Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone’s point of view depends on which news source you listen to. Cable media will have you believe the students are out of control antisemites while social media tells us these protesters are peaceful. So I asked my niece who attends one of these universities. She is not protesting and has no skin in the game. She told me that the protesters are by far peaceful students. She walked all over campus and did not hear one word of harassment to any Jews. In fact many Jews are protesting themselves. She did not stay around when police came and heard from friends that they were unfairly targeting students. So there you have it. I am going to believe my niece over anything I hear on TV. I urge you all to talk to people firsthand before believing anything you hear on TV or social media.

Mostly peaceful protests, yes. But what cause are the students espousing? They want Palestine to be free and for Israelis to ... what? Go somewhere else? That's not a peaceful desire.

No need for Israelis to go somewhere else. The main message of the protesters is for Israelis to stop killing tens thousands of innocent women, men and children in Gaza. Not too much to ask and not antisemitic in my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:So, this is a question for all pro Israeli posters. In the latest negotiations in Cairo, Hamas agreed to release all the hostages in exchange for an end to the war. However, Netanyahu refused this deal ( per Reuters, I haven’t seen this reported in U.S media).

I have seen hundreds of responses here saying that Hamas can end the killing of their people in one minute if they agree to release the hostages. But now we are finding out that it was never about the hostages, this is about Likud’s intentions for explanding Israel’s foot print and Netanyahu’s struggle to remain in power.

At this point if they don’t invade Rafah, Netanyahu is toast so here we are.

There can be no permanent peace deal unless it includes the immediate disarmament and dissolution of Hamas, and the removal of anybody associated with Hamas from governmental roles in Gaza and the West Bank. Hamas knows this, so they blackballed any negotiations by asking for a permanent peace deal without these stipulations. So Israel rejected the so-called “deal,” like any other country in their situation would have.

Your blind support for Israel is astounding.
Had negotiations gone another way you would be arguing how that is the right decision
Clearly nobody is lily white and spotless!

DP. So, just to be clear: you support Hamas terrorists being in power. I mean, we already knew that, but why don't you come out and say it.

Ugh, as every day passes, it just becomes more and more apparent that the perspectives of people supportive of Israel do not coexist peacefully with the perspectives of the rest of us.

The perspectives of people supportive of Israel do not coexist peacefully with the perspectives of the rest of America?

Do you realize just how inappropriate and outright disgusting that statement is when we have protesters associated with Hamas in our street in our street targeting and attacking Jewish and pro-Jewish residents, calling for genocide against Jews, at attacking Israel’s right to defend itself because of it’s Jewish faith.

It’s not Jewish people (or Israel supporters) who’s perspective does not coexist with the rest of America.

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Clearly the PP lives in an airtight echo chamber of likeminded LWNJs. The vast majority of Americans think the pro-Hamas crowd is poisonous.

Almost everyone, including many, many protesters, some of whom are JEWS, are anti-Hamas. The majority of Americans are anti-Hamas. However, some of us do not think Israel has the right to commit genocide in the name of wiping out Hamas.

And it is the RWNJs that have been antisemitic for DECADES. You just conveniently forget that fact as you ignore other facts.

Stop lying.

I saw a display decades ago in college with poetry praising Palestinian bombers. Leftwingers haterd Israel then too.

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The PP is the liar. Leftists despise Israel and always have.

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I’m glad the main graduation ceremonies have been canceled.

Highlights the difference between blue states and red states and their stances on cracking down on the mobs.

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Anonymous wrote:So Columbia has cancelled their large graduation ceremony. Such a sad, needless outcome.

I would be beyond furious if I was one of the students not involved in this disaster or if I was a tuition-paying parent, only to have my kid’s graduation cancelled. I hope the ahole protesters are proud of themselves.

Alexis Vanessa’s dad is not happy.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/05/entertainment/saturday-night-live-college-protests-kenan-thompson-cold-open

Ultimately, SNL parody aside, tuition paying parents just got royally screwed over. Imagine if your kid is the family’s first college grad.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m glad the main graduation ceremonies have been canceled.

