Trans-male child and high school sports

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here.
A bit more detail...my kid goes to a non-competitive public. For their sports the school struggles to have enough players to field a team or compete on all the events. My kid being on the girls team isn't going to keep someone else off or make a difference in a County championship.
At the moment they are still exploring their gender identity. I suspect that they are going to end up identifying as non-binary which will make the sports question even more complicated.

Why would your kid be taking testosterone if this is the case?

Lots of nonbinary people go on cross sex hormones. Why are you posting here if you didn't know that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A girl can't "dope" with testosterone and stay on the girl's team. But a boy can suppress hormones, though still have what are technically "doping levels" and above of testosterone, and play with girls.

It makes no sense.

+1. If kids want to play, they can play on a team based on their biological sex. We have a million problems in this world and spending time with this debate at the high school level is just an unnecessary time suck.

You don't get to decide who gets to play where. MCPS and the state of Maryland makes those decisions. If you don't like it, take it up in the political sphere. The OP's child is not your political pawn. This is what's wrong with transphobes that post on this board, they boil children down to politics. Kids playing sports isn't political and you don't get to make those decisions. Run for the legislature if you want to change the laws and good luck running on a platform of saying trans boys shouldn't be able to play sports.

I don't think anyone is saying you can't play sports. But, what we don't want is trans girls playing against biological girls. I haven't seen this but, I doubt a trans boy could compete against biological boys. All our battles to get girls and women equal access only to be defeated by biological boys and men. Soon if it continues there will be zero biological women sports and that would seriously suck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here.
A bit more detail...my kid goes to a non-competitive public. For their sports the school struggles to have enough players to field a team or compete on all the events. My kid being on the girls team isn't going to keep someone else off or make a difference in a County championship.
At the moment they are still exploring their gender identity. I suspect that they are going to end up identifying as non-binary which will make the sports question even more complicated.

Why would your kid be taking testosterone if this is the case?

OP here -
First of all, I'm not sure if they are going to take testosterone. We are meeting as a family with the therapist and they want to talk about it. I want to go to the table with information. Hence why I am asking what the State policy is on students who are taking testosterone so we can incorporate that information in our decision making.
Many non-binary people take testosterone to defeminize themselves and appear more androgynous. A common treatment is micro dosing which administers T at a dose below what is usually used for conventional gender affirming hormone therapy

OP frankly I think sports is the least of your problems.

I beg you. Do serious, medically sound research on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your trans child is identifying as male and transitioning why would he want to stay on the girls team?
Not cool.

Because they wouldn't make the boy's team.

Sorry but, life isn't fair and when you chose than you have to take the consequences. Not every boy makes a team so not every trans boy can make the team either.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I think the women’s team is the new open team, so sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A girl can't "dope" with testosterone and stay on the girl's team. But a boy can suppress hormones, though still have what are technically "doping levels" and above of testosterone, and play with girls.

It makes no sense.

+1. If kids want to play, they can play on a team based on their biological sex. We have a million problems in this world and spending time with this debate at the high school level is just an unnecessary time suck.

You don't get to decide who gets to play where. MCPS and the state of Maryland makes those decisions. If you don't like it, take it up in the political sphere. The OP's child is not your political pawn. This is what's wrong with transphobes that post on this board, they boil children down to politics. Kids playing sports isn't political and you don't get to make those decisions. Run for the legislature if you want to change the laws and good luck running on a platform of saying trans boys shouldn't be able to play sports.

I don't think anyone is saying you can't play sports. But, what we don't want is trans girls playing against biological girls. I haven't seen this but, I doubt a trans boy could compete against biological boys. All our battles to get girls and women equal access only to be defeated by biological boys and men. Soon if it continues there will be zero biological women sports and that would seriously suck.

What are you even talking about? Everyone here is discussing the post made by the OP. OP's child is an AFAB NB and not a trans girl. This isn't the politics board and we aren't discussing trans girls in sports here. You're taking someones post asking for help about a local school district for her child and talking about something very different. Do you realize how screwed up you are?

And for the record, trans girls can play with cis girls in MCPS schools, not that it's at all relevant to the conversation or the post that you're trying to subvert for your bigoted beliefs. Again, this isn't the politics board. If you don't have useful input for the OP then why are you here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your trans child is identifying as male and transitioning why would he want to stay on the girls team?
Not cool.

Because they wouldn't make the boy's team.

Sorry but, life isn't fair and when you chose than you have to take the consequences. Not every boy makes a team so not every trans boy can make the team either.

Have you not bothered to read the post and replies from the OP? She clearly said that the school doesn't have enough kids on the teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here.
A bit more detail...my kid goes to a non-competitive public. For their sports the school struggles to have enough players to field a team or compete on all the events. My kid being on the girls team isn't going to keep someone else off or make a difference in a County championship.
At the moment they are still exploring their gender identity. I suspect that they are going to end up identifying as non-binary which will make the sports question even more complicated.

