Ivy League Schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no "instant credibility for life" as stated by another poster for most Ivy league schools.

Princeton and U Penn-Wharton along with Harvard arguably provide the most assumed credibility.

But when one shares that he/she is a graduate of Brown, Penn (non-Wharton grads), Cornell, Dartmouth, Columbia, or Yale, thoughts other than credibility come to mind.

Broadly speaking, an Ivy League degree suggests that one is smart, hard-working,and ambitious--but, this is true for graduates of northwestern, Chicago, MIT, Stanford, JHU, Duke, WashUStL, Emory, Berkeley, Amherst, Swarthmore, Wellesley, the 3 main service academies, Georgia Tech, CS and engineering majors from many state flagships and many other schools. My assumption is that these non-Ivy grads are just as qualified as any Ivy grad except regarding U Penn-Wharton. I also assume that these non-Ivy grads choose not to pursue any Ivy League education.

PP here.

I sort of agree, but don't think that state school grads get the same presumption of being "smart, hard-working and ambitious" absent other tangible evidence of accomplishment (grades, career accomplishments, etc.).

I don't AGREE with this, but it holds true in my experience.

It depends on the major.

It's safe to assume that anyone graduating with a degree in CS or Engineering from Georgia Tech, UIUC, Purdue, Berkeley, UMD, Texas, Washington, or Michigan is smarter and more accomplished than their counterparts in the same majors at Yale or Brown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son has been accepted to a couple Ivy League schools and I just wanted to hear opinions from others, what are some of the benefits of an Ivy over another top 50 school?

Parents can display the sticker on the back of their car and feel that they are better than those around them. 😉

This is harder than it sounds. Like, I REALLY want people to know my child is at Harvard, but it seems gauche to wear Harvard sweatshirts and have the bumper sticker. What should I do? I've started talking more about visiting Boston and stuff, but my Catholic friends all just think my kid is at Boston College (*gross*). Help!

It's easy. Wear your Harvard Students for Israel/Palestine gear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son has been accepted to a couple Ivy League schools and I just wanted to hear opinions from others, what are some of the benefits of an Ivy over another top 50 school?

Parents can display the sticker on the back of their car and feel that they are better than those around them. 😉

This is harder than it sounds. Like, I REALLY want people to know my child is at Harvard, but it seems gauche to wear Harvard sweatshirts and have the bumper sticker. What should I do? I've started talking more about visiting Boston and stuff, but my Catholic friends all just think my kid is at Boston College (*gross*). Help!

It's easy. Wear your Harvard Students for Israel/Palestine gear.

Hmmm. Good suggestion. I mean, I've tried everything. I had a red sweatshirt that just said Crimson, but four people have come up to me and said "Roll Tide!" I was mortified...how could they think I would send my child to *the South*.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son has been accepted to a couple Ivy League schools and I just wanted to hear opinions from others, what are some of the benefits of an Ivy over another top 50 school?

Parents can display the sticker on the back of their car and feel that they are better than those around them. 😉

This is harder than it sounds. Like, I REALLY want people to know my child is at Harvard, but it seems gauche to wear Harvard sweatshirts and have the bumper sticker. What should I do? I've started talking more about visiting Boston and stuff, but my Catholic friends all just think my kid is at Boston College (*gross*). Help!

It's easy. Wear your Harvard Students for Israel/Palestine gear.

Hmmm. Good suggestion. I mean, I've tried everything. I had a red sweatshirt that just said Crimson, but four people have come up to me and said "Roll Tide!" I was mortified...how could they think I would send my child to *the South*.

Just say "thank God my kid got into the good school, not the one in Jersey or Connecticut, everyone knows Y and P are lower in the alphabet."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of the Ivies are great, but I think only Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Wharton are really differentiated and worthy of premium over a great state flagship.

For example, the merits of paying full tuition for Penn, Brown, Dartmouth or Cornell over in-state UVA is very ambiguous.

depending on major though. For instance, I would pay full-pay Georgetown for a kid in SFS. It's unprecedented--better than Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Two benefits:
1. more doors open when it comes time to look for a job - unless the folks at Columbia tarnish the reputation of the entire Ivy League.

2. benefit from grade inflation, if you graduate with anything less tan a 3.7 you have done something wrong.

Not all Ivys grade inflate, so choose carefully if grade inflation is your goal. At the one I attended, in many years not even the valedictorian graduates with a 4.0.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the Ivies are great, but I think only Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Wharton are really differentiated and worthy of premium over a great state flagship.

