How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:On my DS's AAP package, they only have second grade fall's iready. Make sure she scores above 90% to be safe. 87% is on the border and the students are only compared against those from the same school, so if her school is high SES school 87% won't get her in.

I suggest do some enrichment over the summer to make sure she's ready for second grade.

We started doing some math problems with her. Our school is a no homework school and math seems to be done online in the form of math games. From what I can see, they do addition and subtraction but iready also tests on math they have never been exposed to.

I don't know what iready tests that you think your daughter is not exposed to. My DS tests 97%-99% since 1st grade so I am not paying attention to his math. I just pay for kumon and make sure he does 5 sheets (10 pages) of practice every day. Trust me the whining is epic but it's worth it.

I think OP means that the math on iReady is stuff her daughter hasn't done in class.

OP this is by design. iReady will (within 2 grades) make the test harder until your kid stops getting questions right. If they get everything right the test stops at 2 grades above grade level.

PP here, that makes sense. The other day I was looking at iReady score to percentile mapping chart, and notice that the raw score just keeps going up, but same raw score would map to different percentile at different grade. For example, a 540 at 1st grade is 99% but at 2nd grade would be 85% (just for demonstration purpose, number is not actual) So I do think the iready test is by design goes beyond the grade level, and that would test those kids at grade and above grade.

That unfortunately means preps or learning ahead does help iready score.

I’m looking at the iready letter and we don’t get raw scores. This test is from winter. I know first graders are taking iready this month. My daughter did not do well in the algebra and geometry portions of iready. I’m not sure what kind of algebra and geometry a 6 year old is supposed to be doing.

This makes me want to just send my kid to private school. I want my kid to learn at school. I don’t want to send my kid to math class over the summer to test into AAP.

Algebra (algebraic thinking) and geometry are woven throughout all levels of math education - they aren't just HS.claases. For a 6 yr old algebra is understanding basic expressions and patterns with numbers - so very simple work with equations. For geometry, it's very early work with shapes. You can look at the iReady site for a better understanding.

Also, as PP said, outside math courses are absolutely not necessary to get into AAP - unless your student needs extra support to perform at a high level. Plenty of kids are accepted without ever having taken an enrichment class - in fact, that's true of all of the handful of AAP kids I know personally.

During the few days we did do math with our child, we looked at shapes. My daughter had no idea what a cylinder or cone was. It was pretty easy to teach her. She also had no concept of even or odd. Once we told her, it clicked immediately and she understood. She is a capable and teachable student but she has to be actually taught.

Her class is large with 26 students and one teacher. She is well behaved so I wonder how much attention she is actually receiving. I hear a lot of stories about boys being bad in her class and being sent to the principal.

Agree with the bolded; half of the "math" my DD had trouble with was just the vocabulary, as you describe and also things like being a little put off with three digit addition in first grade when they clearly didn't cover that in class. She comes away a little frustrated and thinking all the tests are "hard," because they are adaptive and bump her up to a higher level of math/reading. This actually dampened her enthusiasm for math.

If your child responds with frustration to a novel math task that hasn’t been completely explained to her, advanced math may not be a good fit.

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Anonymous wrote:On my DS's AAP package, they only have second grade fall's iready. Make sure she scores above 90% to be safe. 87% is on the border and the students are only compared against those from the same school, so if her school is high SES school 87% won't get her in.

I suggest do some enrichment over the summer to make sure she's ready for second grade.

We started doing some math problems with her. Our school is a no homework school and math seems to be done online in the form of math games. From what I can see, they do addition and subtraction but iready also tests on math they have never been exposed to.

I don't know what iready tests that you think your daughter is not exposed to. My DS tests 97%-99% since 1st grade so I am not paying attention to his math. I just pay for kumon and make sure he does 5 sheets (10 pages) of practice every day. Trust me the whining is epic but it's worth it.

I think OP means that the math on iReady is stuff her daughter hasn't done in class.

OP this is by design. iReady will (within 2 grades) make the test harder until your kid stops getting questions right. If they get everything right the test stops at 2 grades above grade level.

PP here, that makes sense. The other day I was looking at iReady score to percentile mapping chart, and notice that the raw score just keeps going up, but same raw score would map to different percentile at different grade. For example, a 540 at 1st grade is 99% but at 2nd grade would be 85% (just for demonstration purpose, number is not actual) So I do think the iready test is by design goes beyond the grade level, and that would test those kids at grade and above grade.

That unfortunately means preps or learning ahead does help iready score.

