Tell me about Islam

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Contrary to you, I have a husband, children, and a job. I am more than happy to answer every question, but after my responsibilities are taken care of. I will be back with a few great links later.

What makes you think she doesn't? This remark doesn't reflect well on you. Arrogance. Your cloak might as well drag behind you.

Worse, we're never going to see those answers.

Meh. They won't be "answers" in the sense that everybody else understands the word. Think partial answers, outright denials of what's actually in the Quran, a lot of flowery language, and a few personal insults thrown in for chuckles. Try to straighten any of this out and you will be accused of hating Islam. I can live without her answers.

Nope. The youtube links provide direct answers to the questions you asked. For your convenience I will regularly repost the links in a new thread too, to make them more accessible to you and others in the future too. You know how us proselytizing Muslims can be! Lol

[Anonymous]

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Contrary to you, I have a husband, children, and a job. I am more than happy to answer every question, but after my responsibilities are taken care of. I will be back with a few great links later.

Yes, please answer the following questions, which posters have been asking you for pages and pages.
(1) Does the Quran, or does the Quran not, require Muslims to kill those who leave the faith? You denied this, but two people have posted quotes from the Quran that suggest you're not being entirely truthful here.
(2) Does the Quran, or does the Quran not, permit Muslim soldiers to rape female captives?
(3) Does the Quran, or does the Quran not, require Muslims to try to convert non-Muslims? Again, you denied this categorically, but someone posted a quote from the Quran that suggests you're not being entirely truthful here.

There are several other things, but that's enough for now. After so many pages of obfuscation, it feels like, if you answer these questions, it will be a miracle.[/

PS. I'm off to talk to my husband and my younger child, my older child having gone off to college. I've finished my work for the day. But thanks for the unnecessary condescension!

Well here's your miracle, then. Your questions are not unusual. They are often the questions of either people who genuinely misunderstand Islam and want to learn more, or they are the questions of people who make it their mission to eradicate Islam by intentionally vilifying it regardless of what clarification they receive. Since with the previous link I posted of the scholar Hamza Yusuf, you accused me of shopping around to simply find a more palatable version of Islam, I'm posting this link of another scholar that is perhaps more to your liking. This is a link of a highly reputable Islamic scholar, Dr. Jamal Badawi of Halifax, Nova Scotia. It answers questions (1) and (3).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4D9aB21DwM

It would be wise for you to watch it in its entirety. Contact him directly if you need further clarification. He is very accessible.

They are not interested in an honest and educated discussion about Islam and what Muslims believe, that's why I recused myself from the discussion. Jummah Mubarak to you

You were sooooo right! I plan to post these regularly on new threads if only to dispel myths about Islam that these extremist evangelical groups try to spread. I was never into this kind of stuff before but I plan to write a few articles and see if I can get them published in non Muslim magazines. This thread helped me to recognize that Muslims need to do more work to disseminate the truth about their religion.
Jummuah mubarak to you too!! Great " meeting" you!

[Anonymous]

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The point is, you simply made up that claim about Muslims on every block/house, or you took it from some Muslim source that made the claim up out of thin air. That's why some PP linked to the Pew article, which explicitly debunks your claim, and that's one of numerous reasons your credibility is really low around here.

Contrary to you, I have a husband, children, and a job. I am more than happy to answer every question, but after my responsibilities are taken care of. I will be back with a few great links later.

I'm not holding my breath. Pew, an internationally-respected organization, has already done the work for you, and Pew concluded that reliable numbers simply don't exist.

Surprise: I too have a husband, children and a job. You really are a nasty piece of work. Do you just make up lies and insults for the heck of it?

Well hon you are either divorced or on your way to a divorce because nobody with a good hear spends this much time ignoring their family to attack another person's religion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Surprise: I too have a husband, children and a job. You really are a nasty piece of work. Do you just make up lies and insults for the heck of it?

Well hon you are either divorced or on your way to a divorce because nobody with a good hear spends this much time ignoring their family to attack another person's religion.

Words fail.

[Muslima]

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Contrary to you, I have a husband, children, and a job. I am more than happy to answer every question, but after my responsibilities are taken care of. I will be back with a few great links later.

Yes, please answer the following questions, which posters have been asking you for pages and pages.
(1) Does the Quran, or does the Quran not, require Muslims to kill those who leave the faith? You denied this, but two people have posted quotes from the Quran that suggest you're not being entirely truthful here.
(2) Does the Quran, or does the Quran not, permit Muslim soldiers to rape female captives?
(3) Does the Quran, or does the Quran not, require Muslims to try to convert non-Muslims? Again, you denied this categorically, but someone posted a quote from the Quran that suggests you're not being entirely truthful here.