Why would your kid be taking testosterone if this is the case?

OP here -
First of all, I'm not sure if they are going to take testosterone. We are meeting as a family with the therapist and they want to talk about it. I want to go to the table with information. Hence why I am asking what the State policy is on students who are taking testosterone so we can incorporate that information in our decision making.
Many non-binary people take testosterone to defeminize themselves and appear more androgynous. A common treatment is micro dosing which administers T at a dose below what is usually used for conventional gender affirming hormone therapy

OP frankly I think sports is the least of your problems.

I beg you. Do serious, medically sound research on this.

Don't worry we are doing a lot of research and my husband and I are not on board yet.
I have done a lot of research on the medical and psychological considerations but I couldn't find a clear answer to this question.
Although my child is not a great athlete, they get a lot of joy from participating on their sports teams and the exercise is important for their physical and mental health.
If they aren't going to be able to continue on their sports teams that's something they need to know about before deciding if they want to take T.
Once they determine if this is something they still want then we as adults will make the final decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here.
A bit more detail...my kid goes to a non-competitive public. For their sports the school struggles to have enough players to field a team or compete on all the events. My kid being on the girls team isn't going to keep someone else off or make a difference in a County championship.
At the moment they are still exploring their gender identity. I suspect that they are going to end up identifying as non-binary which will make the sports question even more complicated.

Why would your kid be taking testosterone if this is the case?

OP here -
First of all, I'm not sure if they are going to take testosterone. We are meeting as a family with the therapist and they want to talk about it. I want to go to the table with information. Hence why I am asking what the State policy is on students who are taking testosterone so we can incorporate that information in our decision making.
Many non-binary people take testosterone to defeminize themselves and appear more androgynous. A common treatment is micro dosing which administers T at a dose below what is usually used for conventional gender affirming hormone therapy

OP frankly I think sports is the least of your problems.

I beg you. Do serious, medically sound research on this.

Don't worry we are doing a lot of research and my husband and I are not on board yet.
I have done a lot of research on the medical and psychological considerations but I couldn't find a clear answer to this question.
Although my child is not a great athlete, they get a lot of joy from participating on their sports teams and the exercise is important for their physical and mental health.
If they aren't going to be able to continue on their sports teams that's something they need to know about before deciding if they want to take T.
Once they determine if this is something they still want then we as adults will make the final decision.

Obviously this is child and case specific but based on what you’ve posted so far there is no way I’d let a female-bodied child who is “not a great athlete” participate on any high school boys sports team, medication or not.

You are asking for a whole new set of problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here.
A bit more detail...my kid goes to a non-competitive public. For their sports the school struggles to have enough players to field a team or compete on all the events. My kid being on the girls team isn't going to keep someone else off or make a difference in a County championship.
At the moment they are still exploring their gender identity. I suspect that they are going to end up identifying as non-binary which will make the sports question even more complicated.

Why would your kid be taking testosterone if this is the case?

OP here -
First of all, I'm not sure if they are going to take testosterone. We are meeting as a family with the therapist and they want to talk about it. I want to go to the table with information. Hence why I am asking what the State policy is on students who are taking testosterone so we can incorporate that information in our decision making.
Many non-binary people take testosterone to defeminize themselves and appear more androgynous. A common treatment is micro dosing which administers T at a dose below what is usually used for conventional gender affirming hormone therapy

OP frankly I think sports is the least of your problems.

I beg you. Do serious, medically sound research on this.

Don't worry we are doing a lot of research and my husband and I are not on board yet.
I have done a lot of research on the medical and psychological considerations but I couldn't find a clear answer to this question.
Although my child is not a great athlete, they get a lot of joy from participating on their sports teams and the exercise is important for their physical and mental health.
If they aren't going to be able to continue on their sports teams that's something they need to know about before deciding if they want to take T.
Once they determine if this is something they still want then we as adults will make the final decision.

Obviously this is child and case specific but based on what you’ve posted so far there is no way I’d let a female-bodied child who is “not a great athlete” participate on any high school boys sports team, medication or not.

You are asking for a whole new set of problems.

I think everyone's preference is for them to participate on the girls team. If MD state rules don't allow that they will stop participating in high school sports.

Like I said, no decisions have been made yet. I just am trying to figure out school athletic regulations.
If anyone actually knows what the rules are I'd appreciate a link.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your trans child is identifying as male and transitioning why would he want to stay on the girls team?
Not cool.

Because they wouldn't make the boy's team.

Sorry but, life isn't fair and when you chose than you have to take the consequences. Not every boy makes a team so not every trans boy can make the team either.

Have you not bothered to read the post and replies from the OP? She clearly said that the school doesn't have enough kids on the teams.