I’m looking at the iready letter and we don’t get raw scores. This test is from winter. I know first graders are taking iready this month. My daughter did not do well in the algebra and geometry portions of iready. I’m not sure what kind of algebra and geometry a 6 year old is supposed to be doing.

This makes me want to just send my kid to private school. I want my kid to learn at school. I don’t want to send my kid to math class over the summer to test into AAP.

Algebra (algebraic thinking) and geometry are woven throughout all levels of math education - they aren't just HS.claases. For a 6 yr old algebra is understanding basic expressions and patterns with numbers - so very simple work with equations. For geometry, it's very early work with shapes. You can look at the iReady site for a better understanding.

Also, as PP said, outside math courses are absolutely not necessary to get into AAP - unless your student needs extra support to perform at a high level. Plenty of kids are accepted without ever having taken an enrichment class - in fact, that's true of all of the handful of AAP kids I know personally.

During the few days we did do math with our child, we looked at shapes. My daughter had no idea what a cylinder or cone was. It was pretty easy to teach her. She also had no concept of even or odd. Once we told her, it clicked immediately and she understood. She is a capable and teachable student but she has to be actually taught.

Her class is large with 26 students and one teacher. She is well behaved so I wonder how much attention she is actually receiving. I hear a lot of stories about boys being bad in her class and being sent to the principal.

Agree with the bolded; half of the "math" my DD had trouble with was just the vocabulary, as you describe and also things like being a little put off with three digit addition in first grade when they clearly didn't cover that in class. She comes away a little frustrated and thinking all the tests are "hard," because they are adaptive and bump her up to a higher level of math/reading. This actually dampened her enthusiasm for math.

If your child responds with frustration to a novel math task that hasn’t been completely explained to her, advanced math may not be a good fit.

I'm pretty sure that she'll be fine in advanced math and AAP based on her 99 percentile scores across the board and on teachers' comments. She's just a perfectionist and didn't realize (perhaps it wasn't communicated) that tests would include material not covered in her grade level.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2023-10/hoperatingscale.pdf

Ok I think I heard someone say it is no longer subjective. Maybe subjective is better?

All I know is my current first grader who is equally, if not better academically than her siblings, has mostly all 3s and her siblings had all 4s. My kid is an excellent reader and writer, especially for her age and she still gets a 3 and a 3 for effort.

HOPE includes new pathways into the AAP program, such as high achievement in artistic classes or the performing arts, like theater.

This makes admission to AAP more equitable and inclusive, plus adds diversity.

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Here is the new HOPE rating chart, to be more equitable and inclusive of students who excel in the performing arts and traditional arts, but may not be up to grade level in math or English:

https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2023-10/hoperatingscale.pdf

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Don’t know if anything has changed the following are looked at
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Anonymous wrote:Don’t know if anything has changed the following are looked at
1.nnat
2.cigat
3.dra
4.gbrs
5.work samples.

The DRA and GBRSs are no longer used.

It is NNAT, GoGAT, iReady, HOPE scores, work samples

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Anonymous wrote:On my DS's AAP package, they only have second grade fall's iready. Make sure she scores above 90% to be safe. 87% is on the border and the students are only compared against those from the same school, so if her school is high SES school 87% won't get her in.

I suggest do some enrichment over the summer to make sure she's ready for second grade.

We started doing some math problems with her. Our school is a no homework school and math seems to be done online in the form of math games. From what I can see, they do addition and subtraction but iready also tests on math they have never been exposed to.

I don't know what iready tests that you think your daughter is not exposed to. My DS tests 97%-99% since 1st grade so I am not paying attention to his math. I just pay for kumon and make sure he does 5 sheets (10 pages) of practice every day. Trust me the whining is epic but it's worth it.

I think OP means that the math on iReady is stuff her daughter hasn't done in class.

OP this is by design. iReady will (within 2 grades) make the test harder until your kid stops getting questions right. If they get everything right the test stops at 2 grades above grade level.

PP here, that makes sense. The other day I was looking at iReady score to percentile mapping chart, and notice that the raw score just keeps going up, but same raw score would map to different percentile at different grade. For example, a 540 at 1st grade is 99% but at 2nd grade would be 85% (just for demonstration purpose, number is not actual) So I do think the iready test is by design goes beyond the grade level, and that would test those kids at grade and above grade.

That unfortunately means preps or learning ahead does help iready score.

I’m looking at the iready letter and we don’t get raw scores. This test is from winter. I know first graders are taking iready this month. My daughter did not do well in the algebra and geometry portions of iready. I’m not sure what kind of algebra and geometry a 6 year old is supposed to be doing.

This makes me want to just send my kid to private school. I want my kid to learn at school. I don’t want to send my kid to math class over the summer to test into AAP.