For example, the merits of paying full tuition for Penn, Brown, Dartmouth or Cornell over in-state UVA is very ambiguous.

depending on major though. For instance, I would pay full-pay Georgetown for a kid in SFS. It's unprecedented--better than Ivies.

I don't think "unprecedented" means quite what you think it does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the Ivies are great, but I think only Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Wharton are really differentiated and worthy of premium over a great state flagship.

For example, the merits of paying full tuition for Penn, Brown, Dartmouth or Cornell over in-state UVA is very ambiguous.

depending on major though. For instance, I would pay full-pay Georgetown for a kid in SFS. It's unprecedented--better than Ivies.

I don't think "unprecedented" means quite what you think it does.

Never in the history of the world has there been such a foreign service school as they now have at Georgetown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two benefits:
1. more doors open when it comes time to look for a job - unless the folks at Columbia tarnish the reputation of the entire Ivy League.

2. benefit from grade inflation, if you graduate with anything less tan a 3.7 you have done something wrong.

Not all Ivys grade inflate, so choose carefully if grade inflation is your goal. At the one I attended, in many years not even the valedictorian graduates with a 4.0.

I think only Cornell and Dartmouth offer genuine grades at present. The rest of the Ivy League has definitely earned their reputation for grade inflation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no "instant credibility for life" as stated by another poster for most Ivy league schools.

Princeton and U Penn-Wharton along with Harvard arguably provide the most assumed credibility.

But when one shares that he/she is a graduate of Brown, Penn (non-Wharton grads), Cornell, Dartmouth, Columbia, or Yale, thoughts other than credibility come to mind.

Broadly speaking, an Ivy League degree suggests that one is smart, hard-working,and ambitious--but, this is true for graduates of northwestern, Chicago, MIT, Stanford, JHU, Duke, WashUStL, Emory, Berkeley, Amherst, Swarthmore, Wellesley, the 3 main service academies, Georgia Tech, CS and engineering majors from many state flagships and many other schools. My assumption is that these non-Ivy grads are just as qualified as any Ivy grad except regarding U Penn-Wharton. I also assume that these non-Ivy grads choose not to pursue any Ivy League education.

PP here.

I sort of agree, but don't think that state school grads get the same presumption of being "smart, hard-working and ambitious" absent other tangible evidence of accomplishment (grades, career accomplishments, etc.).

I don't AGREE with this, but it holds true in my experience.

It depends on the major.

It's safe to assume that anyone graduating with a degree in CS or Engineering from Georgia Tech, UIUC, Purdue, Berkeley, UMD, Texas, Washington, or Michigan is smarter and more accomplished than their counterparts in the same majors at Yale or Brown.

Nope, it’s definitely not safe to assume. I’ve met plenty of middling, unimpressive grads from the schools you mentioned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the Ivies are great, but I think only Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Wharton are really differentiated and worthy of premium over a great state flagship.

For example, the merits of paying full tuition for Penn, Brown, Dartmouth or Cornell over in-state UVA is very ambiguous.

depending on major though. For instance, I would pay full-pay Georgetown for a kid in SFS. It's unprecedented--better than Ivies.

I don't think "unprecedented" means quite what you think it does.

Never in the history of the world has there been such a foreign service school as they now have at Georgetown.

well to be fair--it's true for the US. lol

SFS was founded in 1919 — 100 years ago — to prepare the U.S. to engage on the global stage and has been preparing future leaders to make the world safer, more equitable, more prosperous, and more peaceful ever since. Fr. Edmund A. Walsh’s vision was a school that would prepare students for all major forms of foreign representation — whether commercial, financial, consular or diplomatic. The War Department (now the Department of Defense) requested Walsh's participation on a board comprised of five educators who designed the academic program for the Student Army Training Corp. The Training Corp educated new military personnel to prepare for America’s entry into the First World War.

This experience drew his attention to the lacking American education in diplomacy, which helped shape Fr. Walsh’s conception of the SFS. He realized Georgetown University, with its DC location and values of service, would be the ideal home for the United States’ first school in international affairs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no "instant credibility for life" as stated by another poster for most Ivy league schools.

Princeton and U Penn-Wharton along with Harvard arguably provide the most assumed credibility.

But when one shares that he/she is a graduate of Brown, Penn (non-Wharton grads), Cornell, Dartmouth, Columbia, or Yale, thoughts other than credibility come to mind.