There are several other things, but that's enough for now. After so many pages of obfuscation, it feels like, if you answer these questions, it will be a miracle.

PS. I'm off to talk to my husband and my younger child, my older child having gone off to college. I've finished my work for the day. But thanks for the unnecessary condescension!

Well here's your miracle, then. Your questions are not unusual. They are often the questions of either people who genuinely misunderstand Islam and want to learn more, or they are the questions of people who make it their mission to eradicate Islam by intentionally vilifying it regardless of what clarification they receive. Since with the previous link I posted of the scholar Hamza Yusuf, you accused me of shopping around to simply find a more palatable version of Islam, I'm posting this link of another scholar that is perhaps more to your liking. This is a link of a highly reputable Islamic scholar, Dr. Jamal Badawi of Halifax, Nova Scotia. It answers questions (1) and (3).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4D9aB21DwM

It would be wise for you to watch it in its entirety. Contact him directly if you need further clarification. He is very accessible.

They are not interested in an honest and educated discussion about Islam and what Muslims believe, that's why I recused myself from the discussion. Jummah Mubarak to you

You were sooooo right! I plan to post these regularly on new threads if only to dispel myths about Islam that these extremist evangelical groups try to spread. I was never into this kind of stuff before but I plan to write a few articles and see if I can get them published in non Muslim magazines. This thread helped me to recognize that Muslims need to do more work to disseminate the truth about their religion.
Jummuah mubarak to you too!! Great " meeting" you!

I think that would be a good thing. It was refreshing reading you as well! I used to blog and write a lot about Islam and it was well received for the most part. I think Islam is the most misunderstood religion in the world. Not just by non-Muslims, but by some Muslims as well. Mainly, non-Muslims information on Islam is based on ignorant and islamophobic sources. And many Muslims are born into this religion without anyone really explaining it to them. And unfortunately thre actions and behavior of both groups reflect their lack of understanding. And finally you have people who twist the verses of the Qur'an in order to spread their hate. The end result is a lot of confused people and a lot of confusion about what Islam really teaches. In the end though, speak your heart. Many people won't understand. But that's okay. Your message wasn't meant for them. It will reach those whom it was.

[Anonymous]

I'm sorry, but I find Muslima's responses very unsatisfactory and un-serious. Her responses, to the extent they aren't completely contentless and flowery, and to the extent they don't contain hateful diatribes against questioners, seemed to be cut-and-pastes from Yusuf.

So I feel like I've already had a master class in Yusuf's thinking. This thinking, about "why Islam's rules restricting women's rights are good for you," does not work for me. Yes, I clicked on one of them, and couldn't last long. This does NOT make me a hater of Islam, and it doesn't mean I'm on the fast road to divorce. It simply means that I don't find the so-called explanations in any way convincing or compelling.

To the other Muslim poster: you, too have promised to provide responses. You have not done so. You insist that you are not Muslima (although the two of you have very similar rhetorical styles and very similar tastes in Imams). Therefore, I hope you will compensate for Muslima's lack of seriousness, you will drop your own hateful jibes about divorce, and you will actually follow through on your promise to provide thoughtful responses.

To anybody reading this: the advice to talk to Muslim imams is ridiculous. You will get the same sanitized, carefully editted version of Islam that Muslima and her alter ego have been giving us for the past 18 pages. Muslima and her alter ego are engaged in dawwah, the Muslim obligation to convert strangers. They understand that nobody gets converted with a straight-up explanation of Islam's rules about women's rights and such.

Do your own research.
-- Read the Quran: you're eyes will be opened wide. You will read the actual passages that Muslima and her alter ego claim don't exist.
-- Search out non-Muslim explanations for things like the treatment of women, prisoners of war and people who leave Islam.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Contrary to you, I have a husband, children, and a job. I am more than happy to answer every question, but after my responsibilities are taken care of. I will be back with a few great links later.

I'm not holding my breath. Pew, an internationally-respected organization, has already done the work for you, and Pew concluded that reliable numbers simply don't exist.

Surprise: I too have a husband, children and a job. You really are a nasty piece of work. Do you just make up lies and insults for the heck of it?

Well hon you are either divorced or on your way to a divorce because nobody with a good hear spends this much time ignoring their family to attack another person's religion.

Unbelievable! All I did was ask you to provide actual numbers for your claims about converts. (We're still waiting for these.)

I assume the nonsense about me being headed for divorce is because I haven't accepted Islam. I haven't accepted the Muslim woman's role vis-a-vis her husband, therefore my husband is supposedly going to divorce me. Got it. FWIW, I think my husband will roll on the floor laughing when I show him this.

