Anonymous wrote:Why oh why didn’t either party put another candidate through? It would have been a slam dunk.
They were selected by primary voters. There were other candidates. The voters didn’t like them.
On the GOP side. Nobody serious ran on the Dem side because the DNC wouldn't back them (to their detriment now).
That’s ridiculous.
There was another candidate. People weren’t interested.
What serious candidate was running against Biden? You'd have to be a billionaire and self-finance your campaign. Also, you do know that in 2019 I was not able to vote for my preferred Dem candidate because we have a stupid system as were millions of others.
Yeah sweetie, there was an actual multimillionaire on the ballot. That you don’t know that, is the least surprising thing I’ve read here in ages.
Why should I bother to know who’s running in the primaries if I never get a chance to vote for them? Besides, I said billionaire. A multi-millionaire could never keep up. Obviously they weren’t viable candidates or we would have heard more about them. RFK Jr. is certainly newsworthy.
Also, I really don’t appreciate misogynists, especially Dems.
Anonymous wrote:Why oh why didn’t either party put another candidate through? It would have been a slam dunk.
They were selected by primary voters. There were other candidates. The voters didn’t like them.
On the GOP side. Nobody serious ran on the Dem side because the DNC wouldn't back them (to their detriment now).
That’s ridiculous.
There was another candidate. People weren’t interested.
What serious candidate was running against Biden? You'd have to be a billionaire and self-finance your campaign. Also, you do know that in 2019 I was not able to vote for my preferred Dem candidate because we have a stupid system as were millions of others.
Yeah sweetie, there was an actual multimillionaire on the ballot. That you don’t know that, is the least surprising thing I’ve read here in ages.
Why should I bother to know who’s running in the primaries if I never get a chance to vote for them? Besides, I said billionaire. A multi-millionaire could never keep up. Obviously they weren’t viable candidates or we would have heard more about them. RFK Jr. is certainly newsworthy.
Also, I really don’t appreciate misogynists, especially Dems.
Even less surprising that you are too dumb to understand condescension. Why not call me a racist while you are at it?
Look, vote how you want. What do I care? My uterus is out, and I will actually benefit from Trump’s next round of tax cuts. We’ll go to our home in Europe for my children when the time comes. Where will you go when democracy is gone?
Anonymous wrote:You d*ckhwads have zero clue what we are doing in Israel. It sure as sh—- isn’t going to be featured on CNN anytime soon.
It’s been widely reposted that Biden and Bibi don’t like each other. That’s it.
What we do behind the scenes to tank his ass and bust up his coalition isn’t for us to know..
Don't worry! There is a super secret plan. We just have to push through this war funding bill first...
Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.
LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.
There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.
But, sure carry on with the head scratching.
Everyone supports a ceasefire in the abstract. If you were to ask people do you support Hamas releasing the hostages, I'm pretty sure you'd find near universal agreement there too - except among many of the protesters.
The student protesters with their incoherent demands are a fringe. Yes, they have a real issue, but just like the protesters for Occupy Wall Street and BLM they are marginalizing the very issue they care about. Slogans like "Defund the police" and "From the river to the sea" make it impossible for the mainstream to support the progressive left. By election day, Gaza will be a non-issue for mainstream America. Nothing more than a little background noise.
If your head is buried, a roar sounds like background noise.
I find it interesting how progressives are effectively cheering for a Trump victory. Like being able to say "I told you so" for a day is totally worth four years of misery - not just for women, minorities, the poor, the young, the environment, health care, but for Palestinians in particular. I never thought I'd see the day when the left is cheering for the Jared Kushner solution to the Middle East, but here we are.
It’s people like you who are not listening, and taking people’s votes for granted. I despise minority rule, and have protested it every time the GOP has allowed it. Now, the Dems are doing the very same — at their own risk. If you think I’m cheering, you are sadly mistaken. This is 💯 on Biden and the Dems. If they truly cared about the US Biden would step down. It’s that simple.
Right now this is a race between two massive egos. Trump is one, but Biden is one too. He is only in it to beat Trump again.
There is zero reason the DNC needs to put up Biden. Zero.
Let me get this straight. The progressive solution to the problems in Gaza is for Biden to resign the presidency. And then everything will turn into rainbows and unicorns for the Palestinian people. It's that simple for the left.
