How to ace the HOPE

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

What exactly does this mean?
Is it like this: school committee puts students in different groups like
Black students: Williams, Johnson, Smith, Jones,...
Indian American student: Deepak, Amir, Krishna.....
East asian orgin: Chen, Zhang, Park, Cui,
Latino group: lopez, Perez, Garcia....
Whit: Smith, Hunter,.....
Then create and apply different standards for each group?
This sounds a lot of work. Is this the reason that the process takes so long?

Yes, thanks for your understanding why it takes so long.
Specifically, teachers are required to assign a comparative rating. Let's say a latino 3rd grade child is observed to perform above grade double digit division. So, for the "7. Exhibits intellectual intensity" item they would be receiving a "Always" rating. But later in the week, another latino kid in that same class was observed to be asking an even higher math level related question, say decimal division. Now the teacher is required to assign Always to this second child, and change first student's rating to Sometimes.

“To what degree does this student exhibit the behavior as compared to other children of similar age, background, experience, culture, and/or environment?”

Guys this person is not a teacher, they are trolling you.

Couldnt tell if poster is teacher or not. Anyways, it appears students are grouped various ways, and the teachers are being asked to assign rating by comparing a student to other students within their racial group, not entire class. This is new with HOPE that did not happen with GBRS methodology?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

This link is from Kentucky? These are not the instructions FCPS teachers were given.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

This link is from Kentucky? These are not the instructions FCPS teachers were given.

You can see an excerpt from HOPE scoring manual from post of this thread at 03/27/2024 14:40. In the HOPE manual it instructs "when rating your students, try to compare from low-income families to other children from low-income famillies, children from specific culture groups to other children from the same cultural group, girls to girls etc." The KY manual is merely a interpretation of the scoring manual. I don't see KY manual above made any unreasonable interpretation of cultural group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

This link is from Kentucky? These are not the instructions FCPS teachers were given.

You can see an excerpt from HOPE scoring manual from post of this thread at 03/27/2024 14:40. In the HOPE manual it instructs "when rating your students, try to compare from low-income families to other children from low-income famillies, children from specific culture groups to other children from the same cultural group, girls to girls etc." The KY manual is merely an interpretation of the scoring manual. I don't see KY manual above made any unreasonable interpretation of cultural group.

That still isn't the instructions teachers were given. Teachers were just told to rate the children. They were discouraged from comparing students to other students and just focus on rating areas of strength compared to the average. Not the average of similar demographics, just "more than normal."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

This link is from Kentucky? These are not the instructions FCPS teachers were given.

You can see an excerpt from HOPE scoring manual from post of this thread at 03/27/2024 14:40. In the HOPE manual it instructs "when rating your students, try to compare from low-income families to other children from low-income famillies, children from specific culture groups to other children from the same cultural group, girls to girls etc." The KY manual is merely an interpretation of the scoring manual. I don't see KY manual above made any unreasonable interpretation of cultural group.

That still isn't the instructions teachers were given. Teachers were just told to rate the children. They were discouraged from comparing students to other students and just focus on rating areas of strength compared to the average. Not the average of similar demographics, just "more than normal."

Teachers were specifically told to go by race/ethnicity, the only parameter that's officially on students record for vast majority of students. the low income categorization applies to only small percent of students. there is no field named culture on student's record.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

This link is from Kentucky? These are not the instructions FCPS teachers were given.

You can see an excerpt from HOPE scoring manual from post of this thread at 03/27/2024 14:40. In the HOPE manual it instructs "when rating your students, try to compare from low-income families to other children from low-income famillies, children from specific culture groups to other children from the same cultural group, girls to girls etc." The KY manual is merely an interpretation of the scoring manual. I don't see KY manual above made any unreasonable interpretation of cultural group.

That still isn't the instructions teachers were given. Teachers were just told to rate the children. They were discouraged from comparing students to other students and just focus on rating areas of strength compared to the average. Not the average of similar demographics, just "more than normal."

Teachers were specifically told to go by race/ethnicity, the only parameter that's officially on students record for vast majority of students. the low income categorization applies to only small percent of students. there is no field named culture on student's record.

I am saying this as a teacher who was trained: we were never told to judge by race/ethnicity. We were not told to only compare students to students with similar backgrounds. We were told "compare them to the average student." That was it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

This link is from Kentucky? These are not the instructions FCPS teachers were given.

You can see an excerpt from HOPE scoring manual from post of this thread at 03/27/2024 14:40. In the HOPE manual it instructs "when rating your students, try to compare from low-income families to other children from low-income famillies, children from specific culture groups to other children from the same cultural group, girls to girls etc." The KY manual is merely an interpretation of the scoring manual. I don't see KY manual above made any unreasonable interpretation of cultural group.

That still isn't the instructions teachers were given. Teachers were just told to rate the children. They were discouraged from comparing students to other students and just focus on rating areas of strength compared to the average. Not the average of similar demographics, just "more than normal."