Algebra (algebraic thinking) and geometry are woven throughout all levels of math education - they aren't just HS.claases. For a 6 yr old algebra is understanding basic expressions and patterns with numbers - so very simple work with equations. For geometry, it's very early work with shapes. You can look at the iReady site for a better understanding.

Also, as PP said, outside math courses are absolutely not necessary to get into AAP - unless your student needs extra support to perform at a high level. Plenty of kids are accepted without ever having taken an enrichment class - in fact, that's true of all of the handful of AAP kids I know personally.

During the few days we did do math with our child, we looked at shapes. My daughter had no idea what a cylinder or cone was. It was pretty easy to teach her. She also had no concept of even or odd. Once we told her, it clicked immediately and she understood. She is a capable and teachable student but she has to be actually taught.

Her class is large with 26 students and one teacher. She is well behaved so I wonder how much attention she is actually receiving. I hear a lot of stories about boys being bad in her class and being sent to the principal.

Agree with the bolded; half of the "math" my DD had trouble with was just the vocabulary, as you describe and also things like being a little put off with three digit addition in first grade when they clearly didn't cover that in class. She comes away a little frustrated and thinking all the tests are "hard," because they are adaptive and bump her up to a higher level of math/reading. This actually dampened her enthusiasm for math.

If your child responds with frustration to a novel math task that hasn’t been completely explained to her, advanced math may not be a good fit.

I'm pretty sure that she'll be fine in advanced math and AAP based on her 99 percentile scores across the board and on teachers' comments. She's just a perfectionist and didn't realize (perhaps it wasn't communicated) that tests would include material not covered in her grade level.

I thought this whole discussion started because your student scored an 80 on the Math iReady? And that's why you're also bemoaning math teaching on the FCPS general thread? Or are you not the OP?

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Anonymous wrote:On my DS's AAP package, they only have second grade fall's iready. Make sure she scores above 90% to be safe. 87% is on the border and the students are only compared against those from the same school, so if her school is high SES school 87% won't get her in.

I suggest do some enrichment over the summer to make sure she's ready for second grade.

We started doing some math problems with her. Our school is a no homework school and math seems to be done online in the form of math games. From what I can see, they do addition and subtraction but iready also tests on math they have never been exposed to.

I don't know what iready tests that you think your daughter is not exposed to. My DS tests 97%-99% since 1st grade so I am not paying attention to his math. I just pay for kumon and make sure he does 5 sheets (10 pages) of practice every day. Trust me the whining is epic but it's worth it.

I think OP means that the math on iReady is stuff her daughter hasn't done in class.

OP this is by design. iReady will (within 2 grades) make the test harder until your kid stops getting questions right. If they get everything right the test stops at 2 grades above grade level.

PP here, that makes sense. The other day I was looking at iReady score to percentile mapping chart, and notice that the raw score just keeps going up, but same raw score would map to different percentile at different grade. For example, a 540 at 1st grade is 99% but at 2nd grade would be 85% (just for demonstration purpose, number is not actual) So I do think the iready test is by design goes beyond the grade level, and that would test those kids at grade and above grade.

That unfortunately means preps or learning ahead does help iready score.

I’m looking at the iready letter and we don’t get raw scores. This test is from winter. I know first graders are taking iready this month. My daughter did not do well in the algebra and geometry portions of iready. I’m not sure what kind of algebra and geometry a 6 year old is supposed to be doing.

This makes me want to just send my kid to private school. I want my kid to learn at school. I don’t want to send my kid to math class over the summer to test into AAP.

Algebra (algebraic thinking) and geometry are woven throughout all levels of math education - they aren't just HS.claases. For a 6 yr old algebra is understanding basic expressions and patterns with numbers - so very simple work with equations. For geometry, it's very early work with shapes. You can look at the iReady site for a better understanding.

Also, as PP said, outside math courses are absolutely not necessary to get into AAP - unless your student needs extra support to perform at a high level. Plenty of kids are accepted without ever having taken an enrichment class - in fact, that's true of all of the handful of AAP kids I know personally.

During the few days we did do math with our child, we looked at shapes. My daughter had no idea what a cylinder or cone was. It was pretty easy to teach her. She also had no concept of even or odd. Once we told her, it clicked immediately and she understood. She is a capable and teachable student but she has to be actually taught.

Her class is large with 26 students and one teacher. She is well behaved so I wonder how much attention she is actually receiving. I hear a lot of stories about boys being bad in her class and being sent to the principal.