Highlights the difference between blue states and red states and their stances on cracking down on the mobs.

Just more proof that in Western “democracies” universities are debt slave factories for the owner class. The owner class is very very angry .

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Anonymous wrote:So Columbia has cancelled their large graduation ceremony. Such a sad, needless outcome.

I would be beyond furious if I was one of the students not involved in this disaster or if I was a tuition-paying parent, only to have my kid’s graduation cancelled. I hope the ahole protesters are proud of themselves.

All of this nonsense is well funded by Democrat billionaires, mostly George Soros.

That’s faux news BS.

DP. No, hon. It’s not. Educate yourself.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-university-funding-donors-00156135

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/s-palestinian-protests-us-rcna143666

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Anonymous wrote:if the protestors demand is for their colleges to divest from investments that support Israel, why don't they divest themselves by withdrawing from their university and taking their tuition dollars to a different university that invests to their liking?

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Best comment on the issue right here, folks.

No, it’s a stupid comment. “Love it or leave it” is deplorable. Students have every right to protest the university investment strategy.

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While simultaneously benefitting from that strategy to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars in direct aid and scholarships, plus benefitting indirectly from facilities, activities, staff, support, etc.?

Certainly agree that they have every right to protest, but seems a bit hypocritical. Kinda like an environmental activist driving a gas-guzzling SUV.

Shouldn't these activists vote with their feet?

The idea that one can’t or shouldn’t push for systemic change unless one’s personal life meets some purity test established by supporters of the system is a pernicious and dumb idea.

Not the point I made.

Again, I support their right to protest (though I disagree with some of the aims and methods).

My argument: fine to criticize the system, but if the system is so wildly unjust, then one should ALSO refrain from directly benefitting from said horribly unjust system. Right?

I'm not suggesting a "purity test"; I'm suggesting these kids put their money where their mouth is.

That’s a ridiculous illogical leap. Paying tuition is not an endorsement of every action or investment of the university. As an undergrad I participated in protests for my university to divest from investments in apartheid South Africa. We were the ones supporting the stated mission and ideals of the university.

So, let’s say, you disagree with some aspects of Mormonism, would you still attend BYU, for example. You love their pre-med program, but not all of the basic tenets of Mormonism.

Would you enroll then start a protest in the student union screaming to shut it down because Joseph Smith was a polygamist and you’re revolted by that little historical tidbit and you want the board to declare he was an awful man. Oh and let’s say you also don’t like how they send missionaries all over the world to convert people as you think it’s so disrespectful of other cultures.

Wouldn’t it be easiest to just attend another school?

Lots of different flavors of college out there.

Columbia is not BYU or Liberty or Bob Jones or any other blatantly sectarian institution. You are being ridiculous.

DP. It was a very apt analogy that seems to have - unsurprisingly - gone straight over your head.

Are you really saying that Columbia's support of Israel in its investement strategy is anything like BYU's relationship with the Mormon Church? Seriously?

If Columbia divested from companies that had ties to Israel (or India or South Africa or Belgium or whatever), they would still be Columbia. If BYU divested from the Mormon Church, that would completely change its nature. At that point, you have a right to say to the protesters, "you are asking us to completely change who we are - maybe you aren't a good fit here".

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Anonymous wrote:Many? Do you remember 2003 at all? This is like occupy wall street or something.

No this is serious, young people are questioning why our tax money is funding a genocidal government?

Uh, college endowments are not tax money.

NP Ok, you are actually right. Young people are questioning why our tax money and their college endowments are funding genocide.

Why is Harvard, with it’s billions of dollars in endowments, taking tax money at all?

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Anonymous wrote:So Columbia has cancelled their large graduation ceremony. Such a sad, needless outcome.

I would be beyond furious if I was one of the students not involved in this disaster or if I was a tuition-paying parent, only to have my kid’s graduation cancelled. I hope the ahole protesters are proud of themselves.

Alexis Vanessa’s dad is not happy.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/05/entertainment/saturday-night-live-college-protests-kenan-thompson-cold-open

Ultimately, SNL parody aside, tuition paying parents just got royally screwed over. Imagine if your kid is the family’s first college grad.

