How important is TJ for college?

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Anonymous wrote:It's not important.

The big benefit of going to TJ is that kids around you have very high expectations for themselves and so the baseline expectation among peers is very high. Being in that kind of environment, where going to UVA is kind of average, can be good for some kids. It's an environment of positive examples and everyone living it. Now, if your kid is not up to that level academically then it can be detrimental. Thankfully where you are on that ladder of college exclusivity is not determined until middle of senior year.

So if you go to TJ, you aren't around HS drop outs. That might positively influence your child. Your child might work a little harder because everyone around them is. When they graduate, they have friends at Harvard, Yale, UVA (tons of people), William and Mary... college rate is around 99% and the 1% is due to people who do special things during gap year. When they are in their 30's they will know a ton of doctors and lawyers and entrepreneurs.

Having access to specialized engineering classes is another benefit at TJ.

Now does going to TJ automatically get you in the better college for being the same kid that they would be at the base school? Absolutely not.

The majority of this post is everything that is wrong with the current obsession with TJ environment

Child should not go to TJ so the child will be pushed. The majority of schools in Fairfax county have at least one top class of people taking mostly honors/lots of AP which are full of motivated students as well.

Child will not be around high school dropouts in base school. High school has tracking and assuming your child is near the top see point 1

The only reason to go to TJ is a legitimate actual interest in STEM PERIOD

As others have stated the college admissions are generally the same TJ vs staying in base school and if anything its more harmful to go to TJ if you are bottom half of the class vs staying at base school you would probably still be top 10%

You are entitled to your opinion. But not every kid who is happy and successful at TJ is there for STEM PERIOD. My kid was all around bright and the fact he was not being challenged at Carson AAP definitely played a role. He knows kids who went on to SLHS and Chantilly and complain about these schools having a slow pace and being boring. Maybe it picks up in 11th with full IB and more AP options, but many kids are looking for the challenge.

As for my kid, he is losing interest in STEM and is talking about liberal arts for college. But he is adamant about not moving back to his base school, because he loves the peer group. Many parents and kids say that the highly motivated peers with a strong academic focus is the best part of TJ. I agree with this.

Fact is that all base schools do have some dropouts and kids not headed to college. TJ does not.

That’s true, but if you are good enough to get into TJ, you would be good enough to take all AP classes and your peer group really wouldn’t be those drop outs anyway. TJ May even hurt your chances at he in state shcools bc of the invisible quotas.

AP PE? AP Spanish I, II, III? AP band or art? Lots of classes aren’t offered as APs, or even honors. And TJ AP is a whole different ballgame than base school AP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not important.

The big benefit of going to TJ is that kids around you have very high expectations for themselves and so the baseline expectation among peers is very high. Being in that kind of environment, where going to UVA is kind of average, can be good for some kids. It's an environment of positive examples and everyone living it. Now, if your kid is not up to that level academically then it can be detrimental. Thankfully where you are on that ladder of college exclusivity is not determined until middle of senior year.

So if you go to TJ, you aren't around HS drop outs. That might positively influence your child. Your child might work a little harder because everyone around them is. When they graduate, they have friends at Harvard, Yale, UVA (tons of people), William and Mary... college rate is around 99% and the 1% is due to people who do special things during gap year. When they are in their 30's they will know a ton of doctors and lawyers and entrepreneurs.

Having access to specialized engineering classes is another benefit at TJ.

Now does going to TJ automatically get you in the better college for being the same kid that they would be at the base school? Absolutely not.

The majority of this post is everything that is wrong with the current obsession with TJ environment

Child should not go to TJ so the child will be pushed. The majority of schools in Fairfax county have at least one top class of people taking mostly honors/lots of AP which are full of motivated students as well.

Child will not be around high school dropouts in base school. High school has tracking and assuming your child is near the top see point 1

The only reason to go to TJ is a legitimate actual interest in STEM PERIOD

As others have stated the college admissions are generally the same TJ vs staying in base school and if anything its more harmful to go to TJ if you are bottom half of the class vs staying at base school you would probably still be top 10%

You are entitled to your opinion. But not every kid who is happy and successful at TJ is there for STEM PERIOD. My kid was all around bright and the fact he was not being challenged at Carson AAP definitely played a role. He knows kids who went on to SLHS and Chantilly and complain about these schools having a slow pace and being boring. Maybe it picks up in 11th with full IB and more AP options, but many kids are looking for the challenge.