Never mind that President Kamala Harris will lose to Trump in nearly all fifty states. The down ballot realities will ensure that Republicans keep the Senate and likely the House too, not to mention most of the competitive State houses. An aggressively right wing pro-Israel cohort of evangelicals and allies of Bezalel Smotrich, the head of the Religious Zionist party, will then dictate US policy toward Israel. And these right wing advisors, who enthusiastically support settlements in the West Bank and the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza, are what progressives think will bring a just peace and happiness for the Palestinian people. And to this end progressives are willing to send women's rights into the dark ages, destroy the environment, and ensure millions of Americans become ensnared in poverty.
This is the progressive solution. And what all the student protestors are hoping will happen.
Correct?
If you think Biden is the only solution here, I have no words for you. There are lot of Dems who might handle things differently. Why are people so black and white in thinking? There are other solutions to the war than kill all Palestinians and roll over for terrorists. Lazy, lazy thinking.
You're right about Kamala. Biden effed her over when he put her on border policy. It was the dumbest move ever.
Again, 100% the fault of Biden and co.
If you don't understand that the choice in November is Biden or Trump, then I have no words for you.
If that inane response is all you have to what I expressed then we’re done here.
DP. They what is your solution that doesn’t involve a victory for Trump? Because that’s a non-starter.
NP. Be honest about how bad Biden is or expect many of to dismiss you as an unserious fool.
We have racism, genocide, and run of the mill police state fascism with Biden. You have yet to acknowledge that.
We had all that and worse with Trump. You have to acknowledge that.
Tell me which genocide we supplied with materiel and diplomatic support or STFU.
I don't agree with the use of "genocide" to describe what's happening in Gaza. The term was coined during WW2 to describe what Hitler did to the Jews for the crime of simply existing. What Israel is doing now is a response to an attack that killed hundreds of civilians and took hundreds more hostage.
Cutting off the food and water to a civilian population is genocide, especially when Israeli Ministers regularly use genocidal language for their intent.
That you can’t see it or refuse to see it is entirely a reflection on you.
+1
Just shocking that people cannot understand the extremism in the positions they are taking. This isn’t genocide because people are not being killed just for being? Really?
Are you paying attention? Tens of thousands of people have already been killed just for being.
No, they've been killed because Hamas is hiding behind them.
Was Hamas hiding behind the woman and her elderly mother who were committing the sin of walking across a Catholic Church courtyard in Gaza when a sniper shot them dead?
You have nothing to hide behind. The world sees you, and this time, nobody is forgetting who you are, what you stand for, and your tether to pure evil.
I don't know where Hamas was hiding, and neither do you. Hamas knew full well where to find the Israeli military yet they attacked a music festival.
Pick a lane.
EITHER Hamas was hiding behind innocent men, women, and children OR you don’t know where they are hiding at all. Your words, not mine.
Really? So really you just consume and regurgitate the Israeli propaganda to justify killing innocent civilians. The solution to uncertainty is to indiscriminately bomb and strafe a blockaded land, killing tens of thousands of innocent people in the process?
As for the festival attack, it’s obvious that the Hamas attacks were based on convenience. I’m sure they would have preferred to commit those atrocities on more IDF personnel in those moments. Otherwise, it’s silly to suggest that they should have marched right up to an IDF tank and started throwing hands at the steel like idiots. Attacks should involve strategy, right? Who attacks head-on? Just pointing out the obvious.
Anyway, you are pretty terrible at debate. I hope you perform your day job to greater effect.
I will choose to believe that you do, and that you’re an otherwise lovely person except for your pro-Israel views.
You're defending the festival attack, but sure, I'm terrible at debate.
Your argument is that Hamas should have evaded detection while invading Israel, knocked on the front door of an IDF outpost with their dukes up, and fought "like a real man!" ... and you say this while cowering like a baby girl from behind Uncle Sam's pants leg, you coward.
You're not just terrible at debate, you don't know when to take an L and shut your mouth.
Dp- please stop. You aren’t good at this. You aren’t persuasive, and you are doubling down on the terrorist attack on the music festival. Just stop.
DP. If only it was that easy to silence others when they are wiping the floor with your piss-poor Zionist propaganda!
DP. I’m not one to spout the Russian troll thing, but it’s just impossible for me to imagine you as a fellow US citizen. You’re so off-base and hateful! On the terrorists’ side?! I so hope that you’re not ever anywhere near normal, decent people.