Interestingly, the charge about divorce for spending time on DCUM would definitely apply to you two (Muslima and her alter ego), as both of you have spent much more time on DCUM than ANYBODY else here.

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Contrary to you, I have a husband, children, and a job. I am more than happy to answer every question, but after my responsibilities are taken care of. I will be back with a few great links later.

Yes, please answer the following questions, which posters have been asking you for pages and pages.
(1) Does the Quran, or does the Quran not, require Muslims to kill those who leave the faith? You denied this, but two people have posted quotes from the Quran that suggest you're not being entirely truthful here.
(2) Does the Quran, or does the Quran not, permit Muslim soldiers to rape female captives?
(3) Does the Quran, or does the Quran not, require Muslims to try to convert non-Muslims? Again, you denied this categorically, but someone posted a quote from the Quran that suggests you're not being entirely truthful here.

There are several other things, but that's enough for now. After so many pages of obfuscation, it feels like, if you answer these questions, it will be a miracle.

PS. I'm off to talk to my husband and my younger child, my older child having gone off to college. I've finished my work for the day. But thanks for the unnecessary condescension!

Well here's your miracle, then. Your questions are not unusual. They are often the questions of either people who genuinely misunderstand Islam and want to learn more, or they are the questions of people who make it their mission to eradicate Islam by intentionally vilifying it regardless of what clarification they receive. Since with the previous link I posted of the scholar Hamza Yusuf, you accused me of shopping around to simply find a more palatable version of Islam, I'm posting this link of another scholar that is perhaps more to your liking. This is a link of a highly reputable Islamic scholar, Dr. Jamal Badawi of Halifax, Nova Scotia. It answers questions (1) and (3).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4D9aB21DwM

It would be wise for you to watch it in its entirety. Contact him directly if you need further clarification. He is very accessible.

They are not interested in an honest and educated discussion about Islam and what Muslims believe, that's why I recused myself from the discussion. Jummah Mubarak to you

You were sooooo right! I plan to post these regularly on new threads if only to dispel myths about Islam that these extremist evangelical groups try to spread. I was never into this kind of stuff before but I plan to write a few articles and see if I can get them published in non Muslim magazines. This thread helped me to recognize that Muslims need to do more work to disseminate the truth about their religion.
Jummuah mubarak to you too!! Great " meeting" you!

I think that would be a good thing. It was refreshing reading you as well! I used to blog and write a lot about Islam and it was well received for the most part. I think Islam is the most misunderstood religion in the world. Not just by non-Muslims, but by some Muslims as well. Mainly, non-Muslims information on Islam is based on ignorant and islamophobic sources. And many Muslims are born into this religion without anyone really explaining it to them. And unfortunately thre actions and behavior of both groups reflect their lack of understanding. And finally you have people who twist the verses of the Qur'an in order to spread their hate. The end result is a lot of confused people and a lot of confusion about what Islam really teaches. In the end though, speak your heart. Many people won't understand. But that's okay. Your message wasn't meant for them. It will reach those whom it was.

Well said. Truth. I was bewildered when they accused you of proselytizing. And then suspicious of their intent when they categorically rejected every rationale, and then when they did not watch any of the youtube links provided, it confirmed to me they were never interested in learning. They only wanted to vilify a religion that is beloved to billions. The only reason I can see for this level of hostility is fear, fear that Islam is spreading too fast and too close to their home. I think its a blessing its spreading so fast in the US because it increases the pressure that will be put on those continuing to follow a more culturally influenced and intolerant Islam ( in other countries).

This thread has helped me to recognize I can work to dispel myths in many ways. One way is blogging, of course. Another way is to publish articles in non Muslim magazines. Another way is to work for CAIR or Karamah. You writing is terrific, you should consider publishing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You were sooooo right! I plan to post these regularly on new threads if only to dispel myths about Islam that these extremist evangelical groups try to spread. I was never into this kind of stuff before but I plan to write a few articles and see if I can get them published in non Muslim magazines. This thread helped me to recognize that Muslims need to do more work to disseminate the truth about their religion.
Jummuah mubarak to you too!! Great " meeting" you!

Trust me, there are several of us who are now looking out for your future posts, and we are ready to address your every distortion and ommission. See you soon!

Dismissing everybody who questions Islam as "extremist evangelicals" is cheap, and it's also flat-out wrong. I'm one of the PPs who has raised a lot of questions, and I'm certainly not an extremist evangelical (you also called me Catholic before, and that's not true, either). The other PP who is married to a Muslim seems to have no religion, but I hope she will correct me if I'm wrong on that. The only possible evangelical around here is the Jesus poster, but even that poster's religion is far from clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Contrary to you, I have a husband, children, and a job. I am more than happy to answer every question, but after my responsibilities are taken care of. I will be back with a few great links later.

