Violence in Kindergarten- Sligo Creek Elementary

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Anonymous wrote:And the person who was injured yesterday and has staples in her head is a paraeducator, not a classroom teacher.

Then she wasn't doing her job, assuming she was in room to help with that student.

If, of course, any part of this story is true at all.

What in the f?

Why would you assume she was in the room as a 1:1 to that student?

Why would you assume that someone doing their job as a 1:1 aide can’t be harmed by a kid?

Are we all living on the same planet where a 6 year old shot a teacher last year or were you at your home base on Mars for that?

Why? Because MCPS's standard for getting a 1:1 is far less than what has been described in this thread.

And an adult that is paying attention should be more than capable of preventing a 6 year old from obtaining and throwing an apparently heavy object. Again, if this story is actually a true story, which seems less and less likely.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You think it is so easy that you stand next to the child and say -no, please stop, go back to your seat - and the out of control child automatically follows your directions?

That’s not how it works -you are trying to block getting bitten, kicked and hit at the same time to you are trying to prevent other kids from being attacked. You can’t physically restrain the out of control child like you could your own son or daughter. You really can’t touch the out of control child either. How do you prevent the child from obtaining heavy objects when the room is literally full of heavy objects. So the kid picks up a chair and you grab the chair, then get kicked in the shins at the same time and try not to fall over or get kicked again or stomped on. Meanwhile the kid rushes away from you and grabs a stapler and chucks it. Or a water bottle or heavy book. Or a pencil and tries to poke another kid.

It’s ridiculous you think it is so easy and keep denying teachers and staff members are being seriously assaulted all over the country by elementary aged students.

Very creative. But again, we're talking about a kindergartener. An adult assigned to a child should be able to prevent that child from obtaining and throwing an object like a water bottle. And a good paraeducator would be able to guide the child to calming strategies before a situation escalates to that level. That's literally the job.

Since it’s so easy you try it.

I didn't say it was easy-- I said it was the job. Unfortunately, MCPS does a terrible job training paraeducators, and makes minimal efforts to appropriately pair paraeducators with students based on their skills and needs.

Why are you so determined to underplay this, or blame the victims? I'm flummoxed about your motivations here.

I'm not underplaying it. But the fault here rests with MCPS not providing appropriate supports in the classroom, not with the 6-year-old child that some have been demonizing.

Got it. It’s your child. That’s why you’re so defensive. It’s almost impossible to get a 1:1 on an IEP AND HIRE SOMEONE FOR THE 1:1 (most 1:1 positions are considered critical staffing, which doesn’t come with benefits or paid holidays…why would you want a job w/o benefits when you could get hired as a regular para with benefits?). It’s likely the para in the room was not specifically a 1:1 and was helping multiple students at the time. Also, as pointed out earlier, you were not allowed to restrain a child or discipline in any way (per MCPS must speak in positive statements, instead of saying “no running in the halls please” we have been told to state it in the positive, “hallways are for walking.”

I'm not sure what your point is other than demonstrating other ways MCPS is failing kids with special needs. That should be the lesson here.

MCPS is absolutely failing kids with special needs…not to mention failing teachers who are quitting/leaving because of the lack of support and being stretched way too thin. Most families are not able to hire advocates to hold MCPS accountable, and unfortunately many MCPS teachers are reaching their breaking point and are tapping out.

Then why are there people here outraged at a 6-year-old instead of outraged at a school district with a $3.3 billion budget?

I have read this entire thread and have not seen anyone advocate for the child in question being locked up, nor have I seen anyone outraged at the child themselves. I've seen frustration at the school administration, and frustration at the situation but not at the kid.

It's clear to anyone who has seen this situation play out over the course of the school year that this is a child who is being failed by their current placement. A mainstream classroom with 25 other kids is simply not the right place for a child who is so disregulated that they routinely turned to violence. If the only thing you know about what's happening here is this thread, you may not know that several children have already been injured this year. For many, their first introduction to public school has been marked by violence, insecurity in terms of who their teacher is, and random adults rotating through the classroom trying to get this one child's needs met.

I think some parents in the classroom are upset that their kids kindergarten education has been disrupted, and that can exist simultaneously with compassion for a child whose needs are so great right now that they need a different sort of classroom environment until they can get to a place where they can learn together with their peers.

How did you miss the comments about calling the police or CPS? Or, as you are also doing, calls to send the child to a more restrictive environment before even attempting to provide proper services and supports in the general classroom setting?

Calling the police or CPS is the correct thing to do with a violent assault. It is a great way to start a paper trail and get parents and admin to start doing something about a violent student. It should be done every single time.

And while you are advocating for your hellion to stay and ruin the education of 25 other students and crush a teacher's soul, those same people can advocate for their children, to include getting said violent kid out of their general environment and probably don't care where they go, but they don't deserve to stay here.

That's not CPS's job..

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Anonymous wrote:And the person who was injured yesterday and has staples in her head is a paraeducator, not a classroom teacher.

Then she wasn't doing her job, assuming she was in room to help with that student.

If, of course, any part of this story is true at all.

What in the f?

Why would you assume she was in the room as a 1:1 to that student?

Why would you assume that someone doing their job as a 1:1 aide can’t be harmed by a kid?

Are we all living on the same planet where a 6 year old shot a teacher last year or were you at your home base on Mars for that?

