Burroughs v. Bruce Monroe

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

Thanks for this tip!

Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Yes, but BMPV's rate is higher and also reflective of all the IB families that don't choose dual language.

26% is very, very low.

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

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Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Keep in mind that there are a TON of charters in the Brookland area, which may a big reason a lot of inbound Burroughs families send their kids elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

Thanks for this tip!

Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Keep in mind that there are a TON of charters in the Brookland area, which may a big reason a lot of inbound Burroughs families send their kids elsewhere.

+1. And Bruce Monroe is bilingual, so has a separate lottery for Spanish dominant kids through first.

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If you're trying to get a sense of the Burroughs community, bring your kids by the playground around 5 or 6 on a nice weekday evening.

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

Thanks for this tip!

Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Keep in mind that there are a TON of charters in the Brookland area, which may a big reason a lot of inbound Burroughs families send their kids elsewhere.

Burroughs parent here. My impression from neighbors that send their kids elsewhere is that it’s more about prioritizing a neighborhood or close by language immersion option (Stokes, Yu Ying, DCB, MV) than a referendum on Burroughs. FWIW, the principal at Burroughs is DC Principal of the Year.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think either one is better or worse. If Burroughs would inconvenience you, stay put. I've seen far too many people move their kid around without real improvement.

+1. We've been at BMPV for 5 years with multiple kids, and while no school is perfect, we've found BMPV to be good at the things that matter to us. If there's something specific that you think Burroughs would be significantly better on, and the comparative downsides of Burroughs are worth it (I don't know what those are, but all schools have strengths and weaknesses), then better to switch now while your child is still in pre-K. I guess it comes down to what you're not loving about BMPV. It may be something about the school itself, it may be something about your particular experience this year that may work itself out next year, or it may be something that is just a thing about DCPS/elementary school.

Two things to consider. I'm assuming your IB if you got a pre-K spot at BMPV? The older your child gets, the bigger the benefit to being in a neighborhood school will be. Walkability, less rushed mornings, more friends in the immediate neighborhood, etc. Spanish immersion aside, I'd err on the side of staying in my neighborhood school vs. going to a different neighborhood school unless I had a compelling reason to move. Secondly, I'd only switch if you could see staying in Burroughs long term. If you see yourself continuing to play the lottery for another upgrade, then consider the impact to your child of multiple school moves.

We got into BMPV through the lottery. Burroughs is closer to us. We found the ipad usage in pre-K (saw that on our tour) at our inbound to be a no-go for us, which is why we ended up at BMPV. It seemed like a great school, but we are not thrilled about some aspects. I don't want to disparage the school, I am sure it is an absolutely wonderful fit for many families. Our main issue is the aftercare option at the school building--our kid just hated it. We ended up pulling our kid from aftercare at a significant cost. We are also not thrilled with the communication from BMPV. We've tried to raise this with the school, the teacher, and just are always playing a game of wondering what is happening in school/the class. The teacher is great, very responsive over text, but certain issues I have raised never get addressed. For example, he shouldn't be napping, but I have no support from the teacher on making that happen. The difference in his bedtime between weekends (no naps) and weekdays (almost 1.5 hour nap) is the difference in my sanity. Also, I keep hearing about the great community at BMPV but we feel disconnected from the school community--probably because we are not in the neighborhood?

So, long boring story short, I think our kid would continue to be happy at BMPV, but us parents might just do better in a closer school.

You need to manage your expectations in DCPS. We were at BMPV through 5th and it was an amazing school but we siethched to a much higher percent school for the middle school feed. Both have communication issues.

Also, nap time is mandatory in PK 3 and 4. Your kid doesn’t have to sleep but they should be on their cot resting. If your kid is falling asleep it’s because he is tired! Let him nap. A teacher should not be required to wake your kid up every time they fall asleep during nap time.

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

Thanks for this tip!

Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Yes, but BMPV's rate is higher and also reflective of all the IB families that don't choose dual language.

26% is very, very low.

BMPV also sets aside 50% of PK 3 seats for native Spanish speakers even if they are OOB. IB would be higher and I know many IB families waitlisted who couldn’t get in because they were not native speakers

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

Thanks for this tip!

Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Yes, but BMPV's rate is higher and also reflective of all the IB families that don't choose dual language.

26% is very, very low.

BMPV also sets aside 50% of PK 3 seats for native Spanish speakers even if they are OOB. IB would be higher and I know many IB families waitlisted who couldn’t get in because they were not native speakers

They can attend starting in K but they choose not to attend. The 26% does not take into account kids in private school. So this % is actually lower than 26%. There are other bilingual schools with the same requirements and higher IB participation rate.

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

Thanks for this tip!

Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Yes, but BMPV's rate is higher and also reflective of all the IB families that don't choose dual language.

26% is very, very low.

BMPV also sets aside 50% of PK 3 seats for native Spanish speakers even if they are OOB. IB would be higher and I know many IB families waitlisted who couldn’t get in because they were not native speakers

They can attend starting in K but they choose not to attend. The 26% does not take into account kids in private school. So this % is actually lower than 26%. There are other bilingual schools with the same requirements and higher IB participation rate.

Ones that feed into JR?

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

Thanks for this tip!

Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Yes, but BMPV's rate is higher and also reflective of all the IB families that don't choose dual language.

26% is very, very low.

BMPV also sets aside 50% of PK 3 seats for native Spanish speakers even if they are OOB. IB would be higher and I know many IB families waitlisted who couldn’t get in because they were not native speakers

They can attend starting in K but they choose not to attend. The 26% does not take into account kids in private school. So this % is actually lower than 26%. There are other bilingual schools with the same requirements and higher IB participation rate.