As for my kid, he is losing interest in STEM and is talking about liberal arts for college. But he is adamant about not moving back to his base school, because he loves the peer group. Many parents and kids say that the highly motivated peers with a strong academic focus is the best part of TJ. I agree with this.

Fact is that all base schools do have some dropouts and kids not headed to college. TJ does not.

Ok. But, in order to get into TJ, you have to claim/demonstrate interest in STEM. So what you are saying is your kid lied to get in to TJ. This is why I hate TJ. People will lie and cheat to get in. For what?

Nope. I’m saying that my kid did MS activities that appealed to him— debate and music. And genuinely throught he wanted to go into civil engineering leading to a career in “green” architecture— when he was 13. Knew a fair amount about architecture, had done camps, etc. So he talked about debate and music and his interest in architecture on the SIS and TJ accepted him. He’s very involved in music and debate. Decided at 16 that he doesn’t want to be an architect after all. He didn’t lie. He didn’t cheat. He didn’t curate some resume that was particularly STEM heavy. He did change his mind about his ultimate career goal from architect to having no idea. And I think that the TJ math department played a huge role in turning him off of Math, and therefore off of engineering.

There are college kids who have changed their majors 4 times and take 6 years to graduate while their parents say they are finding themselves. Are you really shocked that some kids don’t stick with their middle school career plans? He has STEM talent. He has science and tech interest. Loved math until TJ. But his interests are changing as he matures. That’s normal and healthy— not some big fraud.

Perfectly normal and valid situation

Easy solution here TJ should change to a pure magnet school designed for the best and brightest kids in Fairfax County instead of the awkward somewhat STEM focus and math/science hoops kids have to jump through

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not important.

The big benefit of going to TJ is that kids around you have very high expectations for themselves and so the baseline expectation among peers is very high. Being in that kind of environment, where going to UVA is kind of average, can be good for some kids. It's an environment of positive examples and everyone living it. Now, if your kid is not up to that level academically then it can be detrimental. Thankfully where you are on that ladder of college exclusivity is not determined until middle of senior year.

So if you go to TJ, you aren't around HS drop outs. That might positively influence your child. Your child might work a little harder because everyone around them is. When they graduate, they have friends at Harvard, Yale, UVA (tons of people), William and Mary... college rate is around 99% and the 1% is due to people who do special things during gap year. When they are in their 30's they will know a ton of doctors and lawyers and entrepreneurs.

Having access to specialized engineering classes is another benefit at TJ.

Now does going to TJ automatically get you in the better college for being the same kid that they would be at the base school? Absolutely not.

The majority of this post is everything that is wrong with the current obsession with TJ environment

Child should not go to TJ so the child will be pushed. The majority of schools in Fairfax county have at least one top class of people taking mostly honors/lots of AP which are full of motivated students as well.

Child will not be around high school dropouts in base school. High school has tracking and assuming your child is near the top see point 1

The only reason to go to TJ is a legitimate actual interest in STEM PERIOD

As others have stated the college admissions are generally the same TJ vs staying in base school and if anything its more harmful to go to TJ if you are bottom half of the class vs staying at base school you would probably still be top 10%

You are entitled to your opinion. But not every kid who is happy and successful at TJ is there for STEM PERIOD. My kid was all around bright and the fact he was not being challenged at Carson AAP definitely played a role. He knows kids who went on to SLHS and Chantilly and complain about these schools having a slow pace and being boring. Maybe it picks up in 11th with full IB and more AP options, but many kids are looking for the challenge.

As for my kid, he is losing interest in STEM and is talking about liberal arts for college. But he is adamant about not moving back to his base school, because he loves the peer group. Many parents and kids say that the highly motivated peers with a strong academic focus is the best part of TJ. I agree with this.

Fact is that all base schools do have some dropouts and kids not headed to college. TJ does not.