Why? Because MCPS's standard for getting a 1:1 is far less than what has been described in this thread.

And an adult that is paying attention should be more than capable of preventing a 6 year old from obtaining and throwing an apparently heavy object. Again, if this story is actually a true story, which seems less and less likely.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You think it is so easy that you stand next to the child and say -no, please stop, go back to your seat - and the out of control child automatically follows your directions?

That’s not how it works -you are trying to block getting bitten, kicked and hit at the same time to you are trying to prevent other kids from being attacked. You can’t physically restrain the out of control child like you could your own son or daughter. You really can’t touch the out of control child either. How do you prevent the child from obtaining heavy objects when the room is literally full of heavy objects. So the kid picks up a chair and you grab the chair, then get kicked in the shins at the same time and try not to fall over or get kicked again or stomped on. Meanwhile the kid rushes away from you and grabs a stapler and chucks it. Or a water bottle or heavy book. Or a pencil and tries to poke another kid.

It’s ridiculous you think it is so easy and keep denying teachers and staff members are being seriously assaulted all over the country by elementary aged students.

Very creative. But again, we're talking about a kindergartener. An adult assigned to a child should be able to prevent that child from obtaining and throwing an object like a water bottle. And a good paraeducator would be able to guide the child to calming strategies before a situation escalates to that level. That's literally the job.

Since it’s so easy you try it.

I didn't say it was easy-- I said it was the job. Unfortunately, MCPS does a terrible job training paraeducators, and makes minimal efforts to appropriately pair paraeducators with students based on their skills and needs.

Why are you so determined to underplay this, or blame the victims? I'm flummoxed about your motivations here.

I'm not underplaying it. But the fault here rests with MCPS not providing appropriate supports in the classroom, not with the 6-year-old child that some have been demonizing.

Got it. It’s your child. That’s why you’re so defensive. It’s almost impossible to get a 1:1 on an IEP AND HIRE SOMEONE FOR THE 1:1 (most 1:1 positions are considered critical staffing, which doesn’t come with benefits or paid holidays…why would you want a job w/o benefits when you could get hired as a regular para with benefits?). It’s likely the para in the room was not specifically a 1:1 and was helping multiple students at the time. Also, as pointed out earlier, you were not allowed to restrain a child or discipline in any way (per MCPS must speak in positive statements, instead of saying “no running in the halls please” we have been told to state it in the positive, “hallways are for walking.”

I'm not sure what your point is other than demonstrating other ways MCPS is failing kids with special needs. That should be the lesson here.

MCPS is absolutely failing kids with special needs…not to mention failing teachers who are quitting/leaving because of the lack of support and being stretched way too thin. Most families are not able to hire advocates to hold MCPS accountable, and unfortunately many MCPS teachers are reaching their breaking point and are tapping out.

Then why are there people here outraged at a 6-year-old instead of outraged at a school district with a $3.3 billion budget?

I have read this entire thread and have not seen anyone advocate for the child in question being locked up, nor have I seen anyone outraged at the child themselves. I've seen frustration at the school administration, and frustration at the situation but not at the kid.

It's clear to anyone who has seen this situation play out over the course of the school year that this is a child who is being failed by their current placement. A mainstream classroom with 25 other kids is simply not the right place for a child who is so disregulated that they routinely turned to violence. If the only thing you know about what's happening here is this thread, you may not know that several children have already been injured this year. For many, their first introduction to public school has been marked by violence, insecurity in terms of who their teacher is, and random adults rotating through the classroom trying to get this one child's needs met.

I think some parents in the classroom are upset that their kids kindergarten education has been disrupted, and that can exist simultaneously with compassion for a child whose needs are so great right now that they need a different sort of classroom environment until they can get to a place where they can learn together with their peers.

How did you miss the comments about calling the police or CPS? Or, as you are also doing, calls to send the child to a more restrictive environment before even attempting to provide proper services and supports in the general classroom setting?

Calling the police or CPS is the correct thing to do with a violent assault. It is a great way to start a paper trail and get parents and admin to start doing something about a violent student. It should be done every single time.

And while you are advocating for your hellion to stay and ruin the education of 25 other students and crush a teacher's soul, those same people can advocate for their children, to include getting said violent kid out of their general environment and probably don't care where they go, but they don't deserve to stay here.

Thank you for illustrating my point. I'm not sure how the pp missed posts like yours.

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Anonymous wrote:And the person who was injured yesterday and has staples in her head is a paraeducator, not a classroom teacher.

Then she wasn't doing her job, assuming she was in room to help with that student.

If, of course, any part of this story is true at all.

What in the f?

Why would you assume she was in the room as a 1:1 to that student?

Why would you assume that someone doing their job as a 1:1 aide can’t be harmed by a kid?

Are we all living on the same planet where a 6 year old shot a teacher last year or were you at your home base on Mars for that?

Why? Because MCPS's standard for getting a 1:1 is far less than what has been described in this thread.

And an adult that is paying attention should be more than capable of preventing a 6 year old from obtaining and throwing an apparently heavy object. Again, if this story is actually a true story, which seems less and less likely.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You think it is so easy that you stand next to the child and say -no, please stop, go back to your seat - and the out of control child automatically follows your directions?

