People don’t understand how selective college admissions works

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:"I’m truly astonished that ppl that are in here are this out to lunch about the process….isn’t that the whole point of this forum?"

You're correct, 100% but are you also new here? This forum is populated by some absolute dimwits, a ton of people with resentments and bigoted tendencies, boastful liars and swathes of people with opinions they cannot back up.

You are correct.

Swathes

There is a plethora of codswallop here for sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going forward, maybe most people don’t need to know how selective school admissions work. With TO being phased out at the best schools, most students without a 1500 SAT need not bother. Others don’t want the liberal bias. Others just want to have fun. The best schools want smart kids who also achieve real-life stuff. Most kids just want to get a job out of college, not impress the world. Add all these average and somewhat-above-average kids together and you have most of the high school students graduating in any given year. Let the herd graze!

But it’s not just grades and scores. Lots of people with great grades and perfect scores are not getting in. And they won’t in the future. Why is that?

Uh, because there’s not enough seats?!

The question isn’t why doesn’t every kid with a 1500 get admitted. It’s what differentiates the kids who get admitted from those who were qualified from a stats perspective, but got denied.

Although it’s possible that with TO going away (thankfully), there will be room for more 34+/1500+ kids. In the TO classes, at least 25% didn’t have this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In reading the “two worlds” post, it’s clear people don’t understand (1) what selective colleges are looking for; (2) the scoring paradigms that selective college AOs use and (3) how certain students offer more to selective colleges than others., all of which leads to who is admitted.

I’m truly astonished that ppl that are in here are this out to lunch about the process….isn’t that the whole point of this forum?

So educate people instead of criticizing them.
What insights do you have? Provide details, evidence, intel. Thanks

+1. Yet another stupid mom on dcum: "I have no idea how to express myself clearly but I'm here to criticize and offer nothing substantively in exchange because to post something makes me feel
momentarily superior."

Characterizing this person as "another stupid mom" is sexist. FYI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going forward, maybe most people don’t need to know how selective school admissions work. With TO being phased out at the best schools, most students without a 1500 SAT need not bother. Others don’t want the liberal bias. Others just want to have fun. The best schools want smart kids who also achieve real-life stuff. Most kids just want to get a job out of college, not impress the world. Add all these average and somewhat-above-average kids together and you have most of the high school students graduating in any given year. Let the herd graze!

But it’s not just grades and scores. Lots of people with great grades and perfect scores are not getting in. And they won’t in the future. Why is that?

Uh, because there’s not enough seats?!

The question isn’t why doesn’t every kid with a 1500 get admitted. It’s what differentiates the kids who get admitted from those who were qualified from a stats perspective, but got denied.

Although it’s possible that with TO going away (thankfully), there will be room for more 34+/1500+ kids. In the TO classes, at least 25% didn’t have this.

Agree. Who knows but I wish my 1500+ kid wasn’t applying in TO environment this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going forward, maybe most people don’t need to know how selective school admissions work. With TO being phased out at the best schools, most students without a 1500 SAT need not bother. Others don’t want the liberal bias. Others just want to have fun. The best schools want smart kids who also achieve real-life stuff. Most kids just want to get a job out of college, not impress the world. Add all these average and somewhat-above-average kids together and you have most of the high school students graduating in any given year. Let the herd graze!

But it’s not just grades and scores. Lots of people with great grades and perfect scores are not getting in. And they won’t in the future. Why is that?

Uh, because there’s not enough seats?!

The question isn’t why doesn’t every kid with a 1500 get admitted. It’s what differentiates the kids who get admitted from those who were qualified from a stats perspective, but got denied.

Although it’s possible that with TO going away (thankfully), there will be room for more 34+/1500+ kids. In the TO classes, at least 25% didn’t have this.

But schools are not going to stop admitting hooked kids. TO allowed those kids' scores not be included in the school's stats. We are just going back to pre-2019 admissions and you will see the averages go down by 50-100 points (look at the CDS for school pre-covid/TO)!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going forward, maybe most people don’t need to know how selective school admissions work. With TO being phased out at the best schools, most students without a 1500 SAT need not bother. Others don’t want the liberal bias. Others just want to have fun. The best schools want smart kids who also achieve real-life stuff. Most kids just want to get a job out of college, not impress the world. Add all these average and somewhat-above-average kids together and you have most of the high school students graduating in any given year. Let the herd graze!

But it’s not just grades and scores. Lots of people with great grades and perfect scores are not getting in. And they won’t in the future. Why is that?

Uh, because there’s not enough seats?!