+1 LOL! Have always loved Kenan!!

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Anonymous wrote:if the protestors demand is for their colleges to divest from investments that support Israel, why don't they divest themselves by withdrawing from their university and taking their tuition dollars to a different university that invests to their liking?

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Best comment on the issue right here, folks.

No, it’s a stupid comment. “Love it or leave it” is deplorable. Students have every right to protest the university investment strategy.

DP.

While simultaneously benefitting from that strategy to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars in direct aid and scholarships, plus benefitting indirectly from facilities, activities, staff, support, etc.?

Certainly agree that they have every right to protest, but seems a bit hypocritical. Kinda like an environmental activist driving a gas-guzzling SUV.

Shouldn't these activists vote with their feet?

The idea that one can’t or shouldn’t push for systemic change unless one’s personal life meets some purity test established by supporters of the system is a pernicious and dumb idea.

Not the point I made.

Again, I support their right to protest (though I disagree with some of the aims and methods).

My argument: fine to criticize the system, but if the system is so wildly unjust, then one should ALSO refrain from directly benefitting from said horribly unjust system. Right?

I'm not suggesting a "purity test"; I'm suggesting these kids put their money where their mouth is.

So if I protest the US govt, I should leave the US and not benefit any more from being a citizen?

A more apt comparison: you shouldn't take benefits from the government related to programs you find objectionable/immoral.

It's the equivalent of an anti-welfare RWNJ applying for and accepting welfare benefits.

Or to look at it from a consumer perspective, it's like protesting Chick-Fil-A's stance on gay rights, then walking in and buying a value meal.

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Anonymous wrote:if the protestors demand is for their colleges to divest from investments that support Israel, why don't they divest themselves by withdrawing from their university and taking their tuition dollars to a different university that invests to their liking?

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Best comment on the issue right here, folks.

No, it’s a stupid comment. “Love it or leave it” is deplorable. Students have every right to protest the university investment strategy.

DP.

While simultaneously benefitting from that strategy to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars in direct aid and scholarships, plus benefitting indirectly from facilities, activities, staff, support, etc.?

Certainly agree that they have every right to protest, but seems a bit hypocritical. Kinda like an environmental activist driving a gas-guzzling SUV.

Shouldn't these activists vote with their feet?

The idea that one can’t or shouldn’t push for systemic change unless one’s personal life meets some purity test established by supporters of the system is a pernicious and dumb idea.

Not the point I made.

Again, I support their right to protest (though I disagree with some of the aims and methods).

My argument: fine to criticize the system, but if the system is so wildly unjust, then one should ALSO refrain from directly benefitting from said horribly unjust system. Right?

I'm not suggesting a "purity test"; I'm suggesting these kids put their money where their mouth is.

So if I protest the US govt, I should leave the US and not benefit any more from being a citizen?

A more apt comparison: you shouldn't take benefits from the government related to programs you find objectionable/immoral.

It's the equivalent of an anti-welfare RWNJ applying for and accepting welfare benefits.

Or to look at it from a consumer perspective, it's like protesting Chick-Fil-A's stance on gay rights, then walking in and buying a value meal.

+1 very hypocritical

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Anonymous wrote:if the protestors demand is for their colleges to divest from investments that support Israel, why don't they divest themselves by withdrawing from their university and taking their tuition dollars to a different university that invests to their liking?

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Best comment on the issue right here, folks.

No, it’s a stupid comment. “Love it or leave it” is deplorable. Students have every right to protest the university investment strategy.

DP.

While simultaneously benefitting from that strategy to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars in direct aid and scholarships, plus benefitting indirectly from facilities, activities, staff, support, etc.?

Certainly agree that they have every right to protest, but seems a bit hypocritical. Kinda like an environmental activist driving a gas-guzzling SUV.

Shouldn't these activists vote with their feet?

The idea that one can’t or shouldn’t push for systemic change unless one’s personal life meets some purity test established by supporters of the system is a pernicious and dumb idea.

Not the point I made.

Again, I support their right to protest (though I disagree with some of the aims and methods).