Ok. But, in order to get into TJ, you have to claim/demonstrate interest in STEM. So what you are saying is your kid lied to get in to TJ. This is why I hate TJ. People will lie and cheat to get in. For what?

Nope. I’m saying that my kid did MS activities that appealed to him— debate and music. And genuinely throught he wanted to go into civil engineering leading to a career in “green” architecture— when he was 13. Knew a fair amount about architecture, had done camps, etc. So he talked about debate and music and his interest in architecture on the SIS and TJ accepted him. He’s very involved in music and debate. Decided at 16 that he doesn’t want to be an architect after all. He didn’t lie. He didn’t cheat. He didn’t curate some resume that was particularly STEM heavy. He did change his mind about his ultimate career goal from architect to having no idea. And I think that the TJ math department played a huge role in turning him off of Math, and therefore off of engineering.

There are college kids who have changed their majors 4 times and take 6 years to graduate while their parents say they are finding themselves. Are you really shocked that some kids don’t stick with their middle school career plans? He has STEM talent. He has science and tech interest. Loved math until TJ. But his interests are changing as he matures. That’s normal and healthy— not some big fraud.

Perfectly normal and valid situation

Easy solution here TJ should change to a pure magnet school designed for the best and brightest kids in Fairfax County instead of the awkward somewhat STEM focus and math/science hoops kids have to jump through

Or tone down the freaky math to normal math. After all it's not college.

[Anonymous]

I like to remind my DD at TJ that in high school I had one year of math (Pre-Calculus) between Geometry and Calculus. It's good to keep the ego in check observing TJ's decelerated three semester track.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like to remind my DD at TJ that in high school I had one year of math (Pre-Calculus) between Geometry and Calculus. It's good to keep the ego in check observing TJ's decelerated three semester track.

No, at TJ they combine Algebra 2 and Pre-calculus into 3 semesters (to make room for Statistics), so your DD is actually learning 2 years worth of math in 1.5 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not important.

The big benefit of going to TJ is that kids around you have very high expectations for themselves and so the baseline expectation among peers is very high. Being in that kind of environment, where going to UVA is kind of average, can be good for some kids. It's an environment of positive examples and everyone living it. Now, if your kid is not up to that level academically then it can be detrimental. Thankfully where you are on that ladder of college exclusivity is not determined until middle of senior year.

So if you go to TJ, you aren't around HS drop outs. That might positively influence your child. Your child might work a little harder because everyone around them is. When they graduate, they have friends at Harvard, Yale, UVA (tons of people), William and Mary... college rate is around 99% and the 1% is due to people who do special things during gap year. When they are in their 30's they will know a ton of doctors and lawyers and entrepreneurs.

Having access to specialized engineering classes is another benefit at TJ.

Now does going to TJ automatically get you in the better college for being the same kid that they would be at the base school? Absolutely not.

The majority of this post is everything that is wrong with the current obsession with TJ environment

Child should not go to TJ so the child will be pushed. The majority of schools in Fairfax county have at least one top class of people taking mostly honors/lots of AP which are full of motivated students as well.

Child will not be around high school dropouts in base school. High school has tracking and assuming your child is near the top see point 1

The only reason to go to TJ is a legitimate actual interest in STEM PERIOD

As others have stated the college admissions are generally the same TJ vs staying in base school and if anything its more harmful to go to TJ if you are bottom half of the class vs staying at base school you would probably still be top 10%

You are entitled to your opinion. But not every kid who is happy and successful at TJ is there for STEM PERIOD. My kid was all around bright and the fact he was not being challenged at Carson AAP definitely played a role. He knows kids who went on to SLHS and Chantilly and complain about these schools having a slow pace and being boring. Maybe it picks up in 11th with full IB and more AP options, but many kids are looking for the challenge.

As for my kid, he is losing interest in STEM and is talking about liberal arts for college. But he is adamant about not moving back to his base school, because he loves the peer group. Many parents and kids say that the highly motivated peers with a strong academic focus is the best part of TJ. I agree with this.

Fact is that all base schools do have some dropouts and kids not headed to college. TJ does not.