The question isn’t why doesn’t every kid with a 1500 get admitted. It’s what differentiates the kids who get admitted from those who were qualified from a stats perspective, but got denied.

Although it’s possible that with TO going away (thankfully), there will be room for more 34+/1500+ kids. In the TO classes, at least 25% didn’t have this.

But schools are not going to stop admitting hooked kids. TO allowed those kids' scores not be included in the school's stats. We are just going back to pre-2019 admissions and you will see the averages go down by 50-100 points (look at the CDS for school pre-covid/TO)!

I forgot to add that schools like Dartmouth, Yale, and Brown stated on the record that they are requiring scores to find the 1400s 1st gen/Pell/URM/rural kids. They don't care that their average SAT scores decrease, and an added benefit is fewer applications, which makes admissions more manageable on their end.

[Anonymous]

Living here, reading these forums, learning how little you all value real learning ... I am eternally grateful for my bright slacker kid, who will be going to a T50-plus school with merit and never have to play stupid reindeer games with yours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Living here, reading these forums, learning how little you all value real learning ... I am eternally grateful for my bright slacker kid, who will be going to a T50-plus school with merit and never have to play stupid reindeer games with yours.

What are "reindeer games"? Is it anything to do with Baby Reindeer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Living here, reading these forums, learning how little you all value real learning ... I am eternally grateful for my bright slacker kid, who will be going to a T50-plus school with merit and never have to play stupid reindeer games with yours.

What are "reindeer games"? Is it anything to do with Baby Reindeer?

No. Did you have a brain tumor for breakfast or something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Living here, reading these forums, learning how little you all value real learning ... I am eternally grateful for my bright slacker kid, who will be going to a T50-plus school with merit and never have to play stupid reindeer games with yours.

What are "reindeer games"? Is it anything to do with Baby Reindeer?

No. Did you have a brain tumor for breakfast or something?

I just had a few brain tumors removed, actually. But I don't think that has any relation to the question. I genuinely don't know what "reindeer games" are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Living here, reading these forums, learning how little you all value real learning ... I am eternally grateful for my bright slacker kid, who will be going to a T50-plus school with merit and never have to play stupid reindeer games with yours.

What are "reindeer games"? Is it anything to do with Baby Reindeer?

No. Did you have a brain tumor for breakfast or something?

I just had a few brain tumors removed, actually. But I don't think that has any relation to the question. I genuinely don't know what "reindeer games" are.

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If only there were some quick and easy way to look up unfamiliar words and phrases…

[Anonymous]

What does it mean to play Reindeer Games?

These games, while allusive, are fun-spirited, whereas the phrase reindeer games took on a snarkier tone in mainstream culture as a term for the cruel or bullying actions popular in-groups used to exclude outsiders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to play Reindeer Games?

These games, while allusive, are fun-spirited, whereas the phrase reindeer games took on a snarkier tone in mainstream culture as a term for the cruel or bullying actions popular in-groups used to exclude outsiders.

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to play Reindeer Games?

These games, while allusive, are fun-spirited, whereas the phrase reindeer games took on a snarkier tone in mainstream culture as a term for the cruel or bullying actions popular in-groups used to exclude outsiders.

Thank you!

7th verse of Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer....

All of the other reindeer
Used to laugh and call him names
They never let poor Rudolph
Join in any reindeer games

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going forward, maybe most people don’t need to know how selective school admissions work. With TO being phased out at the best schools, most students without a 1500 SAT need not bother. Others don’t want the liberal bias. Others just want to have fun. The best schools want smart kids who also achieve real-life stuff. Most kids just want to get a job out of college, not impress the world. Add all these average and somewhat-above-average kids together and you have most of the high school students graduating in any given year. Let the herd graze!

But it’s not just grades and scores. Lots of people with great grades and perfect scores are not getting in. And they won’t in the future. Why is that?

Uh, because there’s not enough seats?!

The question isn’t why doesn’t every kid with a 1500 get admitted. It’s what differentiates the kids who get admitted from those who were qualified from a stats perspective, but got denied.

Although it’s possible that with TO going away (thankfully), there will be room for more 34+/1500+ kids. In the TO classes, at least 25% didn’t have this.

Agree. Who knows but I wish my 1500+ kid wasn’t applying in TO environment this year.

If your kid's application looks like everyone else's from their high school then you are missing the bigger picture. TO isn't your problem. Being ordinary (in the context of your high school) is the problem. The admissions officer can randomly select any one of your kid's classmates. They don't even need to look at the stats.