TJ drop outs under the new admission standards

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No and no.

Your post implies that more kids have dropped out and it is because of the new admissions, which might be the case. There are kids who never would have thought about TJ that had a chance to try TJ. Some more might drop out because it is a new school and a new type of program for them. Some of those kids are going to stay and find their groove at TJ. That learning process is a part of education. Guess what, there are kids who apply to all sorts of college that go and drop out, even the Ivies.

How about we stop demonizing 12 and 13 year olds and just let them be kids and figure out what school works best for them?

Not sure why some people think that questioning the effectiveness of a brand new, controversial admissions system has anything to do with demonizing kids.

Because you are obsessed with a school and so determined to show that only your way of admitting people leads to success that you are ignoring that the people that you are complaining about being admitted are kids. Because your view doesn't see the opportunities being granted to kids who had no clue that they had this path and see anything other then admittance to a top engineering school by this entire class as a failure. Because you see the kids who were accepted from non-traditional schools for TJ as having taken the spots of kids from schools like Carson and seem to be interested in finding any measure that shows that those kids are lesser.

It is gross.

It might have been gross if your argument had any logical coherence. As-is, however, you're assuming quite a bit about the thinking and motives of people you've never met. I'm also inclined to say that you're abusing the idea of discrimination to falsely discredit points of view you wouldn't otherwise know how to deal with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would expect the dropout % to increase merely because of the increased logistics and life complexities required for a student who has less support at home.

+1. I was going to post this as well. Doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t handle the academics. Just that they don’t have the parental support to cross the logistical hurdles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would expect the dropout % to increase merely because of the increased logistics and life complexities required for a student who has less support at home.

+1. I was going to post this as well. Doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t handle the academics. Just that they don’t have the parental support to cross the logistical hurdles.

No, there are students who were admitted that should not have been and those that were denied that would have thrived. Give the students some credit. They are smart enough to know if they are a better fit for the school than the school board or admissions committee. Some of them got swept away in the excitement and may have ruined their college admissions chances now. The teachers and guidance counselors need to offer some honest advice to the new 2026 applicants on whether to accept or not if they get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe this was what PP was trying to share but the FCPS monthly membership reports indicate that, as of January 2022, TJ's enrollment was down 11 students from the beginning of the 2021-22 school year.

Over the same periods in 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18, TJ's enrollment was down 4, 2, 11 and 6 students, respectively.

So more kids leaving TJ than in 3 or the past 4 years, but no more than in one of those years (2018-19).

Recall also that the raw number of students in this class is significantly larger than previous years. We've gone from 480 to 550.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe this was what PP was trying to share but the FCPS monthly membership reports indicate that, as of January 2022, TJ's enrollment was down 11 students from the beginning of the 2021-22 school year.

Over the same periods in 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18, TJ's enrollment was down 4, 2, 11 and 6 students, respectively.

So more kids leaving TJ than in 3 or the past 4 years, but no more than in one of those years (2018-19).

Recall also that the raw number of students in this class is significantly larger than previous years. We've gone from 480 to 550.

I am OP. Thanks - this is a relevant fact to consider.

I am persuaded we should wait for the end of February numbers (released in early March) before drawing conclusions. And yes, there are several plausible explanations possible.

[Anonymous]

Why would you draw any “conclusions” from a single data point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe this was what PP was trying to share but the FCPS monthly membership reports indicate that, as of January 2022, TJ's enrollment was down 11 students from the beginning of the 2021-22 school year.

Over the same periods in 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18, TJ's enrollment was down 4, 2, 11 and 6 students, respectively.

So more kids leaving TJ than in 3 or the past 4 years, but no more than in one of those years (2018-19).

Recall also that the raw number of students in this class is significantly larger than previous years. We've gone from 480 to 550.

[Anonymous]

OP here. As I mentioned, my child has applied. I have a personal interest in learning about TJ.

Thanks to you, I now have factual data to compare to what I heard.

The comparison may change significantly or be more meaningful come the first or second week of March.

Ergo, I will leave this thread for a few weeks, then revive it in March.

[Anonymous]

Does TJ admit kids for sophomore year? Ie if 20 kids drop out freshman year can those spots go to others to join the class sophomore year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does TJ admit kids for sophomore year? Ie if 20 kids drop out freshman year can those spots go to others to join the class sophomore year?

They admit 4 or 5 froshmores as they are called every year. Applications open in April

[Anonymous]

Why wouldn't they fill all the open slots? That seems silly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they fill all the open slots? That seems silly

You don't want an incoming class of 550 to burst to 575 to accommodate sophomores in the freshman stats classes etc. all students have to take.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would expect the dropout % to increase merely because of the increased logistics and life complexities required for a student who has less support at home.

+1. I was going to post this as well. Doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t handle the academics. Just that they don’t have the parental support to cross the logistical hurdles.

No, there are students who were admitted that should not have been and those that were denied that would have thrived. Give the students some credit. They are smart enough to know if they are a better fit for the school than the school board or admissions committee. Some of them got swept away in the excitement and may have ruined their college admissions chances now. The teachers and guidance counselors need to offer some honest advice to the new 2026 applicants on whether to accept or not if they get in.

Love how these comments are framed as if you really care about "those kids" college admissions chances. My guess is that your kid did not get in. Other kids did. Just stop with the act of caring. You care that YOUR KID gets admission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would expect the dropout % to increase merely because of the increased logistics and life complexities required for a student who has less support at home.

+1. I was going to post this as well. Doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t handle the academics. Just that they don’t have the parental support to cross the logistical hurdles.

No, there are students who were admitted that should not have been and those that were denied that would have thrived. Give the students some credit. They are smart enough to know if they are a better fit for the school than the school board or admissions committee. Some of them got swept away in the excitement and may have ruined their college admissions chances now. The teachers and guidance counselors need to offer some honest advice to the new 2026 applicants on whether to accept or not if they get in.

Love how these comments are framed as if you really care about "those kids" college admissions chances. My guess is that your kid did not get in. Other kids did. Just stop with the act of caring. You care that YOUR KID gets admission.

Hi - OP again. Just noticed someone bumped my thread to the top again with their opinion.

Please don’t.

I ask that we table this discussion until the first or second week of March, when the actual data comes out, and we can all see the same facts.

Only then can we honestly compare this year to last years, and then speculate at the causes.

As of right now (2/22) there do not appear to be a record number of dropouts. That may continue to hold true, or it could change.

But please don’t respond until after March 7.
TIA!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe this was what PP was trying to share but the FCPS monthly membership reports indicate that, as of January 2022, TJ's enrollment was down 11 students from the beginning of the 2021-22 school year.

Over the same periods in 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-19, and 2017-18, TJ's enrollment was down 4, 2, 11 and 6 students, respectively.

So more kids leaving TJ than in 3 or the past 4 years, but no more than in one of those years (2018-19).

The more relevant statistic should be among 9th graders. Among 9th graders enrollment fell (as of January 2022) by 8 students.

Over the same periods in 2020-21, 2019-20, 2018-2019, 2017-18 TJ's enrollment was down 1, 1, 5 and 1 among 9th graders.

In other words, kids leaving TJ is quite alarming on a statistical level. This will probably widen as the months go by.