TJ Falls to 14th in the Nation Per US News

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Anonymous wrote:For a long time the number one school in the nation, US News now has TJ at #14. Not sure how much is a change in methodology, how much is the admissions policy (surprised to see WTOP call that one out below, because they usually parrot the FCPS party line on everything), and how much is other schools getting better.

Following controversial changes to its admissions policy in 2021 to boost diversity, Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Virginia remains the top ranked school in the D.C. region and 14th in the nation, slipping from the top 10. It’s also the 5th ranked STEM school in the nation.

https://wtop.com/education/2024/04/regions-best-high-schools/


Diversity in the school (Blacks, Hispanics, Low income) had 10% weightage too and class of 2022 lacked that which could have costed the ranking


Can you explain how this works with a race-blind process that is required by law in the US?


The US New rating forumula (which is what PP was talking about) is not governed by US law.


Yes, the lack of diversity at TJ is costing them their ranking.


So, why TJ’s ranking is getting worse not better?


the county has a large share of black and Hispanic students that are not being fairly represented at TJ


So, why adding more Black and Hispanic students worsens the ranking? It should make the ranking better if your logic is right.


For ranking TJ at #14, they used seniors data from year 2021-22 when there was less diversity than it is now. Going forward rankings should be better since the new policy admitted more blacks and Hispanics than before.


Methodology data is needed here.

It would not surprise me if US News & World Report has recently altered their scoring criteria to give more weight to DEI. A different rating organization- Great Schools - did exactly that, and they have dinged McLean HS not for any academic deficiencies, but Great School’s perception of insufficient diversity at McLean.

Has USNWR re-weighted diversity to TJ’s disadvantage?


That's not true. Langley has half the diversity of McLean yet they were given an "8" for equity. McLean got dinged not because they lack diversity, but because their diverse/low-income kids are failing. However they are succeeding at Langley.


These rankings mostly hurt diverse schools since you get penalized if you have low-income kids.

Is that so! for some reason Stuyvesant with 42% low income, four times that of TJ, doesnt seem to be complaining about the same rankings process. Unlike TJ, perhaps they are not admitting underqualified or playing the blame game?


Well, they are admitting low-income Asian students, who had essentially zero access to TJ for decades but do now under the new admissions process. How do you feel about that change?

That is a lie. Total Asian representation went down from 73% to 54% in one year. Asian students were deliberately exluded from expanded seat quota, and algebra1 selections increased 7 times knowing well Asians had higher math of Geometry or higher.


Avg # Asian students/class
2014-2024 = 330
2025-2028 = 321

On average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class. Out of hundreds.
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Anonymous wrote:For a long time the number one school in the nation, US News now has TJ at #14. Not sure how much is a change in methodology, how much is the admissions policy (surprised to see WTOP call that one out below, because they usually parrot the FCPS party line on everything), and how much is other schools getting better.

Following controversial changes to its admissions policy in 2021 to boost diversity, Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Virginia remains the top ranked school in the D.C. region and 14th in the nation, slipping from the top 10. It’s also the 5th ranked STEM school in the nation.

https://wtop.com/education/2024/04/regions-best-high-schools/


Diversity in the school (Blacks, Hispanics, Low income) had 10% weightage too and class of 2022 lacked that which could have costed the ranking


Can you explain how this works with a race-blind process that is required by law in the US?


The US New rating forumula (which is what PP was talking about) is not governed by US law.


Yes, the lack of diversity at TJ is costing them their ranking.


So, why TJ’s ranking is getting worse not better?


the county has a large share of black and Hispanic students that are not being fairly represented at TJ


So, why adding more Black and Hispanic students worsens the ranking? It should make the ranking better if your logic is right.


For ranking TJ at #14, they used seniors data from year 2021-22 when there was less diversity than it is now. Going forward rankings should be better since the new policy admitted more blacks and Hispanics than before.


Methodology data is needed here.

It would not surprise me if US News & World Report has recently altered their scoring criteria to give more weight to DEI. A different rating organization- Great Schools - did exactly that, and they have dinged McLean HS not for any academic deficiencies, but Great School’s perception of insufficient diversity at McLean.