That’s not how it works -you are trying to block getting bitten, kicked and hit at the same time to you are trying to prevent other kids from being attacked. You can’t physically restrain the out of control child like you could your own son or daughter. You really can’t touch the out of control child either. How do you prevent the child from obtaining heavy objects when the room is literally full of heavy objects. So the kid picks up a chair and you grab the chair, then get kicked in the shins at the same time and try not to fall over or get kicked again or stomped on. Meanwhile the kid rushes away from you and grabs a stapler and chucks it. Or a water bottle or heavy book. Or a pencil and tries to poke another kid.

It’s ridiculous you think it is so easy and keep denying teachers and staff members are being seriously assaulted all over the country by elementary aged students.

Very creative. But again, we're talking about a kindergartener. An adult assigned to a child should be able to prevent that child from obtaining and throwing an object like a water bottle. And a good paraeducator would be able to guide the child to calming strategies before a situation escalates to that level. That's literally the job.

Since it’s so easy you try it.

I didn't say it was easy-- I said it was the job. Unfortunately, MCPS does a terrible job training paraeducators, and makes minimal efforts to appropriately pair paraeducators with students based on their skills and needs.

Why are you so determined to underplay this, or blame the victims? I'm flummoxed about your motivations here.

I'm not underplaying it. But the fault here rests with MCPS not providing appropriate supports in the classroom, not with the 6-year-old child that some have been demonizing.

Got it. It’s your child. That’s why you’re so defensive. It’s almost impossible to get a 1:1 on an IEP AND HIRE SOMEONE FOR THE 1:1 (most 1:1 positions are considered critical staffing, which doesn’t come with benefits or paid holidays…why would you want a job w/o benefits when you could get hired as a regular para with benefits?). It’s likely the para in the room was not specifically a 1:1 and was helping multiple students at the time. Also, as pointed out earlier, you were not allowed to restrain a child or discipline in any way (per MCPS must speak in positive statements, instead of saying “no running in the halls please” we have been told to state it in the positive, “hallways are for walking.”

I'm not sure what your point is other than demonstrating other ways MCPS is failing kids with special needs. That should be the lesson here.

MCPS is absolutely failing kids with special needs…not to mention failing teachers who are quitting/leaving because of the lack of support and being stretched way too thin. Most families are not able to hire advocates to hold MCPS accountable, and unfortunately many MCPS teachers are reaching their breaking point and are tapping out.

Then why are there people here outraged at a 6-year-old instead of outraged at a school district with a $3.3 billion budget?

I have read this entire thread and have not seen anyone advocate for the child in question being locked up, nor have I seen anyone outraged at the child themselves. I've seen frustration at the school administration, and frustration at the situation but not at the kid.

It's clear to anyone who has seen this situation play out over the course of the school year that this is a child who is being failed by their current placement. A mainstream classroom with 25 other kids is simply not the right place for a child who is so disregulated that they routinely turned to violence. If the only thing you know about what's happening here is this thread, you may not know that several children have already been injured this year. For many, their first introduction to public school has been marked by violence, insecurity in terms of who their teacher is, and random adults rotating through the classroom trying to get this one child's needs met.

I think some parents in the classroom are upset that their kids kindergarten education has been disrupted, and that can exist simultaneously with compassion for a child whose needs are so great right now that they need a different sort of classroom environment until they can get to a place where they can learn together with their peers.

How did you miss the comments about calling the police or CPS? Or, as you are also doing, calls to send the child to a more restrictive environment before even attempting to provide proper services and supports in the general classroom setting?

Yes, people want the child to get a better placement with services and support that works, not magically forcing the child to fit into a group environment that is not appropriate for them.

I don't think anyone here is claiming this child was receiving appropriate supports in the general education classroom, so it isn't clear whether or not gen-ed is the correct placement. Are you familiar with how LRE is supposed to be determined?

WADR, you're the one not familiar with LRE and how it plays out for kids like this.

Yes, MCPS regularly and flagrantly violates IDEA. But legally it is quite clear that if supports and services can be effective for a child in the gen-ed environment, then that is LRE.

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Anonymous wrote:And the person who was injured yesterday and has staples in her head is a paraeducator, not a classroom teacher.

Then she wasn't doing her job, assuming she was in room to help with that student.

If, of course, any part of this story is true at all.

What in the f?

Why would you assume she was in the room as a 1:1 to that student?

Why would you assume that someone doing their job as a 1:1 aide can’t be harmed by a kid?

Are we all living on the same planet where a 6 year old shot a teacher last year or were you at your home base on Mars for that?

Why? Because MCPS's standard for getting a 1:1 is far less than what has been described in this thread.

And an adult that is paying attention should be more than capable of preventing a 6 year old from obtaining and throwing an apparently heavy object. Again, if this story is actually a true story, which seems less and less likely.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You think it is so easy that you stand next to the child and say -no, please stop, go back to your seat - and the out of control child automatically follows your directions?

That’s not how it works -you are trying to block getting bitten, kicked and hit at the same time to you are trying to prevent other kids from being attacked. You can’t physically restrain the out of control child like you could your own son or daughter. You really can’t touch the out of control child either. How do you prevent the child from obtaining heavy objects when the room is literally full of heavy objects. So the kid picks up a chair and you grab the chair, then get kicked in the shins at the same time and try not to fall over or get kicked again or stomped on. Meanwhile the kid rushes away from you and grabs a stapler and chucks it. Or a water bottle or heavy book. Or a pencil and tries to poke another kid.