NP. Are you a bigot? A fool? A paid hasbarist? You’re questioning an American’s Americaness because they don’t support a genocidal regime, that’s pathetic.
You’re losing and your sad selves know it.
You OTOH are supporting actual terrorists.
Whatever moron. Terrorists aren’t anywhere near as bad as a genocidal government is. Israel’s government is genocidal, and do check out the latest Smotrich video if indiscriminately bombing and starving civilians isn’t enough proof and you’re still convinced the Israelis don’t have genocidal intent.
Anonymous wrote:
Yet another DP. Hamas killed Americans and took other Americans hostage. What would you have done in Biden's shoes?
Proportional response, 35000 dead children and women is not the answer. We are dammed for what evil we have supported.
You suggest Hamas is no longer supported in Gaza. Is that true?
NP. I’m pretty sure Hamas has more support than ever in Gaza. The barbarism of the Israelis in the last six months has made it clear that the Israelis weren’t to be trusted and that Hamas which has the longest record of any Palestinian group of seeing through the Israelis bad faith (see Oslo and Wye) also has been much more effective in back footing the Israelis.
Shorter: the Zionism of recent decades is self destructing, including [unintenionally?] by strengthening Hamas.
Anonymous wrote:You d*ckhwads have zero clue what we are doing in Israel. It sure as sh—- isn’t going to be featured on CNN anytime soon.
It’s been widely reposted that Biden and Bibi don’t like each other. That’s it.
What we do behind the scenes to tank his ass and bust up his coalition isn’t for us to know..
Don't worry! There is a super secret plan. We just have to push through this war funding bill first...
+1
The sad fact is that the Zionist in both the Israeli and US governments are the products of luck and they can’t weather a real crisis. The sooner we are clear about their culpability, the sooner we can move forward. The war bill and the BS police actions against the protests just make it clear our corrupt establishment will break all kinds of norms.
And yes, using ‘norms’ is a dig at fools who should have directed more of their Trump-hatred at our corrupt establishments and the messes that they created. And yes simple MSNBC viewers, that includes the Democratic establishment.
Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.
LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.
There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.
But, sure carry on with the head scratching.
Everyone supports a ceasefire in the abstract. If you were to ask people do you support Hamas releasing the hostages, I'm pretty sure you'd find near universal agreement there too - except among many of the protesters.
The student protesters with their incoherent demands are a fringe. Yes, they have a real issue, but just like the protesters for Occupy Wall Street and BLM they are marginalizing the very issue they care about. Slogans like "Defund the police" and "From the river to the sea" make it impossible for the mainstream to support the progressive left. By election day, Gaza will be a non-issue for mainstream America. Nothing more than a little background noise.
If your head is buried, a roar sounds like background noise.
I find it interesting how progressives are effectively cheering for a Trump victory. Like being able to say "I told you so" for a day is totally worth four years of misery - not just for women, minorities, the poor, the young, the environment, health care, but for Palestinians in particular. I never thought I'd see the day when the left is cheering for the Jared Kushner solution to the Middle East, but here we are.
It’s people like you who are not listening, and taking people’s votes for granted. I despise minority rule, and have protested it every time the GOP has allowed it. Now, the Dems are doing the very same — at their own risk. If you think I’m cheering, you are sadly mistaken. This is 💯 on Biden and the Dems. If they truly cared about the US Biden would step down. It’s that simple.
Right now this is a race between two massive egos. Trump is one, but Biden is one too. He is only in it to beat Trump again.
There is zero reason the DNC needs to put up Biden. Zero.
Let me get this straight. The progressive solution to the problems in Gaza is for Biden to resign the presidency. And then everything will turn into rainbows and unicorns for the Palestinian people. It's that simple for the left.
Never mind that President Kamala Harris will lose to Trump in nearly all fifty states. The down ballot realities will ensure that Republicans keep the Senate and likely the House too, not to mention most of the competitive State houses. An aggressively right wing pro-Israel cohort of evangelicals and allies of Bezalel Smotrich, the head of the Religious Zionist party, will then dictate US policy toward Israel. And these right wing advisors, who enthusiastically support settlements in the West Bank and the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza, are what progressives think will bring a just peace and happiness for the Palestinian people. And to this end progressives are willing to send women's rights into the dark ages, destroy the environment, and ensure millions of Americans become ensnared in poverty.
This is the progressive solution. And what all the student protestors are hoping will happen.