Has USNWR re-weighted diversity to TJ’s disadvantage?


That's not true. Langley has half the diversity of McLean yet they were given an "8" for equity. McLean got dinged not because they lack diversity, but because their diverse/low-income kids are failing. However they are succeeding at Langley.


These rankings mostly hurt diverse schools since you get penalized if you have low-income kids.

Is that so! for some reason Stuyvesant with 42% low income, four times that of TJ, doesnt seem to be complaining about the same rankings process. Unlike TJ, perhaps they are not admitting underqualified or playing the blame game?


Well, they are admitting low-income Asian students, who had essentially zero access to TJ for decades but do now under the new admissions process. How do you feel about that change?

That is a lie. Total Asian representation went down from 73% to 54% in one year. Asian students were deliberately exluded from expanded seat quota, and algebra1 selections increased 7 times knowing well Asians had higher math of Geometry or higher.


Avg # Asian students/class
2014-2024 = 330
2025-2028 = 321

On average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class. Out of hundreds.

Asian students were deliberately exluded from expanded seat quota? Racial exclusion.
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Anonymous wrote:For a long time the number one school in the nation, US News now has TJ at #14. Not sure how much is a change in methodology, how much is the admissions policy (surprised to see WTOP call that one out below, because they usually parrot the FCPS party line on everything), and how much is other schools getting better.

Following controversial changes to its admissions policy in 2021 to boost diversity, Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Virginia remains the top ranked school in the D.C. region and 14th in the nation, slipping from the top 10. It’s also the 5th ranked STEM school in the nation.

https://wtop.com/education/2024/04/regions-best-high-schools/


Diversity in the school (Blacks, Hispanics, Low income) had 10% weightage too and class of 2022 lacked that which could have costed the ranking


Can you explain how this works with a race-blind process that is required by law in the US?


The US New rating forumula (which is what PP was talking about) is not governed by US law.


Yes, the lack of diversity at TJ is costing them their ranking.


So, why TJ’s ranking is getting worse not better?


the county has a large share of black and Hispanic students that are not being fairly represented at TJ

It is sufficiently represented based on the stem interest being expressed by black and hispanic students. Out of 2600+ applicants, just 260+ or 10% are black and hispanic (whereas for most competitive travel basketball tryouts in NOVA, 75+% of applicants are black). If the stem interest is lacking, where does one find additional recipients to grant the offers to?

And this is despite throwing millions towards equity outreach to artificially increase applicant count of preferred ethnicities. Whereas the super high Asian applicant count demonstrates organic stem interest and zero outreach dollars.
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Anonymous wrote:For a long time the number one school in the nation, US News now has TJ at #14. Not sure how much is a change in methodology, how much is the admissions policy (surprised to see WTOP call that one out below, because they usually parrot the FCPS party line on everything), and how much is other schools getting better.

Following controversial changes to its admissions policy in 2021 to boost diversity, Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Virginia remains the top ranked school in the D.C. region and 14th in the nation, slipping from the top 10. It’s also the 5th ranked STEM school in the nation.

https://wtop.com/education/2024/04/regions-best-high-schools/


Diversity in the school (Blacks, Hispanics, Low income) had 10% weightage too and class of 2022 lacked that which could have costed the ranking


Can you explain how this works with a race-blind process that is required by law in the US?


The US New rating forumula (which is what PP was talking about) is not governed by US law.


Yes, the lack of diversity at TJ is costing them their ranking.


So, why TJ’s ranking is getting worse not better?


the county has a large share of black and Hispanic students that are not being fairly represented at TJ


So, why adding more Black and Hispanic students worsens the ranking? It should make the ranking better if your logic is right.


For ranking TJ at #14, they used seniors data from year 2021-22 when there was less diversity than it is now. Going forward rankings should be better since the new policy admitted more blacks and Hispanics than before.


Methodology data is needed here.

