What about Asian American folks? |
In other words you believe you know the truth and people who see things differently are wrong. Maybe you just don't mind arrogance because you are pretty arrogant yourself. And maybe that works in your field. It does not come across well in mine. |
I think there's a small degree of truth to what Silver is saying but I also don't feel he's being honest either. He's too bright to believe many of the claims listed. |
No, I believe that I cannot see the trends--I claim there is no discernible relationship between individual's willingness to learn/take feedback and school trends--and I don't trust that others can either. Because it's something that is very hard to see as an individual. I think of that as an appropriately humble stance. |
Agree. The pp sounds dumb |
In other words, you have an opinion on this (that there is no trend), you think people who think there is a trend are wrong, yet you think you are being "appropriately humble"? I think I can see where the disconnect is between you and me. |
I just doubt that reflecting on the few people you encounter represents a trend no matter what--and I think that's a more humble position--recognizing the limits of what any person can know based on their limited experience and their biased brain. The null hypothesis so to speak would be that there is no difference between people no matter what school they go to--that people are people and they vary in arrogance based on a wide range of factors. You're the one asserting a hypothesis that the type of school you go to makes a difference and you haven't provided much evidence to support that. |
And, unfortunately, we are getting a taste of what a major hater you are. Get some help. |
+1 I never realized the level of hatred towards Ivy grads until I read this forum. No wonder they refuse or evade telling people where they went to school. |
Wow. You sound just like the Harvard intern I supervised. He tried to make arguments using what he learned in his HKS stats class, but couldn't see the forest through the trees. Where I work this type of BS won't get you far, but I get that in some places sounding smart, even if it makes no sense, is a valuable skill. We each have different hypotheses based on our experiences. You are arguing that your experience is valid, and mine is not. That's not what humility is - I'm not sure if you actually don't know that, or that's what you've been taught to say to win an argument. But damn. Sounds like the Ivy grads I met and disliked would fit right in with you. |
Bravo on completely missing the point. DP |
How ironic. The haters are the aholes calling the police and Jewish people “pigs,” among other vile names. Pathetic that this even has to be explained to you. DP |
I attended Stanford for undergrad, and then a flagship state school ranked around #100 for a fully-funded master's degree. I was a TA for undergraduate courses at the state school. Huge difference. A few things stand out to me:
*The amount of work expected of undergraduates at Stanford was significantly more than the state school. I was used to reading at least half a book a week per class at Stanford (and typically an entire book). At the state school the typical reading load was 20-30 pages out of a textbook, and not a real scholarly book. The writing requirements were similarly low. Two 3-page papers, a midterm, and a final at the state school for an intro class. An intro course at Stanford was a 5-page paper, a 10-page paper, a midterm, and a final. I was used to writing papers in the 15-30 page range, which is more typical of graduate requirements at the state school. *Stanford encouraged "big" thinking--engaging with big ideas, taking risks. I felt like the state school had me in the weeds, writing about obscure things instead of working at a higher level. Part of that may be undergraduate vs. graduate study, but when I returned to the top-5 for law school, I found myself once again in the "big thinking" world. None of this is to say that you can't find state schools with rigorous requirements, but I think you really have to move up a lot in the rankings if that's what you're looking for. And this isn't a product of the caliber of the professors--most of the state school professors went to places like Stanford. It was the other students--a professor told me he used to assign more work, but the students just wouldn't do it and eventually he gave in. |
I attended a top 30 private and it was how you describe Stanford in terms of rigor and workload. My brother attended a top 50 state flagship, and while I can't speak to his academic experience since I wasn't there, he went on to get a doctoral degree at an Ivy and have a very successful career. I am happy with my career, but my brother is objectively more successful than I am. Guess whose undergrad education cost a lot less? |
And you sound like you're missing the point. What you seem willing to argue is that your individual experience with a few Ivy interns gives you insight into an important trend. I'm not arguing a thing about my experience I'm just saying what you have described doesn't sound like a rational basis for claiming a trend. |