It’s ridiculous you think it is so easy and keep denying teachers and staff members are being seriously assaulted all over the country by elementary aged students.

Very creative. But again, we're talking about a kindergartener. An adult assigned to a child should be able to prevent that child from obtaining and throwing an object like a water bottle. And a good paraeducator would be able to guide the child to calming strategies before a situation escalates to that level. That's literally the job.

Since it’s so easy you try it.

I didn't say it was easy-- I said it was the job. Unfortunately, MCPS does a terrible job training paraeducators, and makes minimal efforts to appropriately pair paraeducators with students based on their skills and needs.

Why are you so determined to underplay this, or blame the victims? I'm flummoxed about your motivations here.

I'm not underplaying it. But the fault here rests with MCPS not providing appropriate supports in the classroom, not with the 6-year-old child that some have been demonizing.

Got it. It’s your child. That’s why you’re so defensive. It’s almost impossible to get a 1:1 on an IEP AND HIRE SOMEONE FOR THE 1:1 (most 1:1 positions are considered critical staffing, which doesn’t come with benefits or paid holidays…why would you want a job w/o benefits when you could get hired as a regular para with benefits?). It’s likely the para in the room was not specifically a 1:1 and was helping multiple students at the time. Also, as pointed out earlier, you were not allowed to restrain a child or discipline in any way (per MCPS must speak in positive statements, instead of saying “no running in the halls please” we have been told to state it in the positive, “hallways are for walking.”

I'm not sure what your point is other than demonstrating other ways MCPS is failing kids with special needs. That should be the lesson here.

MCPS is absolutely failing kids with special needs…not to mention failing teachers who are quitting/leaving because of the lack of support and being stretched way too thin. Most families are not able to hire advocates to hold MCPS accountable, and unfortunately many MCPS teachers are reaching their breaking point and are tapping out.

Then why are there people here outraged at a 6-year-old instead of outraged at a school district with a $3.3 billion budget?

I have read this entire thread and have not seen anyone advocate for the child in question being locked up, nor have I seen anyone outraged at the child themselves. I've seen frustration at the school administration, and frustration at the situation but not at the kid.

It's clear to anyone who has seen this situation play out over the course of the school year that this is a child who is being failed by their current placement. A mainstream classroom with 25 other kids is simply not the right place for a child who is so disregulated that they routinely turned to violence. If the only thing you know about what's happening here is this thread, you may not know that several children have already been injured this year. For many, their first introduction to public school has been marked by violence, insecurity in terms of who their teacher is, and random adults rotating through the classroom trying to get this one child's needs met.

I think some parents in the classroom are upset that their kids kindergarten education has been disrupted, and that can exist simultaneously with compassion for a child whose needs are so great right now that they need a different sort of classroom environment until they can get to a place where they can learn together with their peers.

How did you miss the comments about calling the police or CPS? Or, as you are also doing, calls to send the child to a more restrictive environment before even attempting to provide proper services and supports in the general classroom setting?

Yes, people want the child to get a better placement with services and support that works, not magically forcing the child to fit into a group environment that is not appropriate for them.

I don't think anyone here is claiming this child was receiving appropriate supports in the general education classroom, so it isn't clear whether or not gen-ed is the correct placement. Are you familiar with how LRE is supposed to be determined?

WADR, you're the one not familiar with LRE and how it plays out for kids like this.

Yes, MCPS regularly and flagrantly violates IDEA. But legally it is quite clear that if supports and services can be effective for a child in the gen-ed environment, then that is LRE.

I don't disagree that this is the substance of IDEA, but I do disagree that our society should make this the standard. Any child who needs 1:1 support in order to be in a classroom does not belong there. Bring back special schools that could both meet the needs of these kids and make learning possible for everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:And the person who was injured yesterday and has staples in her head is a paraeducator, not a classroom teacher.

Then she wasn't doing her job, assuming she was in room to help with that student.

If, of course, any part of this story is true at all.

What in the f?

Why would you assume she was in the room as a 1:1 to that student?

Why would you assume that someone doing their job as a 1:1 aide can’t be harmed by a kid?

Are we all living on the same planet where a 6 year old shot a teacher last year or were you at your home base on Mars for that?

Why? Because MCPS's standard for getting a 1:1 is far less than what has been described in this thread.

And an adult that is paying attention should be more than capable of preventing a 6 year old from obtaining and throwing an apparently heavy object. Again, if this story is actually a true story, which seems less and less likely.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You think it is so easy that you stand next to the child and say -no, please stop, go back to your seat - and the out of control child automatically follows your directions?

That’s not how it works -you are trying to block getting bitten, kicked and hit at the same time to you are trying to prevent other kids from being attacked. You can’t physically restrain the out of control child like you could your own son or daughter. You really can’t touch the out of control child either. How do you prevent the child from obtaining heavy objects when the room is literally full of heavy objects. So the kid picks up a chair and you grab the chair, then get kicked in the shins at the same time and try not to fall over or get kicked again or stomped on. Meanwhile the kid rushes away from you and grabs a stapler and chucks it. Or a water bottle or heavy book. Or a pencil and tries to poke another kid.