It would not surprise me if US News & World Report has recently altered their scoring criteria to give more weight to DEI. A different rating organization- Great Schools - did exactly that, and they have dinged McLean HS not for any academic deficiencies, but Great School’s perception of insufficient diversity at McLean.

Has USNWR re-weighted diversity to TJ’s disadvantage?


That's not true. Langley has half the diversity of McLean yet they were given an "8" for equity. McLean got dinged not because they lack diversity, but because their diverse/low-income kids are failing. However they are succeeding at Langley.


These rankings mostly hurt diverse schools since you get penalized if you have low-income kids.

Is that so! for some reason Stuyvesant with 42% low income, four times that of TJ, doesnt seem to be complaining about the same rankings process. Unlike TJ, perhaps they are not admitting underqualified or playing the blame game?


Well, they are admitting low-income Asian students, who had essentially zero access to TJ for decades but do now under the new admissions process. How do you feel about that change?

That is a lie. Total Asian representation went down from 73% to 54% in one year. Asian students were deliberately exluded from expanded seat quota, and algebra1 selections increased 7 times knowing well Asians had higher math of Geometry or higher.


Avg # Asian students/class
2014-2024 = 330
2025-2028 = 321

On average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class. Out of hundreds.

Asian students were deliberately exluded from expanded seat quota? Racial exclusion.


Does it make you happy to post inflammatory lies? I would guess that it doesn't. So it would be good for you to stop doing that.
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It's probably because they let more white kids in with the new policy. White kids just aren't hard enough workers.
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Anonymous wrote:For a long time the number one school in the nation, US News now has TJ at #14. Not sure how much is a change in methodology, how much is the admissions policy (surprised to see WTOP call that one out below, because they usually parrot the FCPS party line on everything), and how much is other schools getting better.

Following controversial changes to its admissions policy in 2021 to boost diversity, Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Virginia remains the top ranked school in the D.C. region and 14th in the nation, slipping from the top 10. It’s also the 5th ranked STEM school in the nation.

https://wtop.com/education/2024/04/regions-best-high-schools/


Diversity in the school (Blacks, Hispanics, Low income) had 10% weightage too and class of 2022 lacked that which could have costed the ranking


Can you explain how this works with a race-blind process that is required by law in the US?


The US New rating forumula (which is what PP was talking about) is not governed by US law.


Yes, the lack of diversity at TJ is costing them their ranking.


So, why TJ’s ranking is getting worse not better?


the county has a large share of black and Hispanic students that are not being fairly represented at TJ


So, why adding more Black and Hispanic students worsens the ranking? It should make the ranking better if your logic is right.


For ranking TJ at #14, they used seniors data from year 2021-22 when there was less diversity than it is now. Going forward rankings should be better since the new policy admitted more blacks and Hispanics than before.


Methodology data is needed here.

It would not surprise me if US News & World Report has recently altered their scoring criteria to give more weight to DEI. A different rating organization- Great Schools - did exactly that, and they have dinged McLean HS not for any academic deficiencies, but Great School’s perception of insufficient diversity at McLean.

Has USNWR re-weighted diversity to TJ’s disadvantage?


That's not true. Langley has half the diversity of McLean yet they were given an "8" for equity. McLean got dinged not because they lack diversity, but because their diverse/low-income kids are failing. However they are succeeding at Langley.


These rankings mostly hurt diverse schools since you get penalized if you have low-income kids.

Is that so! for some reason Stuyvesant with 42% low income, four times that of TJ, doesnt seem to be complaining about the same rankings process. Unlike TJ, perhaps they are not admitting underqualified or playing the blame game?


Well, they are admitting low-income Asian students, who had essentially zero access to TJ for decades but do now under the new admissions process. How do you feel about that change?