Agree with the bolded; half of the "math" my DD had trouble with was just the vocabulary, as you describe and also things like being a little put off with three digit addition in first grade when they clearly didn't cover that in class. She comes away a little frustrated and thinking all the tests are "hard," because they are adaptive and bump her up to a higher level of math/reading. This actually dampened her enthusiasm for math.

DS came home and said he had a math questions on the iReady that he did not know. We did a quick search online and found that it was adaptive. We told him that the test would include questions that he did not know how to solve because that is how the test figures out where he is in the subject. He doesn’t need to be worried that he cannot do all the work. He has been fine since then and tells us what questions he got that he could not answer.

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Anonymous wrote:On my DS's AAP package, they only have second grade fall's iready. Make sure she scores above 90% to be safe. 87% is on the border and the students are only compared against those from the same school, so if her school is high SES school 87% won't get her in.

I suggest do some enrichment over the summer to make sure she's ready for second grade.

We started doing some math problems with her. Our school is a no homework school and math seems to be done online in the form of math games. From what I can see, they do addition and subtraction but iready also tests on math they have never been exposed to.

I don't know what iready tests that you think your daughter is not exposed to. My DS tests 97%-99% since 1st grade so I am not paying attention to his math. I just pay for kumon and make sure he does 5 sheets (10 pages) of practice every day. Trust me the whining is epic but it's worth it.

I think OP means that the math on iReady is stuff her daughter hasn't done in class.

OP this is by design. iReady will (within 2 grades) make the test harder until your kid stops getting questions right. If they get everything right the test stops at 2 grades above grade level.

PP here, that makes sense. The other day I was looking at iReady score to percentile mapping chart, and notice that the raw score just keeps going up, but same raw score would map to different percentile at different grade. For example, a 540 at 1st grade is 99% but at 2nd grade would be 85% (just for demonstration purpose, number is not actual) So I do think the iready test is by design goes beyond the grade level, and that would test those kids at grade and above grade.

That unfortunately means preps or learning ahead does help iready score.

I’m looking at the iready letter and we don’t get raw scores. This test is from winter. I know first graders are taking iready this month. My daughter did not do well in the algebra and geometry portions of iready. I’m not sure what kind of algebra and geometry a 6 year old is supposed to be doing.

This makes me want to just send my kid to private school. I want my kid to learn at school. I don’t want to send my kid to math class over the summer to test into AAP.

Algebra (algebraic thinking) and geometry are woven throughout all levels of math education - they aren't just HS.claases. For a 6 yr old algebra is understanding basic expressions and patterns with numbers - so very simple work with equations. For geometry, it's very early work with shapes. You can look at the iReady site for a better understanding.

Also, as PP said, outside math courses are absolutely not necessary to get into AAP - unless your student needs extra support to perform at a high level. Plenty of kids are accepted without ever having taken an enrichment class - in fact, that's true of all of the handful of AAP kids I know personally.

During the few days we did do math with our child, we looked at shapes. My daughter had no idea what a cylinder or cone was. It was pretty easy to teach her. She also had no concept of even or odd. Once we told her, it clicked immediately and she understood. She is a capable and teachable student but she has to be actually taught.

Her class is large with 26 students and one teacher. She is well behaved so I wonder how much attention she is actually receiving. I hear a lot of stories about boys being bad in her class and being sent to the principal.

Agree with the bolded; half of the "math" my DD had trouble with was just the vocabulary, as you describe and also things like being a little put off with three digit addition in first grade when they clearly didn't cover that in class. She comes away a little frustrated and thinking all the tests are "hard," because they are adaptive and bump her up to a higher level of math/reading. This actually dampened her enthusiasm for math.

If your child responds with frustration to a novel math task that hasn’t been completely explained to her, advanced math may not be a good fit.

I'm pretty sure that she'll be fine in advanced math and AAP based on her 99 percentile scores across the board and on teachers' comments. She's just a perfectionist and didn't realize (perhaps it wasn't communicated) that tests would include material not covered in her grade level.

THen you tell her. This isn’t hard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t know if anything has changed the following are looked at
1.nnat
2.cigat
3.dra
4.gbrs
5.work samples.

The DRA and GBRSs are no longer used.

It is NNAT, GoGAT, iReady, HOPE scores, work samples

Report cards from 1st and 2nd are included

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On my DS's AAP package, they only have second grade fall's iready. Make sure she scores above 90% to be safe. 87% is on the border and the students are only compared against those from the same school, so if her school is high SES school 87% won't get her in.

I suggest do some enrichment over the summer to make sure she's ready for second grade.