Teachers were specifically told to go by race/ethnicity, the only parameter that's officially on students record for vast majority of students. the low income categorization applies to only small percent of students. there is no field named culture on student's record.

I am saying this as a teacher who was trained: we were never told to judge by race/ethnicity. We were not told to only compare students to students with similar backgrounds. We were told "compare them to the average student." That was it.

Which school are you at?
It appears not all teachers received the same training. This is the official manual referenced during the training.
https://www.routledge.com/HOPE-Teacher-Rating-Scale-Involving-Teachers-in-Equitable-Identification-of-Gifted-and-Talented-Students-in-K-12-Manual/Gentry-Pereira-Peters-McIntosh-Fugate/p/book/9781618214522

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

This link is from Kentucky? These are not the instructions FCPS teachers were given.

You can see an excerpt from HOPE scoring manual from post of this thread at 03/27/2024 14:40. In the HOPE manual it instructs "when rating your students, try to compare from low-income families to other children from low-income famillies, children from specific culture groups to other children from the same cultural group, girls to girls etc." The KY manual is merely an interpretation of the scoring manual. I don't see KY manual above made any unreasonable interpretation of cultural group.

That still isn't the instructions teachers were given. Teachers were just told to rate the children. They were discouraged from comparing students to other students and just focus on rating areas of strength compared to the average. Not the average of similar demographics, just "more than normal."

Teachers were specifically told to go by race/ethnicity, the only parameter that's officially on students record for vast majority of students. the low income categorization applies to only small percent of students. there is no field named culture on student's record.

I am saying this as a teacher who was trained: we were never told to judge by race/ethnicity. We were not told to only compare students to students with similar backgrounds. We were told "compare them to the average student." That was it.

Teacher? It's strange that you skipped to the third page to post but didn't address OP's basic question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

This link is from Kentucky? These are not the instructions FCPS teachers were given.

You can see an excerpt from HOPE scoring manual from post of this thread at 03/27/2024 14:40. In the HOPE manual it instructs "when rating your students, try to compare from low-income families to other children from low-income famillies, children from specific culture groups to other children from the same cultural group, girls to girls etc." The KY manual is merely an interpretation of the scoring manual. I don't see KY manual above made any unreasonable interpretation of cultural group.

That still isn't the instructions teachers were given. Teachers were just told to rate the children. They were discouraged from comparing students to other students and just focus on rating areas of strength compared to the average. Not the average of similar demographics, just "more than normal."

Teachers were specifically told to go by race/ethnicity, the only parameter that's officially on students record for vast majority of students. the low income categorization applies to only small percent of students. there is no field named culture on student's record.

I am saying this as a teacher who was trained: we were never told to judge by race/ethnicity. We were not told to only compare students to students with similar backgrounds. We were told "compare them to the average student." That was it.

Which school are you at?
It appears not all teachers received the same training. This is the official manual referenced during the training.
https://www.routledge.com/HOPE-Teacher-Rating-Scale-Involving-Teachers-in-Equitable-Identification-of-Gifted-and-Talented-Students-in-K-12-Manual/Gentry-Pereira-Peters-McIntosh-Fugate/p/book/9781618214522

Where does that manual refer to race or ethnicity?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a teacher that fills these HOPE worksheets, can you provide practical examples on what you noticed that caused you to assign a "Always" or "Almost Always" rating for one or more of these attributes:
(please provide practical examples what the student did in the classroom or said/asked the teacher )
Academic:
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1) Performs or shows potential for performing at remarkably high levels.
6) Is eager to explore new concepts.
7) Exhibits intellectual intensity.
9) Uses alternative approaches or processes.
10) Thinks "outside the box.”
11) Has intense interests.

Social:
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2) Is sensitive to larger or deeper issues of human concern.
3) Is self-aware.
4) Shows compassion for others.
5) Is a leader within their group of peers.
8) Effectively interacts with adults or older students.

https://davis.agendaonline.net/public/Meeting/Attachments/DisplayAttachment.aspx?AttachmentID=238383&IsArchive=0

Items 1, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11 are Academic. Items 2, 3, 4, 5, 8 are Social. Academic subscore and Social subscore are compiled by student group - based on ethnicity, income group, etc.? Students are not compared as whole but within the subgroup they belong to? Is this how it works?
Is there a link to the entire HOPE administration manual?

How does FCPS obtain parents income data?
And grouping by ethnicity? isn't this legally risky?

It says "compare those from low-income families to .... low-income families". Likely from the reduced/free lunch application.

I think the way is questionable. "For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from specific cultural groups to other children from the same cultural group, girls to girls, etc."

The instruction suggest comparing Asian students against other Asian students, so a Latino "Always" turns into an Asian "often"? The effect would be establishing certain gender or culture group "bias" that disfavors certain groups esp. those Asian groups might have a small sample size?