It’s ridiculous you think it is so easy and keep denying teachers and staff members are being seriously assaulted all over the country by elementary aged students.

Very creative. But again, we're talking about a kindergartener. An adult assigned to a child should be able to prevent that child from obtaining and throwing an object like a water bottle. And a good paraeducator would be able to guide the child to calming strategies before a situation escalates to that level. That's literally the job.

Since it’s so easy you try it.

I didn't say it was easy-- I said it was the job. Unfortunately, MCPS does a terrible job training paraeducators, and makes minimal efforts to appropriately pair paraeducators with students based on their skills and needs.

Why are you so determined to underplay this, or blame the victims? I'm flummoxed about your motivations here.

I'm not underplaying it. But the fault here rests with MCPS not providing appropriate supports in the classroom, not with the 6-year-old child that some have been demonizing.

Got it. It’s your child. That’s why you’re so defensive. It’s almost impossible to get a 1:1 on an IEP AND HIRE SOMEONE FOR THE 1:1 (most 1:1 positions are considered critical staffing, which doesn’t come with benefits or paid holidays…why would you want a job w/o benefits when you could get hired as a regular para with benefits?). It’s likely the para in the room was not specifically a 1:1 and was helping multiple students at the time. Also, as pointed out earlier, you were not allowed to restrain a child or discipline in any way (per MCPS must speak in positive statements, instead of saying “no running in the halls please” we have been told to state it in the positive, “hallways are for walking.”

I'm not sure what your point is other than demonstrating other ways MCPS is failing kids with special needs. That should be the lesson here.

MCPS is absolutely failing kids with special needs…not to mention failing teachers who are quitting/leaving because of the lack of support and being stretched way too thin. Most families are not able to hire advocates to hold MCPS accountable, and unfortunately many MCPS teachers are reaching their breaking point and are tapping out.

Then why are there people here outraged at a 6-year-old instead of outraged at a school district with a $3.3 billion budget?

I have read this entire thread and have not seen anyone advocate for the child in question being locked up, nor have I seen anyone outraged at the child themselves. I've seen frustration at the school administration, and frustration at the situation but not at the kid.

It's clear to anyone who has seen this situation play out over the course of the school year that this is a child who is being failed by their current placement. A mainstream classroom with 25 other kids is simply not the right place for a child who is so disregulated that they routinely turned to violence. If the only thing you know about what's happening here is this thread, you may not know that several children have already been injured this year. For many, their first introduction to public school has been marked by violence, insecurity in terms of who their teacher is, and random adults rotating through the classroom trying to get this one child's needs met.

I think some parents in the classroom are upset that their kids kindergarten education has been disrupted, and that can exist simultaneously with compassion for a child whose needs are so great right now that they need a different sort of classroom environment until they can get to a place where they can learn together with their peers.

How did you miss the comments about calling the police or CPS? Or, as you are also doing, calls to send the child to a more restrictive environment before even attempting to provide proper services and supports in the general classroom setting?

Yes, people want the child to get a better placement with services and support that works, not magically forcing the child to fit into a group environment that is not appropriate for them.

I don't think anyone here is claiming this child was receiving appropriate supports in the general education classroom, so it isn't clear whether or not gen-ed is the correct placement. Are you familiar with how LRE is supposed to be determined?

WADR, you're the one not familiar with LRE and how it plays out for kids like this.

Yes, MCPS regularly and flagrantly violates IDEA. But legally it is quite clear that if supports and services can be effective for a child in the gen-ed environment, then that is LRE.

I don't disagree that this is the substance of IDEA, but I do disagree that our society should make this the standard. Any child who needs 1:1 support in order to be in a classroom does not belong there. Bring back special schools that could both meet the needs of these kids and make learning possible for everyone else.

Even if the 1:1 would be effective in a gen-ed classroom? Why?

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Anonymous wrote:And the person who was injured yesterday and has staples in her head is a paraeducator, not a classroom teacher.

Then she wasn't doing her job, assuming she was in room to help with that student.

If, of course, any part of this story is true at all.

What in the f?

Why would you assume she was in the room as a 1:1 to that student?

Why would you assume that someone doing their job as a 1:1 aide can’t be harmed by a kid?

Are we all living on the same planet where a 6 year old shot a teacher last year or were you at your home base on Mars for that?

Why? Because MCPS's standard for getting a 1:1 is far less than what has been described in this thread.

And an adult that is paying attention should be more than capable of preventing a 6 year old from obtaining and throwing an apparently heavy object. Again, if this story is actually a true story, which seems less and less likely.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You think it is so easy that you stand next to the child and say -no, please stop, go back to your seat - and the out of control child automatically follows your directions?

That’s not how it works -you are trying to block getting bitten, kicked and hit at the same time to you are trying to prevent other kids from being attacked. You can’t physically restrain the out of control child like you could your own son or daughter. You really can’t touch the out of control child either. How do you prevent the child from obtaining heavy objects when the room is literally full of heavy objects. So the kid picks up a chair and you grab the chair, then get kicked in the shins at the same time and try not to fall over or get kicked again or stomped on. Meanwhile the kid rushes away from you and grabs a stapler and chucks it. Or a water bottle or heavy book. Or a pencil and tries to poke another kid.