Is this a sport where the team doesn’t compete and play any other teams? Are the other teams all
Coed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your trans child is identifying as male and transitioning why would he want to stay on the girls team?
Not cool.

Because they wouldn't make the boy's team.

Sorry but, life isn't fair and when you chose than you have to take the consequences. Not every boy makes a team so not every trans boy can make the team either.

Have you not bothered to read the post and replies from the OP? She clearly said that the school doesn't have enough kids on the teams.

Is this a sport where the team doesn’t compete and play any other teams? Are the other teams all
Coed?

I appreciate your post but I'm not here to get advice on the topic of medicating them.

If no one knows the answer to the specific question about high school sports eligibility, I'll ask the admin take this down or have it moved to politics.
With the exception of a few posters, I'm a little dismayed that this sub forum is as unhelpful as most of the others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your trans child is identifying as male and transitioning why would he want to stay on the girls team?
Not cool.

Because they wouldn't make the boy's team.

Sorry but, life isn't fair and when you chose than you have to take the consequences. Not every boy makes a team so not every trans boy can make the team either.

Have you not bothered to read the post and replies from the OP? She clearly said that the school doesn't have enough kids on the teams.

Is this a sport where the team doesn’t compete and play any other teams? Are the other teams all
Coed?

I appreciate your post but I'm not here to get advice on the topic of medicating them.

If no one knows the answer to the specific question about high school sports eligibility, I'll ask the admin take this down or have it moved to politics.
With the exception of a few posters, I'm a little dismayed that this sub forum is as unhelpful as most of the others.

I found this through google but absolutely ask anyway. There's a few very outspoken transphobic people on this board that give their opinions as though they're facts on things like this. I doubt most of them even live in Montgomery County and they almost certainly don't have kids in sports playing against your child. What I'm saying is to ignore them.

If I'm reading this correctly, trans people can play on whatever team they want. It makes no mention of hormone testing and I doubt that would matter in high school sports.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/lgbtq/mcps-athletics-lgbtq-one-pager.rtm.pdf

Per MPSSAA guidance and to ensure competitive fairness, the integrity of women’s sports, and equal
opportunities to participate without discrimination, transgender and gender nonconforming students in MCPS
shall be permitted to participate on the interscholastic athletics team of—
the student’s sex assigned at birth; or
the gender to which the student has transitioned; or
the student’s asserted gender identity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your trans child is identifying as male and transitioning why would he want to stay on the girls team?
Not cool.

Because they wouldn't make the boy's team.

Sorry but, life isn't fair and when you chose than you have to take the consequences. Not every boy makes a team so not every trans boy can make the team either.

Have you not bothered to read the post and replies from the OP? She clearly said that the school doesn't have enough kids on the teams.

Is this a sport where the team doesn’t compete and play any other teams? Are the other teams all
Coed?

I appreciate your post but I'm not here to get advice on the topic of medicating them.

If no one knows the answer to the specific question about high school sports eligibility, I'll ask the admin take this down or have it moved to politics.
With the exception of a few posters, I'm a little dismayed that this sub forum is as unhelpful as most of the others.

I found this through google but absolutely ask anyway. There's a few very outspoken transphobic people on this board that give their opinions as though they're facts on things like this. I doubt most of them even live in Montgomery County and they almost certainly don't have kids in sports playing against your child. What I'm saying is to ignore them.

If I'm reading this correctly, trans people can play on whatever team they want. It makes no mention of hormone testing and I doubt that would matter in high school sports.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/lgbtq/mcps-athletics-lgbtq-one-pager.rtm.pdf

Per MPSSAA guidance and to ensure competitive fairness, the integrity of women’s sports, and equal
opportunities to participate without discrimination, transgender and gender nonconforming students in MCPS
shall be permitted to participate on the interscholastic athletics team of—
the student’s sex assigned at birth; or
the gender to which the student has transitioned; or
the student’s asserted gender identity.

Thank you, I did find that but noted it didn't talk about hormones. I didn't know how likely it is for them to do testing but now that you say that I bet they wouldn't for a Bad New Bears level team.
I don't live in MoCo but hopefully this applies to our school system as well. They have a liberal LGBTQI+ policy in general so hopefully we are good.

[Anonymous]

There are some national athletic associations that have explicit rules about this. I'm not sure if MCPS or any other school districts have anything similar, but this may be helpful guidance.

USA Hockey's Transgender Athletic Eligibility Policy states:

A transgender male (FTM athlete) may continue to play Girls Recreational Hockey or Girls
Competitive Hockey so long as the athlete has not begun testosterone hormone therapy related
to gender transition. A FTM athlete that has begun testosterone hormone therapy related to
gender transition shall be considered a male athlete and eligible only for the hockey
classifications not restricted by gender.