We started doing some math problems with her. Our school is a no homework school and math seems to be done online in the form of math games. From what I can see, they do addition and subtraction but iready also tests on math they have never been exposed to.

I don't know what iready tests that you think your daughter is not exposed to. My DS tests 97%-99% since 1st grade so I am not paying attention to his math. I just pay for kumon and make sure he does 5 sheets (10 pages) of practice every day. Trust me the whining is epic but it's worth it.

poor kid

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Why? That’s being a parent

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HOPE score is the numbers given on report cards?

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Anonymous wrote:HOPE score is the numbers given on report cards?

Nope, it's this: https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2023-10/hoperatingscale.pdf

The numbers on the report card are this: https://www.fcps.edu/academics/grading-and-reporting/elementary-school

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Anonymous wrote:On my DS's AAP package, they only have second grade fall's iready. Make sure she scores above 90% to be safe. 87% is on the border and the students are only compared against those from the same school, so if her school is high SES school 87% won't get her in.

I suggest do some enrichment over the summer to make sure she's ready for second grade.

We started doing some math problems with her. Our school is a no homework school and math seems to be done online in the form of math games. From what I can see, they do addition and subtraction but iready also tests on math they have never been exposed to.

I don't know what iready tests that you think your daughter is not exposed to. My DS tests 97%-99% since 1st grade so I am not paying attention to his math. I just pay for kumon and make sure he does 5 sheets (10 pages) of practice every day. Trust me the whining is epic but it's worth it.

I think OP means that the math on iReady is stuff her daughter hasn't done in class.

OP this is by design. iReady will (within 2 grades) make the test harder until your kid stops getting questions right. If they get everything right the test stops at 2 grades above grade level.

PP here, that makes sense. The other day I was looking at iReady score to percentile mapping chart, and notice that the raw score just keeps going up, but same raw score would map to different percentile at different grade. For example, a 540 at 1st grade is 99% but at 2nd grade would be 85% (just for demonstration purpose, number is not actual) So I do think the iready test is by design goes beyond the grade level, and that would test those kids at grade and above grade.

That unfortunately means preps or learning ahead does help iready score.

I’m looking at the iready letter and we don’t get raw scores. This test is from winter. I know first graders are taking iready this month. My daughter did not do well in the algebra and geometry portions of iready. I’m not sure what kind of algebra and geometry a 6 year old is supposed to be doing.

This makes me want to just send my kid to private school. I want my kid to learn at school. I don’t want to send my kid to math class over the summer to test into AAP.

Algebra (algebraic thinking) and geometry are woven throughout all levels of math education - they aren't just HS.claases. For a 6 yr old algebra is understanding basic expressions and patterns with numbers - so very simple work with equations. For geometry, it's very early work with shapes. You can look at the iReady site for a better understanding.

Also, as PP said, outside math courses are absolutely not necessary to get into AAP - unless your student needs extra support to perform at a high level. Plenty of kids are accepted without ever having taken an enrichment class - in fact, that's true of all of the handful of AAP kids I know personally.

During the few days we did do math with our child, we looked at shapes. My daughter had no idea what a cylinder or cone was. It was pretty easy to teach her. She also had no concept of even or odd. Once we told her, it clicked immediately and she understood. She is a capable and teachable student but she has to be actually taught.

Her class is large with 26 students and one teacher. She is well behaved so I wonder how much attention she is actually receiving. I hear a lot of stories about boys being bad in her class and being sent to the principal.

Agree with the bolded; half of the "math" my DD had trouble with was just the vocabulary, as you describe and also things like being a little put off with three digit addition in first grade when they clearly didn't cover that in class. She comes away a little frustrated and thinking all the tests are "hard," because they are adaptive and bump her up to a higher level of math/reading. This actually dampened her enthusiasm for math.

If your child responds with frustration to a novel math task that hasn’t been completely explained to her, advanced math may not be a good fit.

I'm pretty sure that she'll be fine in advanced math and AAP based on her 99 percentile scores across the board and on teachers' comments. She's just a perfectionist and didn't realize (perhaps it wasn't communicated) that tests would include material not covered in her grade level.

I thought this whole discussion started because your student scored an 80 on the Math iReady? And that's why you're also bemoaning math teaching on the FCPS general thread? Or are you not the OP?

OP here. PP is not me. My daughter did get 80% on math iready for her winter test. DD just took the math and reading iready this week and she said they were both easy. She said she didn’t know one question on the math. We will see how she does, hopefully over 90% in math. Assuming she learned something in school over the past few months and we went over time, money, shapes and some other topics she didn’t know or was weak in. It was eye opening how much she was NOT learning in school.