It’s ridiculous you think it is so easy and keep denying teachers and staff members are being seriously assaulted all over the country by elementary aged students.

Very creative. But again, we're talking about a kindergartener. An adult assigned to a child should be able to prevent that child from obtaining and throwing an object like a water bottle. And a good paraeducator would be able to guide the child to calming strategies before a situation escalates to that level. That's literally the job.

Since it’s so easy you try it.

I didn't say it was easy-- I said it was the job. Unfortunately, MCPS does a terrible job training paraeducators, and makes minimal efforts to appropriately pair paraeducators with students based on their skills and needs.

Why are you so determined to underplay this, or blame the victims? I'm flummoxed about your motivations here.

I'm not underplaying it. But the fault here rests with MCPS not providing appropriate supports in the classroom, not with the 6-year-old child that some have been demonizing.

Got it. It’s your child. That’s why you’re so defensive. It’s almost impossible to get a 1:1 on an IEP AND HIRE SOMEONE FOR THE 1:1 (most 1:1 positions are considered critical staffing, which doesn’t come with benefits or paid holidays…why would you want a job w/o benefits when you could get hired as a regular para with benefits?). It’s likely the para in the room was not specifically a 1:1 and was helping multiple students at the time. Also, as pointed out earlier, you were not allowed to restrain a child or discipline in any way (per MCPS must speak in positive statements, instead of saying “no running in the halls please” we have been told to state it in the positive, “hallways are for walking.”

I'm not sure what your point is other than demonstrating other ways MCPS is failing kids with special needs. That should be the lesson here.

MCPS is absolutely failing kids with special needs…not to mention failing teachers who are quitting/leaving because of the lack of support and being stretched way too thin. Most families are not able to hire advocates to hold MCPS accountable, and unfortunately many MCPS teachers are reaching their breaking point and are tapping out.

Then why are there people here outraged at a 6-year-old instead of outraged at a school district with a $3.3 billion budget?

I have read this entire thread and have not seen anyone advocate for the child in question being locked up, nor have I seen anyone outraged at the child themselves. I've seen frustration at the school administration, and frustration at the situation but not at the kid.

It's clear to anyone who has seen this situation play out over the course of the school year that this is a child who is being failed by their current placement. A mainstream classroom with 25 other kids is simply not the right place for a child who is so disregulated that they routinely turned to violence. If the only thing you know about what's happening here is this thread, you may not know that several children have already been injured this year. For many, their first introduction to public school has been marked by violence, insecurity in terms of who their teacher is, and random adults rotating through the classroom trying to get this one child's needs met.

I think some parents in the classroom are upset that their kids kindergarten education has been disrupted, and that can exist simultaneously with compassion for a child whose needs are so great right now that they need a different sort of classroom environment until they can get to a place where they can learn together with their peers.

How did you miss the comments about calling the police or CPS? Or, as you are also doing, calls to send the child to a more restrictive environment before even attempting to provide proper services and supports in the general classroom setting?

Yes, people want the child to get a better placement with services and support that works, not magically forcing the child to fit into a group environment that is not appropriate for them.

I don't think anyone here is claiming this child was receiving appropriate supports in the general education classroom, so it isn't clear whether or not gen-ed is the correct placement. Are you familiar with how LRE is supposed to be determined?

WADR, you're the one not familiar with LRE and how it plays out for kids like this.

Yes, MCPS regularly and flagrantly violates IDEA. But legally it is quite clear that if supports and services can be effective for a child in the gen-ed environment, then that is LRE.

I don't disagree that this is the substance of IDEA, but I do disagree that our society should make this the standard. Any child who needs 1:1 support in order to be in a classroom does not belong there. Bring back special schools that could both meet the needs of these kids and make learning possible for everyone else.

Even if the 1:1 would be effective in a gen-ed classroom? Why?

A 1:1 for a student that has a serious medical issue or needs the work drastically modified but benefits from the social aspects like a student who is cognitively low but well behaved might make sense. But for a student with a serious behavior issue that is physically attacking other students and multiple teachers so seriously that others are getting concussions and needing multiple stapes in the head then a 1:1 is not appropriate. It is not a natural environment for an adult to follow a student around and essentially do whatever the student wants. The student realizes they run the show and now have an adult who does what they want. The student has learned there is absolutely nothing the school to do to them, they can do whatever they want. That is a scary feeling for a student. The student wants to leave the class and wander around or not return from the playground, well now there is an adult "supervising" the student. The student makes a mess of the classroom and the aid ends up picking it up. The student wants to rage in the classroom the aide helps evacuate the class. That is a crazy amount of power that is granted to a 6 year old. It is just appeasing an out of control student acting like a toddler. It is much more restrictive having an adult follow student around than a student being in a class for student who are emotionally disturbed with 6 or 7 other students.

Unless the student is put on medication to treat the impulsiveness and aggression, having a one to one really never works out for really out of control students. It is really tragic that so many other students have to suffer watching their teacher and classmates get attacked, never knowing what is going to set off the out of control kid. So many kids end up terrified, with nightmares, they start acting out at home where it is safe, etc. There are some resilient students who can cope but so many really aren't coping. Imaging going to work in an office and you have a co-worker who attacks others. How would you feel about going to work everyday?

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Anonymous wrote:And the person who was injured yesterday and has staples in her head is a paraeducator, not a classroom teacher.

