Government clearance and marijuana

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about drug testing for fed jobs and marijuana use?

Yes, you are not allowed to continue marijuana as a fed. The OP asked about prior usage. You can be fired if it's found during a random drug test.

Most feds aren't drug tested and don't have a security clearance, though, just a public trust clearance. Those feds can do whatever they want.

[Anonymous]

How about a shrooms chocolate bar a year ago? Same deal as pot or way worse?

Psilocybin mushrooms have been decriminalized in a lot of places.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't disclose use something years ago. I'd just answer that I never have. There is zero proof you did.

Though, this will make the nerds and old fogies here lose their sh*t.

Dishonesty is a much bigger deal than marijuana use in the distant past. And I will assure you that this “There is zero proof that you did” stuff is nonsense. You clearly have not been through a background investigation.

—neither a nerd nor an “old fogie”

Oh, you think my freshman roommate from College will say "Yeah, I remember Bill smoking weed at a frat party in 1988." and you'll be shut down?

But they won’t go that far back - so you won’t be asked and you won’t have to lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about a shrooms chocolate bar a year ago? Same deal as pot or way worse?

Psilocybin mushrooms have been decriminalized in a lot of places.

Lol, screwed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about a shrooms chocolate bar a year ago? Same deal as pot or way worse?

Psilocybin mushrooms have been decriminalized in a lot of places.

Lol, screwed

Doubtful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't disclose use something years ago. I'd just answer that I never have. There is zero proof you did.

Though, this will make the nerds and old fogies here lose their sh*t.

Dishonesty is a much bigger deal than marijuana use in the distant past. And I will assure you that this “There is zero proof that you did” stuff is nonsense. You clearly have not been through a background investigation.

—neither a nerd nor an “old fogie”

Oh, you think my freshman roommate from College will say "Yeah, I remember Bill smoking weed at a frat party in 1988." and you'll be shut down?

But they won’t go that far back - so you won’t be asked and you won’t have to lie.

I mean as far as asking you about your prior drug use. They might for other reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about drug testing for fed jobs and marijuana use?

Yes, you are not allowed to continue marijuana as a fed. The OP asked about prior usage. You can be fired if it's found during a random drug test.

Most feds aren't drug tested and don't have a security clearance, though, just a public trust clearance. Those feds can do whatever they want.

You can’t use marijuana or other drugs when holding a Public Trust. If you admit to it during a Public Trust renewal or upgrading to a Secret or TS clearance, it is an automatic disqualifier and you will lose your job.

Never got drug tested in connection with my Public Trust - High Risk at two former agencies. When I accepted my job at a 3rd agency that required a TS, I had to do a drug test.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely not.
Just don’t lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about a shrooms chocolate bar a year ago? Same deal as pot or way worse?

Psilocybin mushrooms have been decriminalized in a lot of places.

Automatic disqualifier if you were a federal employee, military or law enforcement when you consumed a year ago.

Likely disqualification if you consumed within 6 months prior to applying for the job. They are more relaxed with pot than shrooms.

Though if if was an isolated incident and your references don’t know about it, then…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For past use it depends on the agency and the role, but current use is always disqualifying. Law enforcement agencies will have more stringent policies around prior use than many others, for example.

There are nuances, too, such as whether usage involved sales or just being an individual buyer. Frequency and recency are the two primary factors which will be examined and ajudicated. Occasional use in an environment where the culture promoted/accepted use, e.g., college, is viewed differently than use by an adult who could be expected to have more mature judgment about using something which is illegal under federal law.

Solid answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't disclose use something years ago. I'd just answer that I never have. There is zero proof you did.

Though, this will make the nerds and old fogies here lose their sh*t.

Dishonesty is a much bigger deal than marijuana use in the distant past. And I will assure you that this “There is zero proof that you did” stuff is nonsense. You clearly have not been through a background investigation.

—neither a nerd nor an “old fogie”

Agreed.

Don’t take our word for it, go read some clearance appeal cases. People get caught lying all the time. And they never win their appeals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't disclose use something years ago. I'd just answer that I never have. There is zero proof you did.

Though, this will make the nerds and old fogies here lose their sh*t.

Dishonesty is a much bigger deal than marijuana use in the distant past. And I will assure you that this “There is zero proof that you did” stuff is nonsense. You clearly have not been through a background investigation.

—neither a nerd nor an “old fogie”

Oh, you think my freshman roommate from College will say "Yeah, I remember Bill smoking weed at a frat party in 1988." and you'll be shut down?

Why did you list someone from 35 years ago as a reference?

Not that PP, but you aren’t listing “references” on a background check. The investigators will talk to someone from every school, from every job, and someone who knew you at every address. And they will often branch out from the people you list.

Yep. They will talk to neighbors. It is not just people you list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't disclose use something years ago. I'd just answer that I never have. There is zero proof you did.

Though, this will make the nerds and old fogies here lose their sh*t.

Dishonesty is a much bigger deal than marijuana use in the distant past. And I will assure you that this “There is zero proof that you did” stuff is nonsense. You clearly have not been through a background investigation.

—neither a nerd nor an “old fogie”

Oh, you think my freshman roommate from College will say "Yeah, I remember Bill smoking weed at a frat party in 1988." and you'll be shut down?

Why did you list someone from 35 years ago as a reference?

Not that PP, but you aren’t listing “references” on a background check. The investigators will talk to someone from every school, from every job, and someone who knew you at every address. And they will often branch out from the people you list.

Yep. They will talk to neighbors. It is not just people you list.

Whatever. The people doing background investigations are not the sharpest tools in the shed. They are not super detectives or else they’d have sexier jobs. They are mostly phoning it in and aren’t going to “branch out” in any way that’s going to turn up your stoner friend from years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't disclose use something years ago. I'd just answer that I never have. There is zero proof you did.

Though, this will make the nerds and old fogies here lose their sh*t.

Dishonesty is a much bigger deal than marijuana use in the distant past. And I will assure you that this “There is zero proof that you did” stuff is nonsense. You clearly have not been through a background investigation.

—neither a nerd nor an “old fogie”

Oh, you think my freshman roommate from College will say "Yeah, I remember Bill smoking weed at a frat party in 1988." and you'll be shut down?

Why did you list someone from 35 years ago as a reference?

np OP

Not that PP, but you aren’t listing “references” on a background check. The investigators will talk to someone from every school, from every job, and someone who knew you at every address. And they will often branch out from the people you list.

Yep. They will talk to neighbors. It is not just people you list.

Who’s dumb enough to do drugs in front of their neighbors?

[Anonymous]

We don’t want / need druggies in the government hopefully you get disqualified.