Correct?
If you think Biden is the only solution here, I have no words for you. There are lot of Dems who might handle things differently. Why are people so black and white in thinking? There are other solutions to the war than kill all Palestinians and roll over for terrorists. Lazy, lazy thinking.
You're right about Kamala. Biden effed her over when he put her on border policy. It was the dumbest move ever.
Again, 100% the fault of Biden and co.
If you don't understand that the choice in November is Biden or Trump, then I have no words for you.
If that inane response is all you have to what I expressed then we’re done here.
DP. They what is your solution that doesn’t involve a victory for Trump? Because that’s a non-starter.
NP. Be honest about how bad Biden is or expect many of to dismiss you as an unserious fool.
We have racism, genocide, and run of the mill police state fascism with Biden. You have yet to acknowledge that.
We had all that and worse with Trump. You have to acknowledge that.
Tell me which genocide we supplied with materiel and diplomatic support or STFU.
I don't agree with the use of "genocide" to describe what's happening in Gaza. The term was coined during WW2 to describe what Hitler did to the Jews for the crime of simply existing. What Israel is doing now is a response to an attack that killed hundreds of civilians and took hundreds more hostage.
Cutting off the food and water to a civilian population is genocide, especially when Israeli Ministers regularly use genocidal language for their intent.
That you can’t see it or refuse to see it is entirely a reflection on you.
+1
Just shocking that people cannot understand the extremism in the positions they are taking. This isn’t genocide because people are not being killed just for being? Really?
Are you paying attention? Tens of thousands of people have already been killed just for being.
No, they've been killed because Hamas is hiding behind them.
Was Hamas hiding behind the woman and her elderly mother who were committing the sin of walking across a Catholic Church courtyard in Gaza when a sniper shot them dead?
You have nothing to hide behind. The world sees you, and this time, nobody is forgetting who you are, what you stand for, and your tether to pure evil.
I don't know where Hamas was hiding, and neither do you. Hamas knew full well where to find the Israeli military yet they attacked a music festival.
Pick a lane.
EITHER Hamas was hiding behind innocent men, women, and children OR you don’t know where they are hiding at all. Your words, not mine.
Really? So really you just consume and regurgitate the Israeli propaganda to justify killing innocent civilians. The solution to uncertainty is to indiscriminately bomb and strafe a blockaded land, killing tens of thousands of innocent people in the process?
As for the festival attack, it’s obvious that the Hamas attacks were based on convenience. I’m sure they would have preferred to commit those atrocities on more IDF personnel in those moments. Otherwise, it’s silly to suggest that they should have marched right up to an IDF tank and started throwing hands at the steel like idiots. Attacks should involve strategy, right? Who attacks head-on? Just pointing out the obvious.
Anyway, you are pretty terrible at debate. I hope you perform your day job to greater effect.
I will choose to believe that you do, and that you’re an otherwise lovely person except for your pro-Israel views.
You're defending the festival attack, but sure, I'm terrible at debate.
Your argument is that Hamas should have evaded detection while invading Israel, knocked on the front door of an IDF outpost with their dukes up, and fought "like a real man!" ... and you say this while cowering like a baby girl from behind Uncle Sam's pants leg, you coward.
You're not just terrible at debate, you don't know when to take an L and shut your mouth.
Dp- please stop. You aren’t good at this. You aren’t persuasive, and you are doubling down on the terrorist attack on the music festival. Just stop.
DP. If only it was that easy to silence others when they are wiping the floor with your piss-poor Zionist propaganda!
DP. I’m not one to spout the Russian troll thing, but it’s just impossible for me to imagine you as a fellow US citizen. You’re so off-base and hateful! On the terrorists’ side?! I so hope that you’re not ever anywhere near normal, decent people.
NP. Are you a bigot? A fool? A paid hasbarist? You’re questioning an American’s Americaness because they don’t support a genocidal regime, that’s pathetic.
You’re losing and your sad selves know it.
You OTOH are supporting actual terrorists.
Whatever moron. Terrorists aren’t anywhere near as bad as a genocidal government is. Israel’s government is genocidal, and do check out the latest Smotrich video if indiscriminately bombing and starving civilians isn’t enough proof and you’re still convinced the Israelis don’t have genocidal intent.
If they were genocidal, this would have been over months ago and there would not be one Palestinian living. They have the wherewithal.