Then she wasn't doing her job, assuming she was in room to help with that student.

If, of course, any part of this story is true at all.

What in the f?

Why would you assume she was in the room as a 1:1 to that student?

Why would you assume that someone doing their job as a 1:1 aide can’t be harmed by a kid?

Are we all living on the same planet where a 6 year old shot a teacher last year or were you at your home base on Mars for that?

Why? Because MCPS's standard for getting a 1:1 is far less than what has been described in this thread.

And an adult that is paying attention should be more than capable of preventing a 6 year old from obtaining and throwing an apparently heavy object. Again, if this story is actually a true story, which seems less and less likely.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You think it is so easy that you stand next to the child and say -no, please stop, go back to your seat - and the out of control child automatically follows your directions?

That’s not how it works -you are trying to block getting bitten, kicked and hit at the same time to you are trying to prevent other kids from being attacked. You can’t physically restrain the out of control child like you could your own son or daughter. You really can’t touch the out of control child either. How do you prevent the child from obtaining heavy objects when the room is literally full of heavy objects. So the kid picks up a chair and you grab the chair, then get kicked in the shins at the same time and try not to fall over or get kicked again or stomped on. Meanwhile the kid rushes away from you and grabs a stapler and chucks it. Or a water bottle or heavy book. Or a pencil and tries to poke another kid.

It’s ridiculous you think it is so easy and keep denying teachers and staff members are being seriously assaulted all over the country by elementary aged students.

Very creative. But again, we're talking about a kindergartener. An adult assigned to a child should be able to prevent that child from obtaining and throwing an object like a water bottle. And a good paraeducator would be able to guide the child to calming strategies before a situation escalates to that level. That's literally the job.

Since it’s so easy you try it.

I didn't say it was easy-- I said it was the job. Unfortunately, MCPS does a terrible job training paraeducators, and makes minimal efforts to appropriately pair paraeducators with students based on their skills and needs.

Why are you so determined to underplay this, or blame the victims? I'm flummoxed about your motivations here.

I'm not underplaying it. But the fault here rests with MCPS not providing appropriate supports in the classroom, not with the 6-year-old child that some have been demonizing.

Got it. It’s your child. That’s why you’re so defensive. It’s almost impossible to get a 1:1 on an IEP AND HIRE SOMEONE FOR THE 1:1 (most 1:1 positions are considered critical staffing, which doesn’t come with benefits or paid holidays…why would you want a job w/o benefits when you could get hired as a regular para with benefits?). It’s likely the para in the room was not specifically a 1:1 and was helping multiple students at the time. Also, as pointed out earlier, you were not allowed to restrain a child or discipline in any way (per MCPS must speak in positive statements, instead of saying “no running in the halls please” we have been told to state it in the positive, “hallways are for walking.”

I'm not sure what your point is other than demonstrating other ways MCPS is failing kids with special needs. That should be the lesson here.

MCPS is absolutely failing kids with special needs…not to mention failing teachers who are quitting/leaving because of the lack of support and being stretched way too thin. Most families are not able to hire advocates to hold MCPS accountable, and unfortunately many MCPS teachers are reaching their breaking point and are tapping out.

Then why are there people here outraged at a 6-year-old instead of outraged at a school district with a $3.3 billion budget?

I have read this entire thread and have not seen anyone advocate for the child in question being locked up, nor have I seen anyone outraged at the child themselves. I've seen frustration at the school administration, and frustration at the situation but not at the kid.

It's clear to anyone who has seen this situation play out over the course of the school year that this is a child who is being failed by their current placement. A mainstream classroom with 25 other kids is simply not the right place for a child who is so disregulated that they routinely turned to violence. If the only thing you know about what's happening here is this thread, you may not know that several children have already been injured this year. For many, their first introduction to public school has been marked by violence, insecurity in terms of who their teacher is, and random adults rotating through the classroom trying to get this one child's needs met.

I think some parents in the classroom are upset that their kids kindergarten education has been disrupted, and that can exist simultaneously with compassion for a child whose needs are so great right now that they need a different sort of classroom environment until they can get to a place where they can learn together with their peers.

How did you miss the comments about calling the police or CPS? Or, as you are also doing, calls to send the child to a more restrictive environment before even attempting to provide proper services and supports in the general classroom setting?

Yes, people want the child to get a better placement with services and support that works, not magically forcing the child to fit into a group environment that is not appropriate for them.

I don't think anyone here is claiming this child was receiving appropriate supports in the general education classroom, so it isn't clear whether or not gen-ed is the correct placement. Are you familiar with how LRE is supposed to be determined?

WADR, you're the one not familiar with LRE and how it plays out for kids like this.

Yes, MCPS regularly and flagrantly violates IDEA. But legally it is quite clear that if supports and services can be effective for a child in the gen-ed environment, then that is LRE.

I don't disagree that this is the substance of IDEA, but I do disagree that our society should make this the standard. Any child who needs 1:1 support in order to be in a classroom does not belong there. Bring back special schools that could both meet the needs of these kids and make learning possible for everyone else.

Even if the 1:1 would be effective in a gen-ed classroom? Why?

