You know the police reports this stuff publicly, right? They have a Web site and everything. It's crazy. Since you're apparently either too stupid or too lazy to find it yourself, here's the report. It's on page 24. It's even on a chart so you dont have to tax your little brain reading entire sentences. https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf |
(the silence is deafening) |
Lazy idiot who couldn’t be bothered including a link in his post accusing others of being lazy and stupid for not trawling the web to find their sources . . . It’s sad to see but true to form for anyone who thinks over-simplified tabulations like this contain any useful information. If speed and/or driver distraction were not at least a contributing factor to these incidents, odds are that many if not all of these 35 people would still be alive today. But as vehicles lack black boxes and devices to record driver eye movement, this is very difficult for investigators to discern. |
Is this a parody account?? It is NOT the auto driver who needs step-by-step instructions on how to approach a stop sign. Just last evening I watched 2 adults on bikes blow through the stop sign on Willow by the Women's Farm Market in Bethesda. Not even a hint at stopping. Thank goodness the car coming out of the parking lot just sat there (even though it was stopped and there FIRST), as if they knew this would happen, and watched. Otherwise, likely a double smash of those on bikes. |
Of course you know, the bikers do not stop. Only the unicorn ones who post here on this site, stop. |
Fixed it for you. |
All but the last 2 can be designed away. The whole Vision Zero concept covers a lot of what the city can do: https://visionzero.dc.gov/pages/engineering The auto industry can do a lot too, like make vehicles smaller, lighter and lower: https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians Crashes and fatalities are not evenly distributed through the city, certain kinds of roads are much more dangerous than others. Most of these could pejoratively be called "stroads" in that they try to be both a through route and a destination. Decoupling these functions would reduce crashes greatly. Bringing back enforcement would help also. Take Oslo for example, a city of comparable size. It had 1 traffic death in 2019: https://www.wired.com/story/oslo-pedestrianisation/ We could do it too, but we don't want to try. |
Seldom is the time I see a car at a 4 way stopsign come to a complete stop, as required by law. Like almost never. So please, let's just stop with the hyperbole. People driuving cars suck. People riding bikes suck. The difference is the severity of damage when one breaks the law over the other. |
If you have some specific information about these individual crashes that you think police investigators overlooked, you should contact them. But if you know literally nothing about them, then maybe just STFU? |
Given people make billions of trips every year the number of traffic deaths here is paltry. Surprising the police say almost half the deaths are the fault of pedestrians, bicyclists and ATV/scooter. |
To be fair, the pedestrian/bicyclist isn't around to give their side of the story. |
You've made this argument elsewhere. It's profoundly stupid. Next you'll be showing up on the crime threads to claim that the 274 murders that occurred in DC last year represent a miniscule fraction of the trillions of seconds that DC residents lived through last year and that we consequently don't need to be concerned about violent crime and or allocate any resources to reducing it. |
This is a near-perfect illustration of how the ability of total morons to freely access information on the internet debases public discourse. |
This line of argument is so disingenuous. When drivers complain about cyclists ignoring stop signs, they mean the cyclist made essentially no attempt to stop. They just went right through a stop sign or traffic light at or near full speed, regardless of whether they had the right of way (as required by law). If you spend five minutes on DC roads, you know this is commonplace behavior among cyclists. When cyclists complain about drivers "ignoring" stop signs, they mean something far more technical (and pedantic). They mean "yes, the car stopped in the commonplace sense of the term "stop" but the car didnt come to a complete and total halt where all of its forward momentum disappeared" (which is a definition that not even a traffic cop would enforce). Those two things are not the same thing, and it's absurd to pretend otherwise. |
Totally. I mean how can the cops even investigate murders? One of the persons who was there is dead, right? We should just stop investigating murders because, you know, who's to say what happened? |