The Asian kids from the lower SES schools probably benefited the most at the expenses of the higher SES more qualified Asian kids. In the eyes of the school board or others stating there are only 9 fewer Asian kids even though percentage of kids admitted dropped 20%, this may seem fine and equal. The caliber of kids are not equal.
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There are so many different kinds of Asian kids. Huge difference between Indian, East and Southeast Asians. There are Asian Americans, immigrant Asians, poor uneducated Asians, refugees, children of refugees. You cannot group all of these people together. Non Asians just put them as one group.
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This year also marked the first time TJ has a student who failed SOL. Quite “a landmark achievement” for the equity team.
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Anonymous wrote:This year also marked the first time TJ has a student who failed SOL. Quite “a landmark achievement” for the equity team.


Failed what SOL? In what year- 9th?
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Anonymous wrote:For a long time the number one school in the nation, US News now has TJ at #14. Not sure how much is a change in methodology, how much is the admissions policy (surprised to see WTOP call that one out below, because they usually parrot the FCPS party line on everything), and how much is other schools getting better.

Following controversial changes to its admissions policy in 2021 to boost diversity, Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Virginia remains the top ranked school in the D.C. region and 14th in the nation, slipping from the top 10. It’s also the 5th ranked STEM school in the nation.

https://wtop.com/education/2024/04/regions-best-high-schools/


Diversity in the school (Blacks, Hispanics, Low income) had 10% weightage too and class of 2022 lacked that which could have costed the ranking


Can you explain how this works with a race-blind process that is required by law in the US?


The US New rating forumula (which is what PP was talking about) is not governed by US law.


Yes, the lack of diversity at TJ is costing them their ranking.


So, why TJ’s ranking is getting worse not better?


the county has a large share of black and Hispanic students that are not being fairly represented at TJ


So, why adding more Black and Hispanic students worsens the ranking? It should make the ranking better if your logic is right.


For ranking TJ at #14, they used seniors data from year 2021-22 when there was less diversity than it is now. Going forward rankings should be better since the new policy admitted more blacks and Hispanics than before.


Methodology data is needed here.

It would not surprise me if US News & World Report has recently altered their scoring criteria to give more weight to DEI. A different rating organization- Great Schools - did exactly that, and they have dinged McLean HS not for any academic deficiencies, but Great School’s perception of insufficient diversity at McLean.

Has USNWR re-weighted diversity to TJ’s disadvantage?


That's not true. Langley has half the diversity of McLean yet they were given an "8" for equity. McLean got dinged not because they lack diversity, but because their diverse/low-income kids are failing. However they are succeeding at Langley.


These rankings mostly hurt diverse schools since you get penalized if you have low-income kids.

Is that so! for some reason Stuyvesant with 42% low income, four times that of TJ, doesnt seem to be complaining about the same rankings process. Unlike TJ, perhaps they are not admitting underqualified or playing the blame game?


Well, they are admitting low-income Asian students, who had essentially zero access to TJ for decades but do now under the new admissions process. How do you feel about that change?

That is a lie. Total Asian representation went down from 73% to 54% in one year. Asian students were deliberately exluded from expanded seat quota, and algebra1 selections increased 7 times knowing well Asians had higher math of Geometry or higher.


Avg # Asian students/class
2014-2024 = 330
2025-2028 = 321

On average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class. Out of hundreds.


Why do you keep posting this? Do you not know the difference between number and percentage? Don't you understand the effect of denominator? You are making a fool of yourself, just drop. Find another narrative.
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Principal of the was excited to make progress on the freshman class for the first time had remedial math problems with algebra 1. Lol my normal fcps high school 9th grader is taking algebra 2.
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Anonymous wrote:This year also marked the first time TJ has a student who failed SOL. Quite “a landmark achievement” for the equity team.


Failed what SOL? In what year- 9th?


Yeah, heard people talked about that too. I believe freshman but not too sure. Anyone knows?
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Anonymous wrote:For a long time the number one school in the nation, US News now has TJ at #14. Not sure how much is a change in methodology, how much is the admissions policy (surprised to see WTOP call that one out below, because they usually parrot the FCPS party line on everything), and how much is other schools getting better.

