USC and Columbia Protests

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Anonymous wrote:Bad move by both university presidents. How do these people get paid huge salaries and then make such stupid decisions. Arresting students by NYPD police in riot gear? Of course, that is going to end badly. Stupid move by USC too. And who has a graduation with no outside speakers? These high level administrators seem completely clueless and out of touch with their student bodies.

Well this aged well. And quickly.

At lunch Fox News tv reported someone got stabbed by a flag stick or post Monday. Is that true?

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC this summer is going to be absolutely wild and all of America will watch it live on tv - Palestine flags, antisemitic rhetoric, all the shit in college campuses will pour out at that convention center. Let’s see how they defend this shit to mainstream America.

Looks like mainstream America is sick of your Middle Eastern wars. Look at Candance Owens, Tucker Carlson. They are all sick of your wars.

Perhaps. But mainstream America always sides with Israel over Hamas. You won’t find a single “we support Palestine” flags in middle America, but you see “we support Israel” flags everywhere.

There is nothing mainstream America despises more than coddled, privileged rich kids “protesting” something which they know nothing about.

I live in the middle of the country - in Wisconsin (not Madison ) there are far fewer "we support Israel" signs than in Potomac MD (where I'm from), you know that 100,000 + "mainstream, middle Americans" showed up in crappy rainy/sleety weather to do a protest vote against Biden? The medieval methods of siege warfare plus the racist garbage coming out of Israeli government minister's mouths coupled with the Arab and refugee population in middle America means middle America looks different than what you imagine.

I’m from Wisconsin. Sounds like you live in a blue ‘burb.

have you looked at the new maps? Pretty much anything touching water is blue/purple and we've a lot of lakes. Fox valley isn't exactly a bastion of liberalism.

What? Fox point?

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say is the poor Arabs. Jews should not be targeted but neither anyone who speaks their minds politically. Anti semitism should not include being able to stand up for Palestine/Gaza. I really feel strongly that Jews who keep putting down these protesters are in the wrong. It's not about whether the protesters are right but that they should be allowed to express their sentiments without being attacked publicly. People don't understand that universities have always been the battlefront of intense political dialogue - education is where ideas and thoughts are expressed and absorbed. Questioning and debate, considerations and strong sentiments are the way the young learn. To take away the rights of these kids is basically censorship.

NP. I saw a video tonight where the “kids” you are defending were screaming “Go back to Poland” at Jewish students. Something like 96% of Polish Jews were killed by the Nazis. Is this the side and behavior you are defending?

Except they are not Columbia students, they are confirmed agitators.

Al Jazeera news has video of students holding signs that Palestine will be free by any means necessary. Violence is being advocated for.

Jews are claiming to be scared to death of "WORDS" while Palestinian women and children are actually getting slaughtered by a Jewish ethono state. Y'all are full of jokes.

This absurd. This isn’t just a bunch of misguided students peacefully protesting what they view as the Israeli government overstepping their rights to self defense, this is radicals supporting a recognized international terrorist organization and actively calling for genocide and the dissolution of the Israeli State, often specifically targeting Jewish students, staff, and passers who have zero connection to the Israeli government, and denying Israel any right to defend their nation following 10/7.

Criticizing Israel is perfectly fine. Israel has, in the past, made decisions I do not agree with, but that is different then glorifying Hamas and denying Israel the right to measured self defense.

How do you “correctly” criticize Israel? Posting on anonymous boards? Telling your friends? Putting a Canva pdf on IG?

I think there are two general baselines you should be aware of:

1) Hold both Israel and Hamas accountable. This is probably one of the biggest problems right now. Just for one example, I do not believe anybody doesn’t want a ceasefire right now, but the rhetoric from the far-left has been that Israel needs to commit to a one-sided ceasefire regardless of whether Hamas will commit to one - or whether any such ceasefire would be enforceable. Similarly, Israeli has been accused of genocide, but yet Hamas - who has long claimed openly that their goal is the genocide of the Israeli people - is not charged with the same. It is not fair or appropriate to hold Israel to a higher standard than other participants in the war. Also, keep in mind that this doesn’t just include current participants, but also the global community. For example, despite the rhetoric regularly thrown around, Israel current offensive is not killing civilians at a higher rate than other modern wars, and in fact is, generally, impressively efficient at minimizing casualties. Now, of course, any civilian casualties are a tragic reality in war, but why is Israel being held to what, according to most legitimate experts on the matter, are unrealistic and unprecedented goals? https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/05/middleeast/israel-hamas-military-civilian-ratio-killed-intl-hnk

2) Acknowledge Israel’s right to exist, and right to defend itself. Israel is a country, and has the right to defend itself against an aggressor (Hamas). Protest should stem from the understanding that Israel will remain a country, and that it has the right to defend itself. You can criticize how it is currently defending itself, but calling for Palestine/Hamas to take over Israel “from the rice to the sea” should be avoided.