I am not fan of the crazy TJ lawsuit parent group but this instruction seems to imply such bias is baked into the evaluation.

When TJ's merit-based admission was eliminated and replaced with a racial balancing admissions policy, the vast majority of the FCPS parent community allowed it to happen, believing it shouldn't affect all schools. However, with the top school's non-merit-based admissions now firmly in place, it's natural to expect the progressive school board to target downstream programs like AAP. Racial balancing means boosting underrepresented groups at the expense of reducing the overrepresented ones. This isn't about AAP's capacity or budget, both of which are ample, but its about the diversity pie chart and each group's "relative" percentage. The contagion has begun, and it may not be stoppable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

Wow! Public school systems are no longer hiding it, but are blatantly providing formal instructions to teachers to evaluate students based on race ...

Is there a link to the FCPS HOPE teacher training material?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

This link is from Kentucky? These are not the instructions FCPS teachers were given.

You can see an excerpt from HOPE scoring manual from post of this thread at 03/27/2024 14:40. In the HOPE manual it instructs "when rating your students, try to compare from low-income families to other children from low-income famillies, children from specific culture groups to other children from the same cultural group, girls to girls etc." The KY manual is merely an interpretation of the scoring manual. I don't see KY manual above made any unreasonable interpretation of cultural group.

That still isn't the instructions teachers were given. Teachers were just told to rate the children. They were discouraged from comparing students to other students and just focus on rating areas of strength compared to the average. Not the average of similar demographics, just "more than normal."

Teachers were specifically told to go by race/ethnicity, the only parameter that's officially on students record for vast majority of students. the low income categorization applies to only small percent of students. there is no field named culture on student's record.

I am saying this as a teacher who was trained: we were never told to judge by race/ethnicity. We were not told to only compare students to students with similar backgrounds. We were told "compare them to the average student." That was it.

Teacher? It's strange that you skipped to the third page to post but didn't address OP's basic question.

You're right, you've uncovered a vast conspiracy! Does this go all the way to the top? Calm down, I just didn't want to write the essay OP was looking for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

Wow! Public school systems are no longer hiding it, but are blatantly providing formal instructions to teachers to evaluate students based on race ...

Is there a link to the FCPS HOPE teacher training material?

This was a five minute training during a CLT. I think there were three slides, all of them on the technical aspect of using the app, not on how to judge the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

This link is from Kentucky? These are not the instructions FCPS teachers were given.

You can see an excerpt from HOPE scoring manual from post of this thread at 03/27/2024 14:40. In the HOPE manual it instructs "when rating your students, try to compare from low-income families to other children from low-income famillies, children from specific culture groups to other children from the same cultural group, girls to girls etc." The KY manual is merely an interpretation of the scoring manual. I don't see KY manual above made any unreasonable interpretation of cultural group.

That still isn't the instructions teachers were given. Teachers were just told to rate the children. They were discouraged from comparing students to other students and just focus on rating areas of strength compared to the average. Not the average of similar demographics, just "more than normal."

Teachers were specifically told to go by race/ethnicity, the only parameter that's officially on students record for vast majority of students. the low income categorization applies to only small percent of students. there is no field named culture on student's record.

I am saying this as a teacher who was trained: we were never told to judge by race/ethnicity. We were not told to only compare students to students with similar backgrounds. We were told "compare them to the average student." That was it.

Teacher? It's strange that you skipped to the third page to post but didn't address OP's basic question.

You're right, you've uncovered a vast conspiracy! Does this go all the way to the top? Calm down, I just didn't want to write the essay OP was looking for.

The more you respond, the more doubtful one becomes of you being a teacher. What kind of teacher are you if you consider a simple reply to be as much work as an essay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf
No joke, HOPE is racist! Teachers are being forced to assess students based on their race:

"For example, when rating your students, try to compare those from low-income families to other children from low-income families, children from African-American families to other children from African-American families, (Asian Americans children to other Asian American children, White children to other White children), etc."

This link is from Kentucky? These are not the instructions FCPS teachers were given.

You can see an excerpt from HOPE scoring manual from post of this thread at 03/27/2024 14:40. In the HOPE manual it instructs "when rating your students, try to compare from low-income families to other children from low-income famillies, children from specific culture groups to other children from the same cultural group, girls to girls etc." The KY manual is merely an interpretation of the scoring manual. I don't see KY manual above made any unreasonable interpretation of cultural group.

That still isn't the instructions teachers were given. Teachers were just told to rate the children. They were discouraged from comparing students to other students and just focus on rating areas of strength compared to the average. Not the average of similar demographics, just "more than normal."

Teachers were specifically told to go by race/ethnicity, the only parameter that's officially on students record for vast majority of students. the low income categorization applies to only small percent of students. there is no field named culture on student's record.

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