Anonymous wrote:Why oh why didn’t either party put another candidate through? It would have been a slam dunk.
They were selected by primary voters. There were other candidates. The voters didn’t like them.
On the GOP side. Nobody serious ran on the Dem side because the DNC wouldn't back them (to their detriment now).
That’s ridiculous.
There was another candidate. People weren’t interested.
What serious candidate was running against Biden? You'd have to be a billionaire and self-finance your campaign. Also, you do know that in 2019 I was not able to vote for my preferred Dem candidate because we have a stupid system as were millions of others.
Yeah sweetie, there was an actual multimillionaire on the ballot. That you don’t know that, is the least surprising thing I’ve read here in ages.
Why should I bother to know who’s running in the primaries if I never get a chance to vote for them? Besides, I said billionaire. A multi-millionaire could never keep up. Obviously they weren’t viable candidates or we would have heard more about them. RFK Jr. is certainly newsworthy.
Also, I really don’t appreciate misogynists, especially Dems.
RFK Jr. may be "newsworthy" for a brief time but he is no more fit to lead this country than Trump and Biden are.
Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.
LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.
There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.
But, sure carry on with the head scratching.
Everyone supports a ceasefire in the abstract. If you were to ask people do you support Hamas releasing the hostages, I'm pretty sure you'd find near universal agreement there too - except among many of the protesters.
The student protesters with their incoherent demands are a fringe. Yes, they have a real issue, but just like the protesters for Occupy Wall Street and BLM they are marginalizing the very issue they care about. Slogans like "Defund the police" and "From the river to the sea" make it impossible for the mainstream to support the progressive left. By election day, Gaza will be a non-issue for mainstream America. Nothing more than a little background noise.
If your head is buried, a roar sounds like background noise.
I find it interesting how progressives are effectively cheering for a Trump victory. Like being able to say "I told you so" for a day is totally worth four years of misery - not just for women, minorities, the poor, the young, the environment, health care, but for Palestinians in particular. I never thought I'd see the day when the left is cheering for the Jared Kushner solution to the Middle East, but here we are.
It’s people like you who are not listening, and taking people’s votes for granted. I despise minority rule, and have protested it every time the GOP has allowed it. Now, the Dems are doing the very same — at their own risk. If you think I’m cheering, you are sadly mistaken. This is 💯 on Biden and the Dems. If they truly cared about the US Biden would step down. It’s that simple.
Right now this is a race between two massive egos. Trump is one, but Biden is one too. He is only in it to beat Trump again.
There is zero reason the DNC needs to put up Biden. Zero.
Let me get this straight. The progressive solution to the problems in Gaza is for Biden to resign the presidency. And then everything will turn into rainbows and unicorns for the Palestinian people. It's that simple for the left.
Never mind that President Kamala Harris will lose to Trump in nearly all fifty states. The down ballot realities will ensure that Republicans keep the Senate and likely the House too, not to mention most of the competitive State houses. An aggressively right wing pro-Israel cohort of evangelicals and allies of Bezalel Smotrich, the head of the Religious Zionist party, will then dictate US policy toward Israel. And these right wing advisors, who enthusiastically support settlements in the West Bank and the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza, are what progressives think will bring a just peace and happiness for the Palestinian people. And to this end progressives are willing to send women's rights into the dark ages, destroy the environment, and ensure millions of Americans become ensnared in poverty.
This is the progressive solution. And what all the student protestors are hoping will happen.
Correct?
If you think Biden is the only solution here, I have no words for you. There are lot of Dems who might handle things differently. Why are people so black and white in thinking? There are other solutions to the war than kill all Palestinians and roll over for terrorists. Lazy, lazy thinking.
You're right about Kamala. Biden effed her over when he put her on border policy. It was the dumbest move ever.
Again, 100% the fault of Biden and co.
If you don't understand that the choice in November is Biden or Trump, then I have no words for you.
If that inane response is all you have to what I expressed then we’re done here.
DP. They what is your solution that doesn’t involve a victory for Trump? Because that’s a non-starter.
NP. Be honest about how bad Biden is or expect many of to dismiss you as an unserious fool.
We have racism, genocide, and run of the mill police state fascism with Biden. You have yet to acknowledge that.
We had all that and worse with Trump. You have to acknowledge that.
Tell me which genocide we supplied with materiel and diplomatic support or STFU.