3) (bonus) Avoid the standard anti-Semitic stereotypes, conspiracies, and other hate that has been on the rise. This includes claiming Jews secretly control the world (or the US), or that Jews just want to take over the Gaza Strip because they are greedy, evil goblins with long noses and pointy ears. Avoid references to the Holocaust, unless it is clearly topical, and remember that many American (and International) Jews have relatives and/or good friends in Israel. Remember that you don’t know if someone has a daughter who was raped and murdered at the music festival on 10/7, or has a cousin who is - either voluntarily or not - currently on active duty with the IDF and currently in Gaza. Respect if they do not want to talk about it, and understand their perspective. Under no circumstances should you be targeting or seeking out Jewish people as targets for your ire. This is a form of extreme anti-demotion that holds Jewish people globally accountable for crimes (or perceived crimes) by Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if these kids realize on 10/7 32 American were killed. The people they are protesting for have no love for them.

You will get nowhere if you insist on equating Hamas with the Palestinian people. If you cannot acknowledge the atrocities on both sides, you are a simpleton and should be ignored

Palestinians were polled in 2013 and 76% of them thought of the US as an enemy https://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/pew-enemy.jpg.

You disagree with that? For over 75 years the US and Israel have been killing Palestinians and stealing their land. Bet that number is higher today though Americans are starting to see the real problem/enemy.

Why should any aid go to people who hate us and celebrate terrorist acts on Americans?

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A good litmus test to see if a cause is worth supporting is asking yourself - if I were to go hang out with either of these factions on their home turf, who is more likely to separate my head from my body? Sorry Hamas going to have to side with the Jews on this one.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm amazed at parents who allow and/or encourage their children to participate in protests when paying big bucks for a college education. These kids need to be studying and working at a part-time job.

You sound jealous.

Not at all. I'm a parent whose adult kids were raised to be responsible, honest, caring, and hard-working adults.

What a good little sheep you raised.

And I bet your kid is wearing a mask outdoors at protest harassing and threatening people while being coddled in the bosom of a progressive bubble.

Really brave.

This country was founded on revolution and protests. I’m sure you’ve heard of free speech and the right to assemble, etc. You’re just mad because these students are bringing awareness to an issue that has been swept under the rug for far too long.

Free speech does not include threatening and intimidating other students simply because they are Jewish. Nor does it mean choosing which laws you decide to follow as part of your protest. You cannot block public streets, camp out where ever the hell you want, and disturb the peace and call it "free speech."
Other people have rights too. They seem not to recognize this fact.

Other people are agitators who rage filled that they are largely ignored at these peaceful protests.

Why are the protesters hiding behind masks?

Because extreme thugs like Ackerman are doxxing them and going after their families. Makes perfect sense to me. I’m not one to protest but if I was there I would wear a mask.

Oh no. Those poor kids. It’s almost as though they need to be held accountable for their actions

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if these kids realize on 10/7 32 American were killed. The people they are protesting for have no love for them.

You will get nowhere if you insist on equating Hamas with the Palestinian people. If you cannot acknowledge the atrocities on both sides, you are a simpleton and should be ignored

Disagree. If you lived in Germany in 1939 and just “supported the government,” you were a nazi. Same thing here.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm amazed at parents who allow and/or encourage their children to participate in protests when paying big bucks for a college education. These kids need to be studying and working at a part-time job.

You sound jealous.

Not at all. I'm a parent whose adult kids were raised to be responsible, honest, caring, and hard-working adults.

What a good little sheep you raised.

And I bet your kid is wearing a mask outdoors at protest harassing and threatening people while being coddled in the bosom of a progressive bubble.

Really brave.

This country was founded on revolution and protests. I’m sure you’ve heard of free speech and the right to assemble, etc. You’re just mad because these students are bringing awareness to an issue that has been swept under the rug for far too long.

Free speech does not include threatening and intimidating other students simply because they are Jewish. Nor does it mean choosing which laws you decide to follow as part of your protest. You cannot block public streets, camp out where ever the hell you want, and disturb the peace and call it "free speech."
Other people have rights too. They seem not to recognize this fact.

Other people are agitators who rage filled that they are largely ignored at these peaceful protests.

Why are the protesters hiding behind masks?

Because extreme thugs like Ackerman are doxxing them and going after their families. Makes perfect sense to me. I’m not one to protest but if I was there I would wear a mask.

Oh no. Those poor kids. It’s almost as though they need to be held accountable for their actions

If you believe in the cause, then don’t cover your face.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm amazed at parents who allow and/or encourage their children to participate in protests when paying big bucks for a college education. These kids need to be studying and working at a part-time job.

You sound jealous.

Not at all. I'm a parent whose adult kids were raised to be responsible, honest, caring, and hard-working adults.