My argument: fine to criticize the system, but if the system is so wildly unjust, then one should ALSO refrain from directly benefitting from said horribly unjust system. Right?

I'm not suggesting a "purity test"; I'm suggesting these kids put their money where their mouth is.

That’s a ridiculous illogical leap. Paying tuition is not an endorsement of every action or investment of the university. As an undergrad I participated in protests for my university to divest from investments in apartheid South Africa. We were the ones supporting the stated mission and ideals of the university.

So, let’s say, you disagree with some aspects of Mormonism, would you still attend BYU, for example. You love their pre-med program, but not all of the basic tenets of Mormonism.

Would you enroll then start a protest in the student union screaming to shut it down because Joseph Smith was a polygamist and you’re revolted by that little historical tidbit and you want the board to declare he was an awful man. Oh and let’s say you also don’t like how they send missionaries all over the world to convert people as you think it’s so disrespectful of other cultures.

Wouldn’t it be easiest to just attend another school?

Lots of different flavors of college out there.

Columbia is not BYU or Liberty or Bob Jones or any other blatantly sectarian institution. You are being ridiculous.

DP. It was a very apt analogy that seems to have - unsurprisingly - gone straight over your head.

Are you really saying that Columbia's support of Israel in its investement strategy is anything like BYU's relationship with the Mormon Church? Seriously?

If Columbia divested from companies that had ties to Israel (or India or South Africa or Belgium or whatever), they would still be Columbia. If BYU divested from the Mormon Church, that would completely change its nature. At that point, you have a right to say to the protesters, "you are asking us to completely change who we are - maybe you aren't a good fit here".

this was about Hillel International, a student group.

but also no, I do not think it squares with our civil rights laws or academic freedome to “boycott” an entire nation.

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Anonymous wrote:Hate crime by outside agitators.

“Hate crime”?? How utterly ridiculous. Meanwhile, these masked fools are shouting for jihad and “from the river to the sea.” So they can dish out the hate, but then cry foul when it’s handed back to them on a silver platter. Boo hoo, what complete nonsense. Also, her sunglasses are beyond ridiculous.

Come on. She was followed, cornered, harassed and had clearly Islamophobic taunts thrown at her. It's wrong.

Shouldn't happen to anybody in this country, Jewish, Muslim, whoever.

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Anonymous wrote:if the protestors demand is for their colleges to divest from investments that support Israel, why don't they divest themselves by withdrawing from their university and taking their tuition dollars to a different university that invests to their liking?

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Best comment on the issue right here, folks.

No, it’s a stupid comment. “Love it or leave it” is deplorable. Students have every right to protest the university investment strategy.

DP.

While simultaneously benefitting from that strategy to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars in direct aid and scholarships, plus benefitting indirectly from facilities, activities, staff, support, etc.?

Certainly agree that they have every right to protest, but seems a bit hypocritical. Kinda like an environmental activist driving a gas-guzzling SUV.

Shouldn't these activists vote with their feet?

The idea that one can’t or shouldn’t push for systemic change unless one’s personal life meets some purity test established by supporters of the system is a pernicious and dumb idea.

Not the point I made.

Again, I support their right to protest (though I disagree with some of the aims and methods).

My argument: fine to criticize the system, but if the system is so wildly unjust, then one should ALSO refrain from directly benefitting from said horribly unjust system. Right?

I'm not suggesting a "purity test"; I'm suggesting these kids put their money where their mouth is.

That’s a ridiculous illogical leap. Paying tuition is not an endorsement of every action or investment of the university. As an undergrad I participated in protests for my university to divest from investments in apartheid South Africa. We were the ones supporting the stated mission and ideals of the university.

So, let’s say, you disagree with some aspects of Mormonism, would you still attend BYU, for example. You love their pre-med program, but not all of the basic tenets of Mormonism.

Would you enroll then start a protest in the student union screaming to shut it down because Joseph Smith was a polygamist and you’re revolted by that little historical tidbit and you want the board to declare he was an awful man. Oh and let’s say you also don’t like how they send missionaries all over the world to convert people as you think it’s so disrespectful of other cultures.