I don't agree with the use of "genocide" to describe what's happening in Gaza. The term was coined during WW2 to describe what Hitler did to the Jews for the crime of simply existing. What Israel is doing now is a response to an attack that killed hundreds of civilians and took hundreds more hostage.
Cutting off the food and water to a civilian population is genocide, especially when Israeli Ministers regularly use genocidal language for their intent.
That you can’t see it or refuse to see it is entirely a reflection on you.
+1
Just shocking that people cannot understand the extremism in the positions they are taking. This isn’t genocide because people are not being killed just for being? Really?
Are you paying attention? Tens of thousands of people have already been killed just for being.
No, they've been killed because Hamas is hiding behind them.
Was Hamas hiding behind the woman and her elderly mother who were committing the sin of walking across a Catholic Church courtyard in Gaza when a sniper shot them dead?
You have nothing to hide behind. The world sees you, and this time, nobody is forgetting who you are, what you stand for, and your tether to pure evil.
I don't know where Hamas was hiding, and neither do you. Hamas knew full well where to find the Israeli military yet they attacked a music festival.
Pick a lane.
EITHER Hamas was hiding behind innocent men, women, and children OR you don’t know where they are hiding at all. Your words, not mine.
Really? So really you just consume and regurgitate the Israeli propaganda to justify killing innocent civilians. The solution to uncertainty is to indiscriminately bomb and strafe a blockaded land, killing tens of thousands of innocent people in the process?
As for the festival attack, it’s obvious that the Hamas attacks were based on convenience. I’m sure they would have preferred to commit those atrocities on more IDF personnel in those moments. Otherwise, it’s silly to suggest that they should have marched right up to an IDF tank and started throwing hands at the steel like idiots. Attacks should involve strategy, right? Who attacks head-on? Just pointing out the obvious.
Anyway, you are pretty terrible at debate. I hope you perform your day job to greater effect.
I will choose to believe that you do, and that you’re an otherwise lovely person except for your pro-Israel views.
You're defending the festival attack, but sure, I'm terrible at debate.
Your argument is that Hamas should have evaded detection while invading Israel, knocked on the front door of an IDF outpost with their dukes up, and fought "like a real man!" ... and you say this while cowering like a baby girl from behind Uncle Sam's pants leg, you coward.
You're not just terrible at debate, you don't know when to take an L and shut your mouth.
Dp- please stop. You aren’t good at this. You aren’t persuasive, and you are doubling down on the terrorist attack on the music festival. Just stop.
DP. If only it was that easy to silence others when they are wiping the floor with your piss-poor Zionist propaganda!
DP. I’m not one to spout the Russian troll thing, but it’s just impossible for me to imagine you as a fellow US citizen. You’re so off-base and hateful! On the terrorists’ side?! I so hope that you’re not ever anywhere near normal, decent people.
NP. Are you a bigot? A fool? A paid hasbarist? You’re questioning an American’s Americaness because they don’t support a genocidal regime, that’s pathetic.
You’re losing and your sad selves know it.
You OTOH are supporting actual terrorists.
Whatever moron. Terrorists aren’t anywhere near as bad as a genocidal government is. Israel’s government is genocidal, and do check out the latest Smotrich video if indiscriminately bombing and starving civilians isn’t enough proof and you’re still convinced the Israelis don’t have genocidal intent.
If they were genocidal, this would have been over months ago and there would not be one Palestinian living. They have the wherewithal.
Israel knew it couldn’t get away with that so its leaders decided to wipe out as many Palestinians as possible without losing support from Washington.
Anonymous wrote:Why oh why didn’t either party put another candidate through? It would have been a slam dunk.
They were selected by primary voters. There were other candidates. The voters didn’t like them.
On the GOP side. Nobody serious ran on the Dem side because the DNC wouldn't back them (to their detriment now).
That’s ridiculous.
There was another candidate. People weren’t interested.
What serious candidate was running against Biden? You'd have to be a billionaire and self-finance your campaign. Also, you do know that in 2019 I was not able to vote for my preferred Dem candidate because we have a stupid system as were millions of others.
Yeah sweetie, there was an actual multimillionaire on the ballot. That you don’t know that, is the least surprising thing I’ve read here in ages.
Why should I bother to know who’s running in the primaries if I never get a chance to vote for them? Besides, I said billionaire. A multi-millionaire could never keep up. Obviously they weren’t viable candidates or we would have heard more about them. RFK Jr. is certainly newsworthy.