What a good little sheep you raised.

And I bet your kid is wearing a mask outdoors at protest harassing and threatening people while being coddled in the bosom of a progressive bubble.

Really brave.

This country was founded on revolution and protests. I’m sure you’ve heard of free speech and the right to assemble, etc. You’re just mad because these students are bringing awareness to an issue that has been swept under the rug for far too long.

silliness

these are just bored, self-hating rich kids who've never been anywhere near any of the stuff they've appointed themselves to judge

wonder what the average household income is of the kids leading these protests

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Secular lifestyle + affluence = boredom and made-up problems

What if this was reversed? Would you still say it was a made up problem if the Palestinians had killed 35K Jews, mostly women and children, in six months after the Jews attacked Palestine in a targeted massacre and took hostages? Curious. Would we really say it was okay for Palestinians to respond in this way?

Well it didn’t happen that way didu it, because the Jews are not terrorists seeking extermination of the Gazans.

So it’s a moot point.

Oh, it’s moot. Well keep on killing then, amirite? Not a problem as you said earlier.

If they keep supporting terrorists who want to take us all back to the Middle Ages, we have no choice

That’s chilling. I bet that was Hitler’s line too: “no choice.”

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Anonymous wrote:I'm amazed at parents who allow and/or encourage their children to participate in protests when paying big bucks for a college education. These kids need to be studying and working at a part-time job.

You sound jealous.

Not at all. I'm a parent whose adult kids were raised to be responsible, honest, caring, and hard-working adults.

What a good little sheep you raised.

And I bet your kid is wearing a mask outdoors at protest harassing and threatening people while being coddled in the bosom of a progressive bubble.

Really brave.

This country was founded on revolution and protests. I’m sure you’ve heard of free speech and the right to assemble, etc. You’re just mad because these students are bringing awareness to an issue that has been swept under the rug for far too long.

Free speech does not include threatening and intimidating other students simply because they are Jewish. Nor does it mean choosing which laws you decide to follow as part of your protest. You cannot block public streets, camp out where ever the hell you want, and disturb the peace and call it "free speech."
Other people have rights too. They seem not to recognize this fact.

Other people are agitators who rage filled that they are largely ignored at these peaceful protests.

Why are the protesters hiding behind masks?

Because extreme thugs like Ackerman are doxxing them and going after their families. Makes perfect sense to me. I’m not one to protest but if I was there I would wear a mask.

Oh no. Those poor kids. It’s almost as though they need to be held accountable for their actions

Entitled, wealthy kids with a cause and from a generation that expects no consequences for anything they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A good litmus test to see if a cause is worth supporting is asking yourself - if I were to go hang out with either of these factions on their home turf, who is more likely to separate my head from my body? Sorry Hamas going to have to side with the Jews on this one.

I would hang out with the Palestinian Christians, but Israel may have killed the last of them already.

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say is the poor Arabs. Jews should not be targeted but neither anyone who speaks their minds politically. Anti semitism should not include being able to stand up for Palestine/Gaza. I really feel strongly that Jews who keep putting down these protesters are in the wrong. It's not about whether the protesters are right but that they should be allowed to express their sentiments without being attacked publicly. People don't understand that universities have always been the battlefront of intense political dialogue - education is where ideas and thoughts are expressed and absorbed. Questioning and debate, considerations and strong sentiments are the way the young learn. To take away the rights of these kids is basically censorship.

NP. I saw a video tonight where the “kids” you are defending were screaming “Go back to Poland” at Jewish students. Something like 96% of Polish Jews were killed by the Nazis. Is this the side and behavior you are defending?

Except they are not Columbia students, they are confirmed agitators.

Al Jazeera news has video of students holding signs that Palestine will be free by any means necessary. Violence is being advocated for.

Jews are claiming to be scared to death of "WORDS" while Palestinian women and children are actually getting slaughtered by a Jewish ethono state. Y'all are full of jokes.

This absurd. This isn’t just a bunch of misguided students peacefully protesting what they view as the Israeli government overstepping their rights to self defense, this is radicals supporting a recognized international terrorist organization and actively calling for genocide and the dissolution of the Israeli State, often specifically targeting Jewish students, staff, and passers who have zero connection to the Israeli government, and denying Israel any right to defend their nation following 10/7.

Criticizing Israel is perfectly fine. Israel has, in the past, made decisions I do not agree with, but that is different then glorifying Hamas and denying Israel the right to measured self defense.

How do you “correctly” criticize Israel? Posting on anonymous boards? Telling your friends? Putting a Canva pdf on IG?