Ok. But, in order to get into TJ, you have to claim/demonstrate interest in STEM. So what you are saying is your kid lied to get in to TJ. This is why I hate TJ. People will lie and cheat to get in. For what?

Nope. I’m saying that my kid did MS activities that appealed to him— debate and music. And genuinely throught he wanted to go into civil engineering leading to a career in “green” architecture— when he was 13. Knew a fair amount about architecture, had done camps, etc. So he talked about debate and music and his interest in architecture on the SIS and TJ accepted him. He’s very involved in music and debate. Decided at 16 that he doesn’t want to be an architect after all. He didn’t lie. He didn’t cheat. He didn’t curate some resume that was particularly STEM heavy. He did change his mind about his ultimate career goal from architect to having no idea. And I think that the TJ math department played a huge role in turning him off of Math, and therefore off of engineering.

There are college kids who have changed their majors 4 times and take 6 years to graduate while their parents say they are finding themselves. Are you really shocked that some kids don’t stick with their middle school career plans? He has STEM talent. He has science and tech interest. Loved math until TJ. But his interests are changing as he matures. That’s normal and healthy— not some big fraud.

Perfectly normal and valid situation

Easy solution here TJ should change to a pure magnet school designed for the best and brightest kids in Fairfax County instead of the awkward somewhat STEM focus and math/science hoops kids have to jump through

Or tone down the freaky math to normal math. After all it's not college.

That ship sailed long ago with all of you helicoptering. Who do you think created all of this the kids lol. I grew up in the 80s-90s. The top kids took Algebra 1 in eighth grade and then Calculus AB senior year and now my classmates are mathematicians engineers scientists etc. Now you have freaks wanting their kids to take algebra 1 in sixth and Calculus AB sophomore year its ridiculous

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like to remind my DD at TJ that in high school I had one year of math (Pre-Calculus) between Geometry and Calculus. It's good to keep the ego in check observing TJ's decelerated three semester track.

Did you also walk to 15 miles school uphill and barefoot in blizzards?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not important.

The big benefit of going to TJ is that kids around you have very high expectations for themselves and so the baseline expectation among peers is very high. Being in that kind of environment, where going to UVA is kind of average, can be good for some kids. It's an environment of positive examples and everyone living it. Now, if your kid is not up to that level academically then it can be detrimental. Thankfully where you are on that ladder of college exclusivity is not determined until middle of senior year.

So if you go to TJ, you aren't around HS drop outs. That might positively influence your child. Your child might work a little harder because everyone around them is. When they graduate, they have friends at Harvard, Yale, UVA (tons of people), William and Mary... college rate is around 99% and the 1% is due to people who do special things during gap year. When they are in their 30's they will know a ton of doctors and lawyers and entrepreneurs.

Having access to specialized engineering classes is another benefit at TJ.

Now does going to TJ automatically get you in the better college for being the same kid that they would be at the base school? Absolutely not.

The majority of this post is everything that is wrong with the current obsession with TJ environment

Child should not go to TJ so the child will be pushed. The majority of schools in Fairfax county have at least one top class of people taking mostly honors/lots of AP which are full of motivated students as well.

Child will not be around high school dropouts in base school. High school has tracking and assuming your child is near the top see point 1

The only reason to go to TJ is a legitimate actual interest in STEM PERIOD

As others have stated the college admissions are generally the same TJ vs staying in base school and if anything its more harmful to go to TJ if you are bottom half of the class vs staying at base school you would probably still be top 10%

You are entitled to your opinion. But not every kid who is happy and successful at TJ is there for STEM PERIOD. My kid was all around bright and the fact he was not being challenged at Carson AAP definitely played a role. He knows kids who went on to SLHS and Chantilly and complain about these schools having a slow pace and being boring. Maybe it picks up in 11th with full IB and more AP options, but many kids are looking for the challenge.

As for my kid, he is losing interest in STEM and is talking about liberal arts for college. But he is adamant about not moving back to his base school, because he loves the peer group. Many parents and kids say that the highly motivated peers with a strong academic focus is the best part of TJ. I agree with this.

Fact is that all base schools do have some dropouts and kids not headed to college. TJ does not.

