"Clubs are competitive"

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Anonymous wrote:There are only certain clubs that are competitive, usually all the club sports though some have social participation that accept anyone. Usually business related clubs like investing clubs are competitive and maybe the school paper etc. The vast majority are not.

Omg! No! Club sports are cutthroat at so many schools. Kids that play travel their whole lives often don’t make a squad. They travel to other colleges to play.

Not sure why you responded this way, i said club sports are competitive…

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Yeah, I thought that was a weird response ("Omg! No!"-when they seemed to be affirming what you said.)

The PP's writing was poor and hard to follow. I understand why the poster thought the PP said they weren't competitve. Lack of clarity.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone have insight on business fraternities? Any hazing issues?

My child is a member of DSP, the business fraternity, and it was competitive to get into and obtain a leadership but absolutely no hazing. Nothing but support.

My kid is pledging a business fraternity at a not very competitive school and we call it “academic hazing.” They have to do a ton of work to get in. I would estimate 10+ hours a week for an entire semester. I think they are learning good skills but some of the requirements/advice are very over the top (and I suspect meant to trip them up) and actually not in keeping with modern business practices. They also did things like having undercover brothers during the rush to hear what prospective members were saying.

So not hazing but a ton of work. The kids will earn their spots.

That sounds awful. But finance bros are awful.

Honestly, it’s insane and some of it is stupid. I would not spend my time that way, but my kid is determined to finish and get in.

Yes, the undercover listening is not cool. I know there’s an Accounting Club at my daughter’s school she’s interested in; not a fraternity, just a club. Hopefully not insane to join.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone have insight on business fraternities? Any hazing issues?

My child is a member of DSP, the business fraternity, and it was competitive to get into and obtain a leadership but absolutely no hazing. Nothing but support.

My kid is pledging a business fraternity at a not very competitive school and we call it “academic hazing.” They have to do a ton of work to get in. I would estimate 10+ hours a week for an entire semester. I think they are learning good skills but some of the requirements/advice are very over the top (and I suspect meant to trip them up) and actually not in keeping with modern business practices. They also did things like having undercover brothers during the rush to hear what prospective members were saying.

So not hazing but a ton of work. The kids will earn their spots.

Maybe, or maybe the presidents girlfriend will get in, or the guy who went to the same high school as the treasurer, or the girl who plays volleyball with a couple of current members. The thing about competitive student run clubs is that the veneer of unbiased selection is just that

Like actual jobs? Like actual life?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone have insight on business fraternities? Any hazing issues?

My child is a member of DSP, the business fraternity, and it was competitive to get into and obtain a leadership but absolutely no hazing. Nothing but support.

My kid is pledging a business fraternity at a not very competitive school and we call it “academic hazing.” They have to do a ton of work to get in. I would estimate 10+ hours a week for an entire semester. I think they are learning good skills but some of the requirements/advice are very over the top (and I suspect meant to trip them up) and actually not in keeping with modern business practices. They also did things like having undercover brothers during the rush to hear what prospective members were saying.

So not hazing but a ton of work. The kids will earn their spots.

Maybe, or maybe the presidents girlfriend will get in, or the guy who went to the same high school as the treasurer, or the girl who plays volleyball with a couple of current members. The thing about competitive student run clubs is that the veneer of unbiased selection is just that

Like actual jobs? Like actual life?

The difference is you aren't paying prospective employers 80k a year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are only certain clubs that are competitive, usually all the club sports though some have social participation that accept anyone. Usually business related clubs like investing clubs are competitive and maybe the school paper etc. The vast majority are not.

Omg! No! Club sports are cutthroat at so many schools. Kids that play travel their whole lives often don’t make a squad. They travel to other colleges to play.

Not sure why you responded this way, i said club sports are competitive…

NP here
Yeah, I thought that was a weird response ("Omg! No!"-when they seemed to be affirming what you said.)

The PP's writing was poor and hard to follow. I understand why the poster thought the PP said they weren't competitve. Lack of clarity.

PP you quoted (at 8:36) here
I thought it was very clear what the poster at 7:35 was saying.

[Anonymous]

There was a whole article about this in the Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/yale-college-undergrad-clubs-competitive/675219/)....what was upsetting was the exclusiveness of clubs that had no reason to be exclusive.

I have found this to be true at my DC's school and her friends at other schools say similar things. In an age where kids have a hard enough time connecting with one another, I found it quite disheartening.