Ones that feed into JR?

No. Marie Reed has 54% IB participation rate and Powell has 39% IB participation rate. They don’t feed into JR.

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

Thanks for this tip!

Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Yes, but BMPV's rate is higher and also reflective of all the IB families that don't choose dual language.

26% is very, very low.

BMPV also sets aside 50% of PK 3 seats for native Spanish speakers even if they are OOB. IB would be higher and I know many IB families waitlisted who couldn’t get in because they were not native speakers

They can attend starting in K but they choose not to attend. The 26% does not take into account kids in private school. So this % is actually lower than 26%. There are other bilingual schools with the same requirements and higher IB participation rate.

Ones that feed into JR?

No. Marie Reed has 54% IB participation rate and Powell has 39% IB participation rate. They don’t feed into JR.

Where do all of those IB kids go for middle school? Highly doubt it’s MacFarland and CHEC.

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

Thanks for this tip!

Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Yes, but BMPV's rate is higher and also reflective of all the IB families that don't choose dual language.

26% is very, very low.

BMPV also sets aside 50% of PK 3 seats for native Spanish speakers even if they are OOB. IB would be higher and I know many IB families waitlisted who couldn’t get in because they were not native speakers

They can attend starting in K but they choose not to attend. The 26% does not take into account kids in private school. So this % is actually lower than 26%. There are other bilingual schools with the same requirements and higher IB participation rate.

Ones that feed into JR?

No. Marie Reed has 54% IB participation rate and Powell has 39% IB participation rate. They don’t feed into JR.

Where do all of those IB kids go for middle school? Highly doubt it’s MacFarland and CHEC.

Wrong! Marie Reed is 43% IB according to the dcps school profile page.

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

Thanks for this tip!

Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Yes, but BMPV's rate is higher and also reflective of all the IB families that don't choose dual language.

26% is very, very low.

BMPV also sets aside 50% of PK 3 seats for native Spanish speakers even if they are OOB. IB would be higher and I know many IB families waitlisted who couldn’t get in because they were not native speakers

They can attend starting in K but they choose not to attend. The 26% does not take into account kids in private school. So this % is actually lower than 26%. There are other bilingual schools with the same requirements and higher IB participation rate.

Ones that feed into JR?

No. Marie Reed has 54% IB participation rate and Powell has 39% IB participation rate. They don’t feed into JR.

Where do all of those IB kids go for middle school? Highly doubt it’s MacFarland and CHEC.

Wrong! Marie Reed is 43% IB according to the dcps school profile page.

No, your number is % IB which is not he same as IB participation rate.

https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

Thanks for this tip!

Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Yes, but BMPV's rate is higher and also reflective of all the IB families that don't choose dual language.

26% is very, very low.

BMPV also sets aside 50% of PK 3 seats for native Spanish speakers even if they are OOB. IB would be higher and I know many IB families waitlisted who couldn’t get in because they were not native speakers

They can attend starting in K but they choose not to attend. The 26% does not take into account kids in private school. So this % is actually lower than 26%. There are other bilingual schools with the same requirements and higher IB participation rate.

Ones that feed into JR?

No. Marie Reed has 54% IB participation rate and Powell has 39% IB participation rate. They don’t feed into JR.

Where do all of those IB kids go for middle school? Highly doubt it’s MacFarland and CHEC.

Wrong! Marie Reed is 43% IB according to the dcps school profile page.

No, your number is % IB which is not he same as IB participation rate.

https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

Good lord who cares. It’s a school in the land of charters. Of course people exercise school choice in that area.

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Anonymous wrote:BMPV parent here. The onsite after-care program also served DC's previous DCPS, and was effectively fired by the principal there. They strike me as very hit-or-miss. We used them for one year and would not elect to use them again if other options are available. (BMPV's other option is ~3x the cost, so I feel your frustration).

Proximity is a good reason to switch if it will simplify your life/commute. I disagree about the community vibe, but in PK3 the "community" maybe hasn't coalesced yet. It may take a year or two. Look into how many IB families pick Burroughs - DCPS releases the data every year (sorry I don't have the link).

Requesting your PK3 teacher keep your child occupied for 90-minutes while the rest of the kids nap seems like an unreasonable ask to me. Some kids may start to drop their naps by the end of the year; many more will drop the nap in PK4, so this is a problem that will take care of itself with time/patience.

Thanks for this tip!

Both schools have very low IB participation rate. 19% Burroughs vs 26%BMVP.

Yes, but BMPV's rate is higher and also reflective of all the IB families that don't choose dual language.

26% is very, very low.

BMPV also sets aside 50% of PK 3 seats for native Spanish speakers even if they are OOB. IB would be higher and I know many IB families waitlisted who couldn’t get in because they were not native speakers

They can attend starting in K but they choose not to attend. The 26% does not take into account kids in private school. So this % is actually lower than 26%. There are other bilingual schools with the same requirements and higher IB participation rate.

Ones that feed into JR?

No. Marie Reed has 54% IB participation rate and Powell has 39% IB participation rate. They don’t feed into JR.

Where do all of those IB kids go for middle school? Highly doubt it’s MacFarland and CHEC.

Wrong! Marie Reed is 43% IB according to the dcps school profile page.

No, your number is % IB which is not he same as IB participation rate.

https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

Good lord who cares. It’s a school in the land of charters. Of course people exercise school choice in that area.

It doesn’t matter if you care or not but you need to understand the data before saying the number provided is “wrong”.