Ok. But, in order to get into TJ, you have to claim/demonstrate interest in STEM. So what you are saying is your kid lied to get in to TJ. This is why I hate TJ. People will lie and cheat to get in. For what?

Nope. I’m saying that my kid did MS activities that appealed to him— debate and music. And genuinely throught he wanted to go into civil engineering leading to a career in “green” architecture— when he was 13. Knew a fair amount about architecture, had done camps, etc. So he talked about debate and music and his interest in architecture on the SIS and TJ accepted him. He’s very involved in music and debate. Decided at 16 that he doesn’t want to be an architect after all. He didn’t lie. He didn’t cheat. He didn’t curate some resume that was particularly STEM heavy. He did change his mind about his ultimate career goal from architect to having no idea. And I think that the TJ math department played a huge role in turning him off of Math, and therefore off of engineering.

There are college kids who have changed their majors 4 times and take 6 years to graduate while their parents say they are finding themselves. Are you really shocked that some kids don’t stick with their middle school career plans? He has STEM talent. He has science and tech interest. Loved math until TJ. But his interests are changing as he matures. That’s normal and healthy— not some big fraud.

Perfectly normal and valid situation

Easy solution here TJ should change to a pure magnet school designed for the best and brightest kids in Fairfax County instead of the awkward somewhat STEM focus and math/science hoops kids have to jump through

Or tone down the freaky math to normal math. After all it's not college.

That ship sailed long ago with all of you helicoptering. Who do you think created all of this the kids lol. I grew up in the 80s-90s. The top kids took Algebra 1 in eighth grade and then Calculus AB senior year and now my classmates are mathematicians engineers scientists etc. Now you have freaks wanting their kids to take algebra 1 in sixth and Calculus AB sophomore year its ridiculous

Not true. The top kids still took Algebra I in 7th, and some took BC Calc Junior year.

[Anonymous]

Here is the point

Accelerating math does more harm than good

I know tons of smart bright kids and some college professors too

Almost everyone recommends starting at Calculus and some very rare cases the next level of Calculus in college which negates the whole rush to acceleration in middle and high school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the point

Accelerating math does more harm than good

I know tons of smart bright kids and some college professors too

Almost everyone recommends starting at Calculus and some very rare cases the next level of Calculus in college which negates the whole rush to acceleration in middle and high school

TJ parent here, and I 100% agree. It is incredibly annoying to deal with the TJ math department which focuses on getting to and through Calculus ASAP. Discrete math, concrete math, combunatorics, advanced prob / stats, game theory— there are lot of places to dig deep without having HS kids do three years of Calculus.

But FCPS should shoulder some of the blame here. They are enabling a math for TJ arms race. There is zero reason to allow middle school kids to take geometry as a summer school class, for example, once you take TJ admissions out of the mix. . You can’t take Algebra I as an online or summer school class in middle school. So why is online summer school geometry offered in MS?

And they should stop it with the Algebra I in 6th grade. Yes— your amazing kid can pass the IiAT then. But it will not kill them to wait a year. In some ESs Algebra I just isn’t offered. In others, it isn’t offered But you can go to the MS. In others it is taught at the ES to a few kids. It’s time for to make one rule, and stick with it. Preferably, the rule is that you can’t start until 7th grade. I know quite a few TJ kids who took Algebra I in 6th grade. What they all have in common is a pushy parent. I don’t know any kid who had an educational need for Algebra before 7th grade. 6th grade Algebra was about their parents’ anxieties and distinguishing themselves for TJ admissions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like to remind my DD at TJ that in high school I had one year of math (Pre-Calculus) between Geometry and Calculus. It's good to keep the ego in check observing TJ's decelerated three semester track.

No, at TJ they combine Algebra 2 and Pre-calculus into 3 semesters (to make room for Statistics), so your DD is actually learning 2 years worth of math in 1.5 years.

Sorry about your lack of reading comprehension. My courses were: Grade 8: Algebra; Grade 9: Geometry; Grade 10: Pre-Calculus (consisting of Alg. 2 and Trig); Grade 11: Calculus (we didn't have A/B, B/C then); Grade 12: 2nd and 3rd term calculus at the local university. When I went to full-time college, I didn't have to take any Calculus as I just transferred my university credits.