Wouldn’t it be easiest to just attend another school?

Lots of different flavors of college out there.

Columbia is not BYU or Liberty or Bob Jones or any other blatantly sectarian institution. You are being ridiculous.

DP. It was a very apt analogy that seems to have - unsurprisingly - gone straight over your head.

Are you really saying that Columbia's support of Israel in its investement strategy is anything like BYU's relationship with the Mormon Church? Seriously?

If Columbia divested from companies that had ties to Israel (or India or South Africa or Belgium or whatever), they would still be Columbia. If BYU divested from the Mormon Church, that would completely change its nature. At that point, you have a right to say to the protesters, "you are asking us to completely change who we are - maybe you aren't a good fit here".

If something intrinsically bothers you, if it doesn’t align with your personal beliefs, then the right thing to do is to get away from it. Do not be affiliated with it. A private school is not a government. The protestors are not endangered human rights activists from North Korea or Cambodia or Cuba. They (some) have student IDs. They are paying customers who can walk away. Give your school a bad review on Google. One star for Columbia, “they support Israel and I hate that, taking my money elsewhere.” But there are still thousands of people who would give it at least four or five stars and would send their kids there and they deserve a bleepin’ graduation ceremony.

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Anonymous wrote:if the protestors demand is for their colleges to divest from investments that support Israel, why don't they divest themselves by withdrawing from their university and taking their tuition dollars to a different university that invests to their liking?

+1000

Best comment on the issue right here, folks.

No, it’s a stupid comment. “Love it or leave it” is deplorable. Students have every right to protest the university investment strategy.

DP.

While simultaneously benefitting from that strategy to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars in direct aid and scholarships, plus benefitting indirectly from facilities, activities, staff, support, etc.?

Certainly agree that they have every right to protest, but seems a bit hypocritical. Kinda like an environmental activist driving a gas-guzzling SUV.

Shouldn't these activists vote with their feet?

The idea that one can’t or shouldn’t push for systemic change unless one’s personal life meets some purity test established by supporters of the system is a pernicious and dumb idea.

Not the point I made.

Again, I support their right to protest (though I disagree with some of the aims and methods).

My argument: fine to criticize the system, but if the system is so wildly unjust, then one should ALSO refrain from directly benefitting from said horribly unjust system. Right?

I'm not suggesting a "purity test"; I'm suggesting these kids put their money where their mouth is.

That’s a ridiculous illogical leap. Paying tuition is not an endorsement of every action or investment of the university. As an undergrad I participated in protests for my university to divest from investments in apartheid South Africa. We were the ones supporting the stated mission and ideals of the university.

So, let’s say, you disagree with some aspects of Mormonism, would you still attend BYU, for example. You love their pre-med program, but not all of the basic tenets of Mormonism.

Would you enroll then start a protest in the student union screaming to shut it down because Joseph Smith was a polygamist and you’re revolted by that little historical tidbit and you want the board to declare he was an awful man. Oh and let’s say you also don’t like how they send missionaries all over the world to convert people as you think it’s so disrespectful of other cultures.

Wouldn’t it be easiest to just attend another school?

Lots of different flavors of college out there.

Columbia is not BYU or Liberty or Bob Jones or any other blatantly sectarian institution. You are being ridiculous.

DP. It was a very apt analogy that seems to have - unsurprisingly - gone straight over your head.

Are you really saying that Columbia's support of Israel in its investement strategy is anything like BYU's relationship with the Mormon Church? Seriously?

If Columbia divested from companies that had ties to Israel (or India or South Africa or Belgium or whatever), they would still be Columbia. If BYU divested from the Mormon Church, that would completely change its nature. At that point, you have a right to say to the protesters, "you are asking us to completely change who we are - maybe you aren't a good fit here".

Columbia has a very large Jewish population.

https://www.hillel.org/college/columbia-university/

Perhaps divesting from Israel- and with that, alienating its Jewish students- would have a significant impact on the school.

I guess the protestors could head to a Christian college, but Jesus was a Jew.

Maybe the Moonies have a school?