Also, I really don’t appreciate misogynists, especially Dems.
RFK Jr. may be "newsworthy" for a brief time but he is no more fit to lead this country than Trump and Biden are.
The only thing RFK Jr. will do is pull more D votes away from Biden than R votes and give Trump the White House.
Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.
LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.
There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.
But, sure carry on with the head scratching.
Everyone supports a ceasefire in the abstract. If you were to ask people do you support Hamas releasing the hostages, I'm pretty sure you'd find near universal agreement there too - except among many of the protesters.
The student protesters with their incoherent demands are a fringe. Yes, they have a real issue, but just like the protesters for Occupy Wall Street and BLM they are marginalizing the very issue they care about. Slogans like "Defund the police" and "From the river to the sea" make it impossible for the mainstream to support the progressive left. By election day, Gaza will be a non-issue for mainstream America. Nothing more than a little background noise.
If your head is buried, a roar sounds like background noise.
I find it interesting how progressives are effectively cheering for a Trump victory. Like being able to say "I told you so" for a day is totally worth four years of misery - not just for women, minorities, the poor, the young, the environment, health care, but for Palestinians in particular. I never thought I'd see the day when the left is cheering for the Jared Kushner solution to the Middle East, but here we are.
It’s people like you who are not listening, and taking people’s votes for granted. I despise minority rule, and have protested it every time the GOP has allowed it. Now, the Dems are doing the very same — at their own risk. If you think I’m cheering, you are sadly mistaken. This is 💯 on Biden and the Dems. If they truly cared about the US Biden would step down. It’s that simple.
Right now this is a race between two massive egos. Trump is one, but Biden is one too. He is only in it to beat Trump again.
There is zero reason the DNC needs to put up Biden. Zero.
Let me get this straight. The progressive solution to the problems in Gaza is for Biden to resign the presidency. And then everything will turn into rainbows and unicorns for the Palestinian people. It's that simple for the left.
Never mind that President Kamala Harris will lose to Trump in nearly all fifty states. The down ballot realities will ensure that Republicans keep the Senate and likely the House too, not to mention most of the competitive State houses. An aggressively right wing pro-Israel cohort of evangelicals and allies of Bezalel Smotrich, the head of the Religious Zionist party, will then dictate US policy toward Israel. And these right wing advisors, who enthusiastically support settlements in the West Bank and the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza, are what progressives think will bring a just peace and happiness for the Palestinian people. And to this end progressives are willing to send women's rights into the dark ages, destroy the environment, and ensure millions of Americans become ensnared in poverty.
This is the progressive solution. And what all the student protestors are hoping will happen.
Correct?
If you think Biden is the only solution here, I have no words for you. There are lot of Dems who might handle things differently. Why are people so black and white in thinking? There are other solutions to the war than kill all Palestinians and roll over for terrorists. Lazy, lazy thinking.
You're right about Kamala. Biden effed her over when he put her on border policy. It was the dumbest move ever.
Again, 100% the fault of Biden and co.
If you don't understand that the choice in November is Biden or Trump, then I have no words for you.
If that inane response is all you have to what I expressed then we’re done here.
DP. They what is your solution that doesn’t involve a victory for Trump? Because that’s a non-starter.
NP. Be honest about how bad Biden is or expect many of to dismiss you as an unserious fool.
We have racism, genocide, and run of the mill police state fascism with Biden. You have yet to acknowledge that.
We had all that and worse with Trump. You have to acknowledge that.
Tell me which genocide we supplied with materiel and diplomatic support or STFU.
I don't agree with the use of "genocide" to describe what's happening in Gaza. The term was coined during WW2 to describe what Hitler did to the Jews for the crime of simply existing. What Israel is doing now is a response to an attack that killed hundreds of civilians and took hundreds more hostage.
Cutting off the food and water to a civilian population is genocide, especially when Israeli Ministers regularly use genocidal language for their intent.
That you can’t see it or refuse to see it is entirely a reflection on you.
+1
Just shocking that people cannot understand the extremism in the positions they are taking. This isn’t genocide because people are not being killed just for being? Really?
Are you paying attention? Tens of thousands of people have already been killed just for being.
No, they've been killed because Hamas is hiding behind them.