A 1:1 for a student that has a serious medical issue or needs the work drastically modified but benefits from the social aspects like a student who is cognitively low but well behaved might make sense. But for a student with a serious behavior issue that is physically attacking other students and multiple teachers so seriously that others are getting concussions and needing multiple stapes in the head then a 1:1 is not appropriate. It is not a natural environment for an adult to follow a student around and essentially do whatever the student wants. The student realizes they run the show and now have an adult who does what they want. The student has learned there is absolutely nothing the school to do to them, they can do whatever they want. That is a scary feeling for a student. The student wants to leave the class and wander around or not return from the playground, well now there is an adult "supervising" the student. The student makes a mess of the classroom and the aid ends up picking it up. The student wants to rage in the classroom the aide helps evacuate the class. That is a crazy amount of power that is granted to a 6 year old. It is just appeasing an out of control student acting like a toddler. It is much more restrictive having an adult follow student around than a student being in a class for student who are emotionally disturbed with 6 or 7 other students.

Unless the student is put on medication to treat the impulsiveness and aggression, having a one to one really never works out for really out of control students. It is really tragic that so many other students have to suffer watching their teacher and classmates get attacked, never knowing what is going to set off the out of control kid. So many kids end up terrified, with nightmares, they start acting out at home where it is safe, etc. There are some resilient students who can cope but so many really aren't coping. Imaging going to work in an office and you have a co-worker who attacks others. How would you feel about going to work everyday?

You seem to be imagining scenarios where a 1:1 doesn't work. What if it does? And how is it more restrictive when the alternative for a lower elementary child would be a self-contained program where they'd either still have a 1:1 or perhaps a 1:2?

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NP. In my kid's ES, there are few kids with behavior issues that have shadows. These kids came to the school as new students for 3rd, 4th and 5th grade from sone other schools. One of these kids has punched another kid at recess, uses racist terms casually, caused lockdowns in school and runs out of the classroom, tries to run out of the school and all teachers in nearby classrooms have to rush to detain him. He is not in my kid's grade.

Three are 2 in my kid's class and out of them, one is low key behavior issues and looks like if gets a break during meltdowns he is is fine. The other one apparently uses swear words, racist terms, in front of kindergarten kids too, and gets into fights routinely. He disrespects the shadow person who stays with him in class.

The school pretty much lets these kids do whatever they want and the shadow has to follow them around. If they want to walk out of class, they are free to do so and they roam the hallways.

Other than the ones with low key behavior issues, I'm not sure if 1:1 does anything helpful other than disrupt the rest of the school and expose other kids to profanity and racism.

There was a survey and kids were allowed to rate the school. Mine said that if not for these trouble maker kids, them and their classmates would have rated the school higher.

[Anonymous]

OP here- I wanted to share some updates. We have not had any further violent incidents and the principal seems to be doing all she can. Many parents got individual phone calls and she sounded like she was working as hard as she could.

One interesting item we heard was the kid in question had their tonsils out and is now behaving much better. I am hopeful that now the kid is on a much better trajectory. It sounds like they are getting the medical care needed.

Many people in the community and school seem to reacting positively and earnestly to this situation. I am hopeful we are seeing a positive trend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here- I wanted to share some updates. We have not had any further violent incidents and the principal seems to be doing all she can. Many parents got individual phone calls and she sounded like she was working as hard as she could.

One interesting item we heard was the kid in question had their tonsils out and is now behaving much better. I am hopeful that now the kid is on a much better trajectory. It sounds like they are getting the medical care needed.

Many people in the community and school seem to reacting positively and earnestly to this situation. I am hopeful we are seeing a positive trend.

I knew this was fake from the start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here- I wanted to share some updates. We have not had any further violent incidents and the principal seems to be doing all she can. Many parents got individual phone calls and she sounded like she was working as hard as she could.

One interesting item we heard was the kid in question had their tonsils out and is now behaving much better. I am hopeful that now the kid is on a much better trajectory. It sounds like they are getting the medical care needed.

Many people in the community and school seem to reacting positively and earnestly to this situation. I am hopeful we are seeing a positive trend.

It’s not ok to shame or out kids here.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here- I wanted to share some updates. We have not had any further violent incidents and the principal seems to be doing all she can. Many parents got individual phone calls and she sounded like she was working as hard as she could.

One interesting item we heard was the kid in question had their tonsils out and is now behaving much better. I am hopeful that now the kid is on a much better trajectory. It sounds like they are getting the medical care needed.

Many people in the community and school seem to reacting positively and earnestly to this situation. I am hopeful we are seeing a positive trend.

It’s not ok to shame or out kids here.

Think about it. The tonsils made him do it? You can't be that gullible.

[Anonymous]

Holy mcps coverups Batman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here- I wanted to share some updates. We have not had any further violent incidents and the principal seems to be doing all she can. Many parents got individual phone calls and she sounded like she was working as hard as she could.

One interesting item we heard was the kid in question had their tonsils out and is now behaving much better. I am hopeful that now the kid is on a much better trajectory. It sounds like they are getting the medical care needed.

Many people in the community and school seem to reacting positively and earnestly to this situation. I am hopeful we are seeing a positive trend.

It’s not ok to shame or out kids here.

+1
Never understood why these posts are not deleted.
You're out of line OP.

[Anonymous]

I'll buy the argument that tonsils played a part. Getting better sleep after the surgery probably helps the underlying issue.