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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.
LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.
There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.
But, sure carry on with the head scratching.
Everyone supports a ceasefire in the abstract. If you were to ask people do you support Hamas releasing the hostages, I'm pretty sure you'd find near universal agreement there too - except among many of the protesters.
The student protesters with their incoherent demands are a fringe. Yes, they have a real issue, but just like the protesters for Occupy Wall Street and BLM they are marginalizing the very issue they care about. Slogans like "Defund the police" and "From the river to the sea" make it impossible for the mainstream to support the progressive left. By election day, Gaza will be a non-issue for mainstream America. Nothing more than a little background noise.
If your head is buried, a roar sounds like background noise.
I find it interesting how progressives are effectively cheering for a Trump victory. Like being able to say "I told you so" for a day is totally worth four years of misery - not just for women, minorities, the poor, the young, the environment, health care, but for Palestinians in particular. I never thought I'd see the day when the left is cheering for the Jared Kushner solution to the Middle East, but here we are.
It’s people like you who are not listening, and taking people’s votes for granted. I despise minority rule, and have protested it every time the GOP has allowed it. Now, the Dems are doing the very same — at their own risk. If you think I’m cheering, you are sadly mistaken. This is 💯 on Biden and the Dems. If they truly cared about the US Biden would step down. It’s that simple.
Right now this is a race between two massive egos. Trump is one, but Biden is one too. He is only in it to beat Trump again.
There is zero reason the DNC needs to put up Biden. Zero.
Let me get this straight. The progressive solution to the problems in Gaza is for Biden to resign the presidency. And then everything will turn into rainbows and unicorns for the Palestinian people. It's that simple for the left.
Never mind that President Kamala Harris will lose to Trump in nearly all fifty states. The down ballot realities will ensure that Republicans keep the Senate and likely the House too, not to mention most of the competitive State houses. An aggressively right wing pro-Israel cohort of evangelicals and allies of Bezalel Smotrich, the head of the Religious Zionist party, will then dictate US policy toward Israel. And these right wing advisors, who enthusiastically support settlements in the West Bank and the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza, are what progressives think will bring a just peace and happiness for the Palestinian people. And to this end progressives are willing to send women's rights into the dark ages, destroy the environment, and ensure millions of Americans become ensnared in poverty.
This is the progressive solution. And what all the student protestors are hoping will happen.
Correct?
If you think Biden is the only solution here, I have no words for you. There are lot of Dems who might handle things differently. Why are people so black and white in thinking? There are other solutions to the war than kill all Palestinians and roll over for terrorists. Lazy, lazy thinking.
You're right about Kamala. Biden effed her over when he put her on border policy. It was the dumbest move ever.
Again, 100% the fault of Biden and co.
If you don't understand that the choice in November is Biden or Trump, then I have no words for you.
If that inane response is all you have to what I expressed then we’re done here.
DP. They what is your solution that doesn’t involve a victory for Trump? Because that’s a non-starter.
NP. Be honest about how bad Biden is or expect many of to dismiss you as an unserious fool.
We have racism, genocide, and run of the mill police state fascism with Biden. You have yet to acknowledge that.
We had all that and worse with Trump. You have to acknowledge that. [/quote
DP here. So define worse? So you don't think that there's anything that's going to go badly with Biden? I'm not swayed to either and certainly I agree Trump is a disaster but in this case, I am weighing worse case scenarios with both. I mean, just because one (Trump) is a nightmare does not mean the other (Biden) is less of a nightmare. They are both nightmares in different ways. The question then becomes - what kind of nightmare is worse and what kind would you actually rather?
For me personally, I actually think the future is where it's at. From that perspective, I'd rather go for 4 more years of Trump now and be guaranteed basically of a Dem for quite some time after. If Biden wins, we are going to go GOP for much longer. On some level, Biden can screw more things up legislatively. Trump is an idiot, he basically makes us look like idiots globally and he stirs the pot and gets a lot of bad people excited but I'm not sure that that's not already happening. I think looking at his 4 years in office, it was not as bad as Biden's current time in office. Seriously. Be really honest. None of the political policy of Biden did this and Biden did that - look at this country today. We have protests daily, we are in like 3 wars and nobody can say they are happy with inflation/housing marketing/healthcare, etc. Student debt relief does not help everyone nor does making rich people pay more in taxes.
I absolutely do not think Trump will be better and do anything to help anyone except himself BUT I also think that my low expectations of Trump doing anything good does not beat my low expectations of Biden/Kamala doing anything noteworthy to help me or the US in general. While I know Biden won't publicly humiliate us in front of the world like Trump, I also think that on some levels, Biden will make serious errors that will be more impactful than what Trump will do. And all his talk of doing this and that to the govt, Trump is not going to be able to do any of it. He's a big talker. Getting down to business, he really does not have the pull he thinks or YOU THINK he does. There's a lot of people in govt, a lot of checks and balances in govt. Please - ending anything and making anything small sized in govt takes forever!