I'm not holding my breath. Pew, an internationally-respected organization, has already done the work for you, and Pew concluded that reliable numbers simply don't exist.

Surprise: I too have a husband, children and a job. You really are a nasty piece of work. Do you just make up lies and insults for the heck of it?

Well hon you are either divorced or on your way to a divorce because nobody with a good hear spends this much time ignoring their family to attack another person's religion.

Unbelievable! All I did was ask you to provide actual numbers for your claims about converts. (We're still waiting for these.)

I assume the nonsense about me being headed for divorce is because I haven't accepted Islam. I haven't accepted the Muslim woman's role vis-a-vis her husband, therefore my husband is supposedly going to divorce me. Got it. FWIW, I think my husband will roll on the floor laughing when I show him this.

Interestingly, the charge about divorce for spending time on DCUM would definitely apply to you two (Muslima and her alter ego), as both of you have spent much more time on DCUM than ANYBODY else here.

No, not because you do not accept Islam, because why on earth would I want someone as hostile as you representing my religion? It is because you clearly ignored your family for hrs and hrs. I write when my family sleeps or kids are at school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You were sooooo right! I plan to post these regularly on new threads if only to dispel myths about Islam that these extremist evangelical groups try to spread. I was never into this kind of stuff before but I plan to write a few articles and see if I can get them published in non Muslim magazines. This thread helped me to recognize that Muslims need to do more work to disseminate the truth about their religion.
Jummuah mubarak to you too!! Great " meeting" you!

Trust me, there are several of us who are now looking out for your future posts, and we are ready to address your every distortion and ommission. See you soon!

Dismissing everybody who questions Islam as "extremist evangelicals" is cheap, and it's also flat-out wrong. I'm one of the PPs who has raised a lot of questions, and I'm certainly not an extremist evangelical (you also called me Catholic before, and that's not true, either). The other PP who is married to a Muslim seems to have no religion, but I hope she will correct me if I'm wrong on that. The only possible evangelical around here is the Jesus poster, but even that poster's religion is far from clear.

Well start looking today then because I will start a new thread with all these and other great youtube links, which I think would be quite informative...hmmm, wonder if the Pentagon is monitoring you already. Lol

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No, not because you do not accept Islam, because why on earth would I want someone as hostile as you representing my religion? It is because you clearly ignored your family for hrs and hrs. I write when my family sleeps or kids are at school.

This is as good as a farce, LOL! Do you think my kid doesn't go to school either, or that he doesn't do his extensive high school homework? He also has an internship. My older kid is at college. Also, it's obvious that you post after schools let out, so there's that....

Once again, with feeling:
Asking you questions =/= hostility toward Islam
Getting frustrated when you don't answer those questions =/= hostility toward Islam

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well start looking today then because I will start a new thread with all these and other great youtube links, which I think would be quite informative...hmmm, wonder if the Pentagon is monitoring you already. Lol

Fantastic! The rest of us will start posting some secular sources on Islam. Be assured that I personally have no interest in posting links to Islamaphobe sources. However, there are plenty of thoughtful guides on Islam that will help readers interpret the whitewash that you're planning on putting up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you tell just her to go home? You are a RACIST. How do you know she wasn't born here in the US? Muslima has never, NOT ONCE, expressed any encouragement to commit violence. What in the hell is your problem to blatantly lie like this? How in the hell do you sleep at night disparaging someone falsely like this? Jeff needs to be told about your racism.

That wasn't me, but... you think it's OK to tell posters who disagree with you that they're headed for divorce? What a hypocrite. And maybe that PP was talking about spiritial homes (Wahabism) not physical homes.

[Anonymous]

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No, not because you do not accept Islam, because why on earth would I want someone as hostile as you representing my religion? It is because you clearly ignored your family for hrs and hrs. I write when my family sleeps or kids are at school.

This is as good as a farce, LOL! Do you think my kid doesn't go to school either, or that he doesn't do his extensive high school homework? He also has an internship. My older kid is at college. Also, it's obvious that you post after schools let out, so there's that....

Once again, with feeling:
Asking you questions =/= hostility toward Islam
Getting frustrated when you don't answer those questions =/= hostility toward Islam

Did you think I would bring this point up if I was guilty of the same? I write in kiss n ride, hon, but never when my kids are awake and around. Sorry, you're busted. Did the family get take out last night?