I actually don't understand the benefit of all this math acceleration. After all, you still will want to take math in college to support science and engineering courses.

As I said, I only tell my DD this to keep her ego in check.

And while I walked to school barefoot in blizzards, it was not 15 miles and not uphill in both directions. On the last point, that would be mathematically impossible if elevation is a continuous function over geographic locations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like to remind my DD at TJ that in high school I had one year of math (Pre-Calculus) between Geometry and Calculus. It's good to keep the ego in check observing TJ's decelerated three semester track.

No, at TJ they combine Algebra 2 and Pre-calculus into 3 semesters (to make room for Statistics), so your DD is actually learning 2 years worth of math in 1.5 years.

Sorry about your lack of reading comprehension. My courses were: Grade 8: Algebra; Grade 9: Geometry; Grade 10: Pre-Calculus (consisting of Alg. 2 and Trig); Grade 11: Calculus (we didn't have A/B, B/C then); Grade 12: 2nd and 3rd term calculus at the local university. When I went to full-time college, I didn't have to take any Calculus as I just transferred my university credits.

I actually don't understand the benefit of all this math acceleration. After all, you still will want to take math in college to support science and engineering courses.

As I said, I only tell my DD this to keep her ego in check.

And while I walked to school barefoot in blizzards, it was not 15 miles and not uphill in both directions. On the last point, that would be mathematically impossible if elevation is a continuous function over geographic locations.

Well, you're not really making a case against acceleration by telling us that you didn't have precalculus and went straight to Calculus from Algebra 2 & Trig. A normal course of study woukd be alg 1, geometry, algebra 2&Trig, precalc, then calc. Kids,in precalc, do have some review of Algebra 2 & Trig, but also learn new material. Are you suggesting the "smart" kids skip precalc and go directly from alg 2 to Calc?

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Well, you're not really making a case against acceleration by telling us that you didn't have precalculus and went straight to Calculus from Algebra 2 & Trig. A normal course of study woukd be alg 1, geometry, algebra 2&Trig, precalc, then calc. Kids,in precalc, do have some review of Algebra 2 & Trig, but also learn new material. Are you suggesting the "smart" kids skip precalc and go directly from alg 2 to Calc?

The meds are fogging your mind. The Pre-Calculus class it took covered all the material between Geometry and Calculus. It really doesn't matter what the school system calls its particular math sequence. See, even Wikipedia has this definition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precalculus

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:.
Well, you're not really making a case against acceleration by telling us that you didn't have precalculus and went straight to Calculus from Algebra 2 & Trig. A normal course of study woukd be alg 1, geometry, algebra 2&Trig, precalc, then calc. Kids,in precalc, do have some review of Algebra 2 & Trig, but also learn new material. Are you suggesting the "smart" kids skip precalc and go directly from alg 2 to Calc?

The meds are fogging your mind. The Pre-Calculus class it took covered all the material between Geometry and Calculus. It really doesn't matter what the school system calls its particular math sequence. See, even Wikipedia has this definition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precalculus

No, I'm perfectly clear. You are against acceleration, but you are giving an example (yourself) of even more acceleration. Gosh, I hope you're not a lawyer.

[Anonymous]

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Well, you're not really making a case against acceleration by telling us that you didn't have precalculus and went straight to Calculus from Algebra 2 & Trig. A normal course of study woukd be alg 1, geometry, algebra 2&Trig, precalc, then calc. Kids,in precalc, do have some review of Algebra 2 & Trig, but also learn new material. Are you suggesting the "smart" kids skip precalc and go directly from alg 2 to Calc?

The meds are fogging your mind. The Pre-Calculus class it took covered all the material between Geometry and Calculus. It really doesn't matter what the school system calls its particular math sequence. See, even Wikipedia has this definition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precalculus

No, I'm perfectly clear. You are against acceleration, but you are giving an example (yourself) of even more acceleration. Gosh, I hope you're not a lawyer.

She said her pre calc class consisted of Alg 2 and Trig. Trig is considered pre calc. Reading comprehension much?