Forbes 20 'New Ivies'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ivies are loosing luster simply because the hiring managers are mostly 2nd tier elites or state uni grads. There aren't that many ivy grad hiring managers. There aren't that many ivy grads, period.

That said, the slippery slope here is that the 2nd tier universities are loosing steam as well. When the $90,000 price tag is factored in, their ROI is below that of state flagships. Next to the ivy pluses, state unis is the way to go. And the bonus is that there are more state uni grads hiring managers than 2nd tier elite grad hiring managers. They all pull for each other.

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[Anonymous]

The Ivy grads I know are doing just fine this year. These top 10/top 20 lists are silly. Lots of great schools to choose from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The article and the list don't actually seem to have anything to do with one another.

Why wouldn't the list be a compilation of the top 10 public and top 10 private colleges that the respondents indicate where they hire the most graduates?

Makes no sense that it is just a list of schools with high standardized test scores (although, strange that they say if only more than 50% of the schools had kids reporting test scores...seems like that threshold should be much higher)...and not a list of where companies hire kids.

I don't know what questions were asked but, here's what they looked at:

we also screened with a selectivity yardstick (below a 20% admission rate at private schools, 50% at publics). And then from there, we took the 32 remaining schools and surveyed our hiring manager respondents about each one.

[Anonymous]

So glad to see Binghamton there. Happy to see SUNY represented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ivies are loosing luster simply because the hiring managers are mostly 2nd tier elites or state uni grads. There aren't that many ivy grad hiring managers. There aren't that many ivy grads, period.

That said, the slippery slope here is that the 2nd tier universities are loosing steam as well. When the $90,000 price tag is factored in, their ROI is below that of state flagships. Next to the ivy pluses, state unis is the way to go. And the bonus is that there are more state uni grads hiring managers than 2nd tier elite grad hiring managers. They all pull for each other.
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I mean this is wishful thinking.
State Uni grads usually remain In-state or within a small region. They do not have the pull nationally, and few state schools have the rabid alumni network that for example BC or USC has.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you please list the 20 schools ?

Thank you in advance & thank you for posting.

Top publics:
Binghamton University
Georgia Institute of Technology
University of Florida Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
University of Maryland-College Park
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Texas-Austin Texas
University of Virginia Virginia
University of Wisconsin-Madison

The SAT scores are impressive for those publics, and the cost compared to private schools are so much cheaper, even for oos.


Top Privates:
Boston College
Carnegie Mellon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Rice University Texas
University of Notre Dame
University of Southern California
Vanderbilt University

Yeah. My kid is in at Georgetown, BC and UVA and WL at two HPYSM. I will forward it to my Ivy-obsessed kid .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you please list the 20 schools ?

Thank you in advance & thank you for posting.

Top publics:
Binghamton University
Georgia Institute of Technology
University of Florida Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
University of Maryland-College Park
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Texas-Austin Texas
University of Virginia Virginia
University of Wisconsin-Madison

The SAT scores are impressive for those publics, and the cost compared to private schools are so much cheaper, even for oos.


Top Privates:
Boston College
Carnegie Mellon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Rice University Texas
University of Notre Dame
University of Southern California
Vanderbilt University

To all the ranking freaks--this list is alphabetical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you please list the 20 schools ?

Thank you in advance & thank you for posting.

Top publics:
Binghamton University
Georgia Institute of Technology
University of Florida Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
University of Maryland-College Park
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Texas-Austin Texas
University of Virginia Virginia
University of Wisconsin-Madison

The SAT scores are impressive for those publics, and the cost compared to private schools are so much cheaper, even for oos.


Top Privates:
Boston College
Carnegie Mellon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Rice University Texas
University of Notre Dame
University of Southern California
Vanderbilt University

To all the ranking freaks--this list is alphabetical.

Okay already.

1) Northwestern
2) Tie among the next 9.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ivies are loosing luster simply because the hiring managers are mostly 2nd tier elites or state uni grads. There aren't that many ivy grad hiring managers. There aren't that many ivy grads, period.

That said, the slippery slope here is that the 2nd tier universities are loosing steam as well. When the $90,000 price tag is factored in, their ROI is below that of state flagships. Next to the ivy pluses, state unis is the way to go. And the bonus is that there are more state uni grads hiring managers than 2nd tier elite grad hiring managers. They all pull for each other.
.

I mean this is wishful thinking.
State Uni grads usually remain In-state or within a small region. They do not have the pull nationally, and few state schools have the rabid alumni network that for example BC or USC has.

Not true.

[Anonymous]

Forbes is a pay-for submit publication nowadays folks...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article and the list don't actually seem to have anything to do with one another.

Why wouldn't the list be a compilation of the top 10 public and top 10 private colleges that the respondents indicate where they hire the most graduates?

Makes no sense that it is just a list of schools with high standardized test scores (although, strange that they say if only more than 50% of the schools had kids reporting test scores...seems like that threshold should be much higher)...and not a list of where companies hire kids.

I don't know what questions were asked but, here's what they looked at:

we also screened with a selectivity yardstick (below a 20% admission rate at private schools, 50% at publics). And then from there, we took the 32 remaining schools and surveyed our hiring manager respondents about each one.

So, they cut the list to 32 schools through simply a selectivity yardstick and then asked the respondents? I still don't get it. Why wouldn't you ask the respondents to list the top 20 schools based on who they actually hire...which is factual and the hiring manager would know...get all those responses and then create the list based on the responses.

Why does it matter how selective a school may be. It's funny because they quote Mark Cuban who went to Indiana University and Kelley is a top ranked program...yet IU wasn't even an option for the respondents because it didn't make the cut down to 32 schools.

[Anonymous]

Is WashU falling fast?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I attended one of the schools listed, but throw shade on a methodology that excludes all California publics.

Agree. But also agree with Forbes that it is impossible to objectively evaluate the CA schools selectivity and student body strength objectively without any kind of standardized test scores.

Well! Well! Well! Look how the narrative is slowly changing in favor of standardized tests. I bet in 5 years the schools that ignore test scores will be the pariahs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you please list the 20 schools ?

Thank you in advance & thank you for posting.

Top publics:
Binghamton University
Georgia Institute of Technology
University of Florida Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
University of Maryland-College Park
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Texas-Austin Texas
University of Virginia Virginia
University of Wisconsin-Madison

The SAT scores are impressive for those publics, and the cost compared to private schools are so much cheaper, even for oos.


Top Privates:
Boston College
Carnegie Mellon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Rice University Texas
University of Notre Dame
University of Southern California
Vanderbilt University

Both the public and privates on this list are great schools. Tough admits. Not sure if they are ivies, and I have a child at one of them, But solid education and the privates have large endowments with excellent resources for students. Can’t go wrong with any of them

No WashU??

Even the AI that computed the data was confused about whether WashU was a public in Seattle or a private in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you please list the 20 schools ?

Thank you in advance & thank you for posting.

Top publics:
Binghamton University
Georgia Institute of Technology
University of Florida Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
University of Maryland-College Park
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Texas-Austin Texas
University of Virginia Virginia
University of Wisconsin-Madison

The SAT scores are impressive for those publics, and the cost compared to private schools are so much cheaper, even for oos.


Top Privates:
Boston College
Carnegie Mellon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Rice University Texas
University of Notre Dame
University of Southern California
Vanderbilt University

Yeah. My kid is in at Georgetown, BC and UVA and WL at two HPYSM. I will forward it to my Ivy-obsessed kid .

My kids are at Dundalk Community and Arundel Community. I'll forward this to 2nd tier obsessed kids. The community college alums of America is lobbying Forbes to list CCs as next ivies or near ivies.