Was Hamas hiding behind the woman and her elderly mother who were committing the sin of walking across a Catholic Church courtyard in Gaza when a sniper shot them dead?
You have nothing to hide behind. The world sees you, and this time, nobody is forgetting who you are, what you stand for, and your tether to pure evil.
I don't know where Hamas was hiding, and neither do you. Hamas knew full well where to find the Israeli military yet they attacked a music festival.
Pick a lane.
EITHER Hamas was hiding behind innocent men, women, and children OR you don’t know where they are hiding at all. Your words, not mine.
Really? So really you just consume and regurgitate the Israeli propaganda to justify killing innocent civilians. The solution to uncertainty is to indiscriminately bomb and strafe a blockaded land, killing tens of thousands of innocent people in the process?
As for the festival attack, it’s obvious that the Hamas attacks were based on convenience. I’m sure they would have preferred to commit those atrocities on more IDF personnel in those moments. Otherwise, it’s silly to suggest that they should have marched right up to an IDF tank and started throwing hands at the steel like idiots. Attacks should involve strategy, right? Who attacks head-on? Just pointing out the obvious.
Anyway, you are pretty terrible at debate. I hope you perform your day job to greater effect.
I will choose to believe that you do, and that you’re an otherwise lovely person except for your pro-Israel views.
You're defending the festival attack, but sure, I'm terrible at debate.
Your argument is that Hamas should have evaded detection while invading Israel, knocked on the front door of an IDF outpost with their dukes up, and fought "like a real man!" ... and you say this while cowering like a baby girl from behind Uncle Sam's pants leg, you coward.
You're not just terrible at debate, you don't know when to take an L and shut your mouth.
Dp- please stop. You aren’t good at this. You aren’t persuasive, and you are doubling down on the terrorist attack on the music festival. Just stop.
DP. If only it was that easy to silence others when they are wiping the floor with your piss-poor Zionist propaganda!
DP. I’m not one to spout the Russian troll thing, but it’s just impossible for me to imagine you as a fellow US citizen. You’re so off-base and hateful! On the terrorists’ side?! I so hope that you’re not ever anywhere near normal, decent people.
NP. Are you a bigot? A fool? A paid hasbarist? You’re questioning an American’s Americaness because they don’t support a genocidal regime, that’s pathetic.
You’re losing and your sad selves know it.
You OTOH are supporting actual terrorists.
Whatever moron. Terrorists aren’t anywhere near as bad as a genocidal government is. Israel’s government is genocidal, and do check out the latest Smotrich video if indiscriminately bombing and starving civilians isn’t enough proof and you’re still convinced the Israelis don’t have genocidal intent.
If they were genocidal, this would have been over months ago and there would not be one Palestinian living. They have the wherewithal.
You’re only fooling yourself with that nonsense, bigot. Nothing you say is even vaguely contradicts the idea that this is a genocide. It’s pretty clear that the human rights courts and the genocide experts are in agreement on the actual horrible intent and actions of the Israeli government. That you and the hasbara crowd can’t see the obvious is your problem.
Anonymous wrote:Why oh why didn’t either party put another candidate through? It would have been a slam dunk.
They were selected by primary voters. There were other candidates. The voters didn’t like them.
On the GOP side. Nobody serious ran on the Dem side because the DNC wouldn't back them (to their detriment now).
That’s ridiculous.
There was another candidate. People weren’t interested.
What serious candidate was running against Biden? You'd have to be a billionaire and self-finance your campaign. Also, you do know that in 2019 I was not able to vote for my preferred Dem candidate because we have a stupid system as were millions of others.
Yeah sweetie, there was an actual multimillionaire on the ballot. That you don’t know that, is the least surprising thing I’ve read here in ages.
Why should I bother to know who’s running in the primaries if I never get a chance to vote for them? Besides, I said billionaire. A multi-millionaire could never keep up. Obviously they weren’t viable candidates or we would have heard more about them. RFK Jr. is certainly newsworthy.
Also, I really don’t appreciate misogynists, especially Dems.
RFK Jr. may be "newsworthy" for a brief time but he is no more fit to lead this country than Trump and Biden are.
The only thing RFK Jr. will do is pull more D votes away from Biden than R votes and give Trump the White House.
RFK is will pull republican votes because of the issues he supports. Do you really think the RFK’s name pulls democrats? RFK was killed 55 years ago and JFK was killed 60 years ago. Few people are alive who remember that name.
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