliminated.

[Anonymous]

Iraqis have a legitimate beef with the U.S. but ISIS is a bunch of crazed terrorists from other countries so no, they have no right to be "pissed off."

OP is dumb.