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Anonymous wrote:Some activities require talent or ability and a tryout/audition/application is required to show that. Some don't.

If you haven't learned this in high school, I guess it might be a wake up call in college, but I doubt most students are all that surprised.

Oh, please. In our HS, some athletics have tryouts and some are no-cut. Other than the honor societies, not of the others have applications. You have interest. You show up, You are in.

Thanks for agree that there are tryouts in high school for some activities.

Yeah, like soccer. There aren't tryouts for social, service or leadership clubs. That's the point. Everyone knows many sports have tryouts. That obviously wasn't the type of club referenced in the original question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone have insight on business fraternities? Any hazing issues?

My child is a member of DSP, the business fraternity, and it was competitive to get into and obtain a leadership but absolutely no hazing. Nothing but support.

My kid is pledging a business fraternity at a not very competitive school and we call it “academic hazing.” They have to do a ton of work to get in. I would estimate 10+ hours a week for an entire semester. I think they are learning good skills but some of the requirements/advice are very over the top (and I suspect meant to trip them up) and actually not in keeping with modern business practices. They also did things like having undercover brothers during the rush to hear what prospective members were saying.

So not hazing but a ton of work. The kids will earn their spots.

Maybe, or maybe the presidents girlfriend will get in, or the guy who went to the same high school as the treasurer, or the girl who plays volleyball with a couple of current members. The thing about competitive student run clubs is that the veneer of unbiased selection is just that

Like actual jobs? Like actual life?

Yes, that’s what the PP is saying. The idea that the students earn their spots is naive when other students have the power to admit whomever they like with little oversight or transparency. Like life. Just don’t think it’s actually merit-based.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone have insight on business fraternities? Any hazing issues?

Business fraternities tend to be the most competitive.

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Most top colleges have consulting and business clubs. DD had to do a presentation to get in and was super lucky she made it. Impossible to pad the resume when these clubs are so competitive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In recent posts about UF and Georgetown, posters have lamented that getting into clubs is competitive. I've seen that about other schools, as well. When we've gone on tours, every school has talked about their variety of clubs and made them sound like they were open to anyone who wanted to join. "I signed up for 50 clubs!" "If there isn't a club for what you want, you can start one." Can someone provide some insight into these "competitive" clubs? No one is talking about this on tours.

Freshman at large public
Tried out and made club sports team;
Applied and not accepted to major related social/educational club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most top colleges have consulting and business clubs. DD had to do a presentation to get in and was super lucky she made it. Impossible to pad the resume when these clubs are so competitive.

I’d be interested in hearing from others that hire, but I honestly don’t care about clubs. Something interesting may be a topic of conversation in an interview but I’m not making decisions based on clubs.

[Anonymous]

Getting into most clubs at Georgetown is a full-time job and uber competitive -- think essays and multiple interviews. Same holds true at Yale, Berkeley and UCLA. It's such a shame because it really limits students to clubs that align with their previous experiences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most top colleges have consulting and business clubs. DD had to do a presentation to get in and was super lucky she made it. Impossible to pad the resume when these clubs are so competitive.

I’d be interested in hearing from others that hire, but I honestly don’t care about clubs. Something interesting may be a topic of conversation in an interview but I’m not making decisions based on clubs.

Then you are definitely not hiring for desperately-sought-after consulting positions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone have insight on business fraternities? Any hazing issues?

My child is a member of DSP, the business fraternity, and it was competitive to get into and obtain a leadership but absolutely no hazing. Nothing but support.

My kid is pledging a business fraternity at a not very competitive school and we call it “academic hazing.” They have to do a ton of work to get in. I would estimate 10+ hours a week for an entire semester. I think they are learning good skills but some of the requirements/advice are very over the top (and I suspect meant to trip them up) and actually not in keeping with modern business practices. They also did things like having undercover brothers during the rush to hear what prospective members were saying.

So not hazing but a ton of work. The kids will earn their spots.

Maybe, or maybe the presidents girlfriend will get in, or the guy who went to the same high school as the treasurer, or the girl who plays volleyball with a couple of current members. The thing about competitive student run clubs is that the veneer of unbiased selection is just that

Like actual jobs? Like actual life?

The difference is you aren't paying prospective employers 80k a year

And? You think tuition should = admission to exclusive clubs? It doesn't work that way. Tuition won't get you on the football team at Alabama or Michigan either.