Following controversial changes to its admissions policy in 2021 to boost diversity, Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Virginia remains the top ranked school in the D.C. region and 14th in the nation, slipping from the top 10. It’s also the 5th ranked STEM school in the nation.

https://wtop.com/education/2024/04/regions-best-high-schools/


Diversity in the school (Blacks, Hispanics, Low income) had 10% weightage too and class of 2022 lacked that which could have costed the ranking


Can you explain how this works with a race-blind process that is required by law in the US?


The US New rating forumula (which is what PP was talking about) is not governed by US law.


Yes, the lack of diversity at TJ is costing them their ranking.


So, why TJ’s ranking is getting worse not better?


the county has a large share of black and Hispanic students that are not being fairly represented at TJ


So, why adding more Black and Hispanic students worsens the ranking? It should make the ranking better if your logic is right.


For ranking TJ at #14, they used seniors data from year 2021-22 when there was less diversity than it is now. Going forward rankings should be better since the new policy admitted more blacks and Hispanics than before.


Methodology data is needed here.

It would not surprise me if US News & World Report has recently altered their scoring criteria to give more weight to DEI. A different rating organization- Great Schools - did exactly that, and they have dinged McLean HS not for any academic deficiencies, but Great School’s perception of insufficient diversity at McLean.

Has USNWR re-weighted diversity to TJ’s disadvantage?


That's not true. Langley has half the diversity of McLean yet they were given an "8" for equity. McLean got dinged not because they lack diversity, but because their diverse/low-income kids are failing. However they are succeeding at Langley.


These rankings mostly hurt diverse schools since you get penalized if you have low-income kids.

Is that so! for some reason Stuyvesant with 42% low income, four times that of TJ, doesnt seem to be complaining about the same rankings process. Unlike TJ, perhaps they are not admitting underqualified or playing the blame game?


Well, they are admitting low-income Asian students, who had essentially zero access to TJ for decades but do now under the new admissions process. How do you feel about that change?

That is a lie. Total Asian representation went down from 73% to 54% in one year. Asian students were deliberately exluded from expanded seat quota, and algebra1 selections increased 7 times knowing well Asians had higher math of Geometry or higher.


Avg # Asian students/class
2014-2024 = 330
2025-2028 = 321

On average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class. Out of hundreds.


Why do you keep posting this? Do you not know the difference between number and percentage? Don't you understand the effect of denominator? You are making a fool of yourself, just drop. Find another narrative.


I post it every time the PP posts %s because that does not tell the full story. Sorry to disrupt your narrative with additional facts.
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Anonymous wrote:For a long time the number one school in the nation, US News now has TJ at #14. Not sure how much is a change in methodology, how much is the admissions policy (surprised to see WTOP call that one out below, because they usually parrot the FCPS party line on everything), and how much is other schools getting better.

Following controversial changes to its admissions policy in 2021 to boost diversity, Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Virginia remains the top ranked school in the D.C. region and 14th in the nation, slipping from the top 10. It’s also the 5th ranked STEM school in the nation.

https://wtop.com/education/2024/04/regions-best-high-schools/


Diversity in the school (Blacks, Hispanics, Low income) had 10% weightage too and class of 2022 lacked that which could have costed the ranking


Can you explain how this works with a race-blind process that is required by law in the US?


The US New rating forumula (which is what PP was talking about) is not governed by US law.


Yes, the lack of diversity at TJ is costing them their ranking.


So, why TJ’s ranking is getting worse not better?


the county has a large share of black and Hispanic students that are not being fairly represented at TJ


So, why adding more Black and Hispanic students worsens the ranking? It should make the ranking better if your logic is right.


For ranking TJ at #14, they used seniors data from year 2021-22 when there was less diversity than it is now. Going forward rankings should be better since the new policy admitted more blacks and Hispanics than before.


Methodology data is needed here.

It would not surprise me if US News & World Report has recently altered their scoring criteria to give more weight to DEI. A different rating organization- Great Schools - did exactly that, and they have dinged McLean HS not for any academic deficiencies, but Great School’s perception of insufficient diversity at McLean.

Has USNWR re-weighted diversity to TJ’s disadvantage?


