You're a dishonest liar at best at this point, since we're at the name calling stage. Sounds about right at this point which is why Disney was forced to act. |
I'll just add that I'm sceptical that Disney only offers DAS to convince parents of neurodiverse kids that Disney is still an appropriate vacation for their kid (despite crowds and lines and everything else) so those families don't go spend their money elsewhere. It's really just a marketing tool. |
That is a cynical take. If it's true that these kids can only handle a few hours and 3 rides then it's all upside for Disney. People pay for a full day ticket, use the resorts, but don't stay in the parks long. As for everyone else, they can just buy G+ if they want shorter wait times. |
I'm mean, shouldn't we be cynical? Disney has done everything it can in recent years to capture more and more money. Just consider their removal of free FP and shift to Genie+. |
Why shouldn’t they? They’re a business. A Disney vacation is not a basic human right. |
Of course they have noticed that 60% of LL users are there with DAS. Most of them should be using G+ and now they will have to. |
I keep looking for that number and don't see that the 60% applies to all LL usage. Are people continually referring to Len Testa's post, where he observes rides for a day or two and then extrapolates? His post only mentioned high usage on two rides, not on every ride in the park. Am I missing something? |
Disney isn't likely to publish the exact findings. Why don't you tell us why you think DAS was updated and rules changed? There seems to be some denial in here that change is happening and no attempt to provide any explanation for the proposed changes happening 5/20. If they system wasn't broken, why the fix? |
You just demonstrated that the label fits you, congrats! |
Hi ableist! Kids (and adults) with special needs can love all things Disney, also! It's not just for NT people. |
Please let me know where I said something to the contrary. Oh wait. I didn't. Stop putting words in my mouth. |
I'm interested in this topic because I will be at WDW a few days after this May 20 change. And I'm wondering what impact there will be so soon after. I'm not sure I understand what's happening. Will it only affect people trying to register for DAS after that date? Presumably other visitors will have already applied using the only rules. Will this lead to a massive increase in demand for Genie+ and will it be harder to purchase the day of and will it be even harder to book any LL? If it's going to be hard to access and use not sure if it's worth it to buy in advance. |
You're still not grasping that this isn't up for debate, Disney is already moving forward. |
That's my question too. Disney is deciding that the system is broken from their perspective, which they can do as long as the parks are ADA-compliant. The current DAS program goes well beyond what is required under the ADA, and people with a wide range of disabilities appreciated that Disney granted them accommodations and have come to expect to be approved for DAS. As a business decision, Disney is scaling back the circumstances under which DAS can be granted, and it will have an impact on those who were outright cheating the system, those who exaggerated their actual conditions, and those who legitimately struggle to access the parks due to a disability. Again, it's a business decision for Disney as long the are not in violation of the ADA. The ADA requires a reasonable accommodation, and regardless of the actual number of DAS holders using LLs, the current system arguably provides a better experience for disabled guests than is available for non-disabled guests, which suggests that the current system may not be reasonable for Disney, whether that is because it creates longer LL lines, standby lines, or hurts their bottom line because fewer people purchase Genie +. As others have noted, those who are faking conditions or exaggerating to get DAS are the most likely to be heavy users of the LL because they are more likely to spend full days at the parks and be able to cover the most ground. Realistically, many, if not most people who were approved for DAS with actual disabilities that interfere with their ability to stand in long lines aren't the ones who are there from rope drop to close, cris-crossing the park repeatedly to ride as many rides as possible. The hostility exhibited toward those who have used DAS in the past or who plan to in the future seems based on an understanding that everyone asking for DAS is doing it to gain an advantage over non-DAS users without any regard to the challenges their disabilities pose. But back to your question, from a guest perspective, the anti-DAS people are also assuming that reducing the number of people being granted DAS and reducing the size of their parties will have a positive impact on their experience. The changes should reduce the number of DAS guests in the LLs, with fewer being granted DAS and their party size more limited. However, if Disney's intention or the result of the change is to force more people purchase Genie +, the changes could actually make Genie + an even worse value, with more guests trying to select rides and few popular attractions available at desirable times. I guess part of the answer depends on the extent to which Disney plans for DAS users in LLs by limiting the capacity for Genie + purchasers. IF half the people who formerly used DAS now buy Genie + and another chunk of the population are now in the standby lines (perhaps those who exaggerated conditions and are able to wait in long lines), how is that going to improve the guest experience for everyone else? |
My thought is nothing will change in the LL. Same amount of people, just more people paid for it vs getting the free DAS, which benefits Disney. But it could be that the standby wait times improve because using the Genie+ system more evenly distributes the guests, and less of a bottle neck where the lines meet so everyone moves along faster. |