Broadly speaking, an Ivy League degree suggests that one is smart, hard-working,and ambitious--but, this is true for graduates of northwestern, Chicago, MIT, Stanford, JHU, Duke, WashUStL, Emory, Berkeley, Amherst, Swarthmore, Wellesley, the 3 main service academies, Georgia Tech, CS and engineering majors from many state flagships and many other schools. My assumption is that these non-Ivy grads are just as qualified as any Ivy grad except regarding U Penn-Wharton. I also assume that these non-Ivy grads choose not to pursue any Ivy League education.

PP here.

I sort of agree, but don't think that state school grads get the same presumption of being "smart, hard-working and ambitious" absent other tangible evidence of accomplishment (grades, career accomplishments, etc.).

I don't AGREE with this, but it holds true in my experience.

It depends on the major.

It's safe to assume that anyone graduating with a degree in CS or Engineering from Georgia Tech, UIUC, Purdue, Berkeley, UMD, Texas, Washington, or Michigan is smarter and more accomplished than their counterparts in the same majors at Yale or Brown.

That doesn't make any sense. Perhaps you mean anyone accepted OOS to those schools? Even then...the career outcomes don't justify anything you indicate.

Take a look at the WSJ highest paying undergrads for all STEM fields. Nearly every Ivy League school shows better career outcomes compared to every state school you list for STEM jobs. Only Berkeley registers when comparing the schools. UMD doesn't even make a single one of the lists for STEM careers.

https://www.wsj.com/news/collection/college-pay-80428504

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the Ivies are great, but I think only Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Wharton are really differentiated and worthy of premium over a great state flagship.

For example, the merits of paying full tuition for Penn, Brown, Dartmouth or Cornell over in-state UVA is very ambiguous.

depending on major though. For instance, I would pay full-pay Georgetown for a kid in SFS. It's unprecedented--better than Ivies.

I don't think "unprecedented" means quite what you think it does.

Never in the history of the world has there been such a foreign service school as they now have at Georgetown.

well to be fair--it's true for the US. lol

SFS was founded in 1919 — 100 years ago — to prepare the U.S. to engage on the global stage and has been preparing future leaders to make the world safer, more equitable, more prosperous, and more peaceful ever since. Fr. Edmund A. Walsh’s vision was a school that would prepare students for all major forms of foreign representation — whether commercial, financial, consular or diplomatic. The War Department (now the Department of Defense) requested Walsh's participation on a board comprised of five educators who designed the academic program for the Student Army Training Corp. The Training Corp educated new military personnel to prepare for America’s entry into the First World War.

This experience drew his attention to the lacking American education in diplomacy, which helped shape Fr. Walsh’s conception of the SFS. He realized Georgetown University, with its DC location and values of service, would be the ideal home for the United States’ first school in international affairs.

Don't bother. If the trolls are too stupid to find proper information, don't do their research for them. We have seen them on other college threads here, they have zero idea what they are talking about, they rarely if ever visit schools in person, and toss out bad information as if anyone with a brain listens to them. It's a wonder they can tie their own shoes, really.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the Ivies are great, but I think only Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Wharton are really differentiated and worthy of premium over a great state flagship.

For example, the merits of paying full tuition for Penn, Brown, Dartmouth or Cornell over in-state UVA is very ambiguous.

depending on major though. For instance, I would pay full-pay Georgetown for a kid in SFS. It's unprecedented--better than Ivies.

I don't think "unprecedented" means quite what you think it does.

Never in the history of the world has there been such a foreign service school as they now have at Georgetown.

well to be fair--it's true for the US. lol

SFS was founded in 1919 — 100 years ago — to prepare the U.S. to engage on the global stage and has been preparing future leaders to make the world safer, more equitable, more prosperous, and more peaceful ever since. Fr. Edmund A. Walsh’s vision was a school that would prepare students for all major forms of foreign representation — whether commercial, financial, consular or diplomatic. The War Department (now the Department of Defense) requested Walsh's participation on a board comprised of five educators who designed the academic program for the Student Army Training Corp. The Training Corp educated new military personnel to prepare for America’s entry into the First World War.

This experience drew his attention to the lacking American education in diplomacy, which helped shape Fr. Walsh’s conception of the SFS. He realized Georgetown University, with its DC location and values of service, would be the ideal home for the United States’ first school in international affairs.

Don't bother. If the trolls are too stupid to find proper information, don't do their research for them. We have seen them on other college threads here, they have zero idea what they are talking about, they rarely if ever visit schools in person, and toss out bad information as if anyone with a brain listens to them. It's a wonder they can tie their own shoes, really.

Not to mention, their penchant for attacking schools their former friends were admitted to. Blow me.

[Anonymous]

Well, if Father Walsh said it's unprecedented that's good enough for me.