That's not true. Langley has half the diversity of McLean yet they were given an "8" for equity. McLean got dinged not because they lack diversity, but because their diverse/low-income kids are failing. However they are succeeding at Langley.


These rankings mostly hurt diverse schools since you get penalized if you have low-income kids.

Is that so! for some reason Stuyvesant with 42% low income, four times that of TJ, doesnt seem to be complaining about the same rankings process. Unlike TJ, perhaps they are not admitting underqualified or playing the blame game?


Well, they are admitting low-income Asian students, who had essentially zero access to TJ for decades but do now under the new admissions process. How do you feel about that change?

That is a lie. Total Asian representation went down from 73% to 54% in one year. Asian students were deliberately exluded from expanded seat quota, and algebra1 selections increased 7 times knowing well Asians had higher math of Geometry or higher.


Avg # Asian students/class
2014-2024 = 330
2025-2028 = 321

On average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class. Out of hundreds.


Why do you keep posting this? Do you not know the difference between number and percentage? Don't you understand the effect of denominator? You are making a fool of yourself, just drop. Find another narrative.

For equity cheerleaders simple numbers look convenient, but percentages look scary.
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Anonymous wrote:For a long time the number one school in the nation, US News now has TJ at #14. Not sure how much is a change in methodology, how much is the admissions policy (surprised to see WTOP call that one out below, because they usually parrot the FCPS party line on everything), and how much is other schools getting better.

Following controversial changes to its admissions policy in 2021 to boost diversity, Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Virginia remains the top ranked school in the D.C. region and 14th in the nation, slipping from the top 10. It’s also the 5th ranked STEM school in the nation.

https://wtop.com/education/2024/04/regions-best-high-schools/


Diversity in the school (Blacks, Hispanics, Low income) had 10% weightage too and class of 2022 lacked that which could have costed the ranking


Can you explain how this works with a race-blind process that is required by law in the US?


The US New rating forumula (which is what PP was talking about) is not governed by US law.


Yes, the lack of diversity at TJ is costing them their ranking.


So, why TJ’s ranking is getting worse not better?


the county has a large share of black and Hispanic students that are not being fairly represented at TJ


So, why adding more Black and Hispanic students worsens the ranking? It should make the ranking better if your logic is right.


For ranking TJ at #14, they used seniors data from year 2021-22 when there was less diversity than it is now. Going forward rankings should be better since the new policy admitted more blacks and Hispanics than before.


Methodology data is needed here.

It would not surprise me if US News & World Report has recently altered their scoring criteria to give more weight to DEI. A different rating organization- Great Schools - did exactly that, and they have dinged McLean HS not for any academic deficiencies, but Great School’s perception of insufficient diversity at McLean.

Has USNWR re-weighted diversity to TJ’s disadvantage?


That's not true. Langley has half the diversity of McLean yet they were given an "8" for equity. McLean got dinged not because they lack diversity, but because their diverse/low-income kids are failing. However they are succeeding at Langley.


These rankings mostly hurt diverse schools since you get penalized if you have low-income kids.

Is that so! for some reason Stuyvesant with 42% low income, four times that of TJ, doesnt seem to be complaining about the same rankings process. Unlike TJ, perhaps they are not admitting underqualified or playing the blame game?


Well, they are admitting low-income Asian students, who had essentially zero access to TJ for decades but do now under the new admissions process. How do you feel about that change?

That is a lie. Total Asian representation went down from 73% to 54% in one year. Asian students were deliberately exluded from expanded seat quota, and algebra1 selections increased 7 times knowing well Asians had higher math of Geometry or higher.


Avg # Asian students/class
2015-2024 = 330
2025-2028 = 321

On average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class. Out of hundreds.


Why do you keep posting this? Do you not know the difference between number and percentage? Don't you understand the effect of denominator? You are making a fool of yourself, just drop. Find another narrative.

For equity cheerleaders simple numbers look convenient, but percentages look scary.


OK, let's look at %s.

Avg % Asian students/class
2015-2024 = 68%
2025-2028 = 58%

So 10% fewer Asian students, on average. And they still comprise the majority.
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