What does acting gracefully mean to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mmmm.... no. Still sounds like a Southern socially-required self-denial thing to me. (Shrugs.)

It never occured to me that people actually don't know what grace means, I guess that truly does explain it all. You don't get it at all.

Public grace means not making a spectacle out of yourself and your childern, just so you can prove that you are not in denial. What goes on behind closed doors is another thing, but the point is that it is CLOSED doors. You are confusing having low self-esteem with enlightenment.

I thought McChrystal took his firing by Obama with grace..in the military you can find grace all over. I think Clinton behaved in a very ungraceful manner when he left the WH a mess (not the country, but the WH physically) when GWB took over. I think Princess Di divorced Charles with grace, despite the fact that he was a miserable man and did deserve her grace.

[Anonymous]

I think sophisitication and grace go hand in hand. You will never reach grace, unless you elevate yourself to a place of sophisitication. Sophistication in thought and attitude. Some people come to this naturally, some people it is a work in progress of self relization, and some people never progress towards this.

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"Class never runs scared. It is sure-footed and confident in the
knowledge that you can meet life head on and handle whatever comes
along."

"Jacob had it. Esau didn't. Symbolically, we can look to Jacob's
wrestling match with the angel. Those who have class have wrestled
with their own personal angel and won a victory that marks them
thereafter."

"Class never makes excuses. It takes its lumps and learns from past
mistakes."

"Class is considerate of others. It knows that good manners are
nothing more than a series of small sacrifices."

"Class bespeaks an aristocracy that has nothing to do with ancestors
or money. The most affluent blueblood can be totally without class
while the descendant of a Welsh miner may ooze class from every pore."

"Class never tries to build itself up by tearing others down. Class is
already up and need not strive to look better by making others look
worse."

"Class can "walk with kings and keep its virtue and talk with crowds
and keep the common touch." Everyone is comfortable with the person
who has class because he is comfortable with himself."

"If you have class you don't need much of anything else. If you don't
have it, no matter what else you have, it doesn't make much
difference."


Ann Landers Encyclopedia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still just don't get this discussion.

I see how, if you're locked in a struggle for survival after your plane goes down on a desert island, and you offer your last sip of clean water to a sick child, there's a certain dignity in that.

I don't see why it's especially "graceful" to stand by your man if he has betrayed you. You don't need to make public statements about his assholery (though I don't have a problem with this, myself, especially if public opinion has some kind of power to enforce accountability), but I don't see any virtue in actively pretending he has done nothing wrong.

I don't think she pretended that he has done nothing wrong at all. She showed everyone how strong she was and that his affair/s didn't take anything away from her. It made him look that much smaller.

Jenny Sanford is one that did not stand by her man after he ran off on his affair to 'hike the Appalachain trail' and she showed lots of grace. She was a great example for her 4 sons.

I don't think you have to stand by your cheating man to show grace. I also think nobody knows what goes on in a marriage and I don't judge someone that does either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still just don't get this discussion.

I see how, if you're locked in a struggle for survival after your plane goes down on a desert island, and you offer your last sip of clean water to a sick child, there's a certain dignity in that.

I don't see why it's especially "graceful" to stand by your man if he has betrayed you. You don't need to make public statements about his assholery (though I don't have a problem with this, myself, especially if public opinion has some kind of power to enforce accountability), but I don't see any virtue in actively pretending he has done nothing wrong.

I don't think she pretended that he has done nothing wrong at all. She showed everyone how strong she was and that his affair/s didn't take anything away from her. It made him look that much smaller.

Jenny Sanford is one that did not stand by her man after he ran off on his affair to 'hike the Appalachain trail' and she showed lots of grace. She was a great example for her 4 sons.

I don't think you have to stand by your cheating man to show grace. I also think nobody knows what goes on in a marriage and I don't judge someone that does either.

No one is saying you have to stand by your man to show grace. There are people in the public eye who leave with grace and people who stay with grace

Jackie-O: stayed gracefully
Kelsey/Camille Grammar: separted not graceful
Heather Mills: separated, not graceful
Jennifer/Brad: separated, gracefully
Demi/Bruce: Separated, gracefully

The wife of DSK? DOOR- FUCKING- MAT!

[Anonymous]

I'm not a fan of it.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, between the military references and the Ann Landers quote, I can see who I'm asking.

Never mind, I simply don't get it. This is a culturally-defined concept and it doesn't transfer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, between the military references and the Ann Landers quote, I can see who I'm asking.

Never mind, I simply don't get it. This is a culturally-defined concept and it doesn't transfer.

So please clarify: is your definition of grace different than ours? Or do you recognize this is grace yet just have no respect or admiration for the behavior that exemplifies grace (because you see it as weak or whatnot)?