I think there are two general baselines you should be aware of:

1) Hold both Israel and Hamas accountable. This is probably one of the biggest problems right now. Just for one example, I do not believe anybody doesn’t want a ceasefire right now, but the rhetoric from the far-left has been that Israel needs to commit to a one-sided ceasefire regardless of whether Hamas will commit to one - or whether any such ceasefire would be enforceable. Similarly, Israeli has been accused of genocide, but yet Hamas - who has long claimed openly that their goal is the genocide of the Israeli people - is not charged with the same. It is not fair or appropriate to hold Israel to a higher standard than other participants in the war. Also, keep in mind that this doesn’t just include current participants, but also the global community. For example, despite the rhetoric regularly thrown around, Israel current offensive is not killing civilians at a higher rate than other modern wars, and in fact is, generally, impressively efficient at minimizing casualties. Now, of course, any civilian casualties are a tragic reality in war, but why is Israel being held to what, according to most legitimate experts on the matter, are unrealistic and unprecedented goals? https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/05/middleeast/israel-hamas-military-civilian-ratio-killed-intl-hnk

2) Acknowledge Israel’s right to exist, and right to defend itself. Israel is a country, and has the right to defend itself against an aggressor (Hamas). Protest should stem from the understanding that Israel will remain a country, and that it has the right to defend itself. You can criticize how it is currently defending itself, but calling for Palestine/Hamas to take over Israel “from the rice to the sea” should be avoided.

3) (bonus) Avoid the standard anti-Semitic stereotypes, conspiracies, and other hate that has been on the rise. This includes claiming Jews secretly control the world (or the US), or that Jews just want to take over the Gaza Strip because they are greedy, evil goblins with long noses and pointy ears. Avoid references to the Holocaust, unless it is clearly topical, and remember that many American (and International) Jews have relatives and/or good friends in Israel. Remember that you don’t know if someone has a daughter who was raped and murdered at the music festival on 10/7, or has a cousin who is - either voluntarily or not - currently on active duty with the IDF and currently in Gaza. Respect if they do not want to talk about it, and understand their perspective. Under no circumstances should you be targeting or seeking out Jewish people as targets for your ire. This is a form of extreme anti-demotion that holds Jewish people globally accountable for crimes (or perceived crimes) by Israel.

Oxfam says this is the mostly deadly war in sheer daily numbers than any war in the last quarter century. So, you might rethink that statement. https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam

The problem with your cnn link is Israel is not transparent with data. They say it’s 2 civilians die every Hamas, but that also sounds like justification to continue killing Palestinians until there are none left. With that said, can you see why Americans are asking for a ceasefire right now? It may be one-sided temporarily to assess the situation, but by that has Hamas successfully killed anyone after 10/7 on the ground in Israel?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if these kids realize on 10/7 32 American were killed. The people they are protesting for have no love for them.

You will get nowhere if you insist on equating Hamas with the Palestinian people. If you cannot acknowledge the atrocities on both sides, you are a simpleton and should be ignored

Palestinians were polled in 2013 and 76% of them thought of the US as an enemy https://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/pew-enemy.jpg.

You disagree with that? For over 75 years the US and Israel have been killing Palestinians and stealing their land. Bet that number is higher today though Americans are starting to see the real problem/enemy.

Why should any aid go to people who hate us and celebrate terrorist acts on Americans?

Israelis don't love the US - they just use us for money and clout.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm amazed at parents who allow and/or encourage their children to participate in protests when paying big bucks for a college education. These kids need to be studying and working at a part-time job.

You sound jealous.

Not at all. I'm a parent whose adult kids were raised to be responsible, honest, caring, and hard-working adults.

What a good little sheep you raised.

And I bet your kid is wearing a mask outdoors at protest harassing and threatening people while being coddled in the bosom of a progressive bubble.

Really brave.

This country was founded on revolution and protests. I’m sure you’ve heard of free speech and the right to assemble, etc. You’re just mad because these students are bringing awareness to an issue that has been swept under the rug for far too long.

Free speech does not include threatening and intimidating other students simply because they are Jewish. Nor does it mean choosing which laws you decide to follow as part of your protest. You cannot block public streets, camp out where ever the hell you want, and disturb the peace and call it "free speech."
Other people have rights too. They seem not to recognize this fact.

Other people are agitators who rage filled that they are largely ignored at these peaceful protests.

Why are the protesters hiding behind masks?

Because extreme thugs like Ackerman are doxxing them and going after their families. Makes perfect sense to me. I’m not one to protest but if I was there I would wear a mask.

Oh no. Those poor kids. It’s almost as though they need to be held accountable for their actions

Oh no, if only we'd hold Israel accountable for its human rights abuses.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if these kids realize on 10/7 32 American were killed. The people they are protesting for have no love for them.

You will get nowhere if you insist on equating Hamas with the Palestinian people. If you cannot acknowledge the atrocities on both sides, you are a simpleton and should be ignored

Disagree. If you lived in Germany in 1939 and just “supported the government,” you were a nazi. Same thing here.

Does that include Jews who supported the government?