Biobanding

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every sport has age cutoffs.
Soccer is one of the sports where size has the least negative effect.

Do you have links to data and the scientific studies?
Would love to read how they reached those conclusions.

[Anonymous]

Common sense if you know anything about other sports, bro. Basketball? Hockey? Baseball? Swimming? Football? Volleyball?
Height and strength matter a whole lot more than soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Common sense if you know anything about other sports, bro. Basketball? Hockey? Baseball? Swimming? Football? Volleyball?
Height and strength matter a whole lot more than soccer.

Baseball!? Do they bio-band based on the size of your kid’s beer belly? 🤣

[Anonymous]

It is without doubt that size and strength matter in baseball (pitching, batting, throwing).

Agree that soccer is one of the sports where size/height/strength matter the LEAST. Sorry your kid is short, you alreayd picked the best sport for him without some scheme to play down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Common sense if you know anything about other sports, bro. Basketball? Hockey? Baseball? Swimming? Football? Volleyball?
Height and strength matter a whole lot more than soccer.

If there was anything such as common sense, everybody would have it

That said, you're saying your common sense trumps all the scientific studies using real world subjects regarding the impact of Relative Age Effect in youth sports?

We should ignore all the verifiable evidence and data about the impact of chronological vs biological age, size and early maturation in exchange for your opinion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they so weird about it? Why not band based on a skill assessment?

Cause then it would be called skill-banding. LMAO. and this is why clubs already have multiple level teams based on SKILL.

Actually it is based on size and speed not skill. So they are already are doing biobanding

Am I daft? The teams are primarily based on AGE - hence U-9, U-14 then further sorted by speed and skill (Red, Orange, green).

Bio banding is having a smaller player play DOWN but on a team commensurate with talent to obviate the very clear advantage size/speed brings to the game.

Other countries recognized they often missed out on their Messi / who is 5’6 by only developing their talls in U14-U-16 stage.

That's truer than you think https://medium.com/@giacorada/the-fascinating-birth-trend-among-professional-soccer-players-b2a48d015e7d

biobanding is meant to give kids born later the year a chance rather than washing them out early

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is without doubt that size and strength matter in baseball (pitching, batting, throwing).

Agree that soccer is one of the sports where size/height/strength matter the LEAST. Sorry your kid is short, you alreayd picked the best sport for him without some scheme to play down.

If you don't understand the topic, why feel the urgent need to comment?

[Anonymous]

no other sport seems to have as many whiners about "relative age" as soccer parents, when size matters much more in other sports. I wonder why that is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they so weird about it? Why not band based on a skill assessment?

Cause then it would be called skill-banding. LMAO. and this is why clubs already have multiple level teams based on SKILL.

Actually it is based on size and speed not skill. So they are already are doing biobanding

Am I daft? The teams are primarily based on AGE - hence U-9, U-14 then further sorted by speed and skill (Red, Orange, green).

Bio banding is having a smaller player play DOWN but on a team commensurate with talent to obviate the very clear advantage size/speed brings to the game.

Other countries recognized they often missed out on their Messi / who is 5’6 by only developing their talls in U14-U-16 stage.

That's truer than you think https://medium.com/@giacorada/the-fascinating-birth-trend-among-professional-soccer-players-b2a48d015e7d

biobanding is meant to give kids born later the year a chance rather than washing them out early

perhaps the problem is the notion that NINE year olds “wash out” …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:no other sport seems to have as many whiners about "relative age" as soccer parents, when size matters much more in other sports. I wonder why that is.

Maybe the soccer parents pool is more intelligent and intellectual.
They also realize the discussion is about Youth Sports and development.
Not adult sports in general.

A little more evolved than the CTE mouth-breather parents

Why are you on the Soccer forum?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is without doubt that size and strength matter in baseball (pitching, batting, throwing).

Agree that soccer is one of the sports where size/height/strength matter the LEAST. Sorry your kid is short, you alreayd picked the best sport for him without some scheme to play down.

Yes, of course size matters in baseball—the size of your GUT! OH! 🔥🤣🤪

But in all seriousness, that’s one of the great things about soccer—a sport that can accommodate all types and still be good in it. The other one that comes to mind is long-distance running, but that is too boring for suburban parents to fight over.

There ARE sports that actually favor smaller stature (as opposed to being kind of neutral about it like soccer), like gymnastics and rock climbing (the latter of which is, IMHO, underrated.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is without doubt that size and strength matter in baseball (pitching, batting, throwing).

Agree that soccer is one of the sports where size/height/strength matter the LEAST. Sorry your kid is short, you alreayd picked the best sport for him without some scheme to play down.

Yes, of course size matters in baseball—the size of your GUT! OH! 🔥🤣🤪

But in all seriousness, that’s one of the great things about soccer—a sport that can accommodate all types and still be good in it. The other one that comes to mind is long-distance running, but that is too boring for suburban parents to fight over.

There ARE sports that actually favor smaller stature (as opposed to being kind of neutral about it like soccer), like gymnastics and rock climbing (the latter of which is, IMHO, underrated.)

Where can we find this neutrality where size, early maturity and early bloomers doesn't matter in youth soccer?

Because it sure ain't on the fields

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is without doubt that size and strength matter in baseball (pitching, batting, throwing).

Agree that soccer is one of the sports where size/height/strength matter the LEAST. Sorry your kid is short, you alreayd picked the best sport for him without some scheme to play down.

Yes, of course size matters in baseball—the size of your GUT! OH! 🔥🤣🤪

But in all seriousness, that’s one of the great things about soccer—a sport that can accommodate all types and still be good in it. The other one that comes to mind is long-distance running, but that is too boring for suburban parents to fight over.

There ARE sports that actually favor smaller stature (as opposed to being kind of neutral about it like soccer), like gymnastics and rock climbing (the latter of which is, IMHO, underrated.)

Where can we find this neutrality where size, early maturity and early bloomers doesn't matter in youth soccer?

Because it sure ain't on the fields

It totally matters, but it’s all relative. Being short is far more of a determinant (or deterrent?) in basketball, for example, than soccer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they so weird about it? Why not band based on a skill assessment?

Cause then it would be called skill-banding. LMAO. and this is why clubs already have multiple level teams based on SKILL.

Actually it is based on size and speed not skill. So they are already are doing biobanding

Am I daft? The teams are primarily based on AGE - hence U-9, U-14 then further sorted by speed and skill (Red, Orange, green).

Bio banding is having a smaller player play DOWN but on a team commensurate with talent to obviate the very clear advantage size/speed brings to the game.

Other countries recognized they often missed out on their Messi / who is 5’6 by only developing their talls in U14-U-16 stage.

That's truer than you think https://medium.com/@giacorada/the-fascinating-birth-trend-among-professional-soccer-players-b2a48d015e7d

biobanding is meant to give kids born later the year a chance rather than washing them out early

perhaps the problem is the notion that NINE year olds “wash out” …

Across almost every sport, birthday turns out to be a huge factor. Biobanding is a way to capture more talent.

https://theathletic.com/3691009/2022/10/24/player-birthday-college-nba/

https://www.wired.com/2013/03/nhl-selection-bias/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is without doubt that size and strength matter in baseball (pitching, batting, throwing).

Agree that soccer is one of the sports where size/height/strength matter the LEAST. Sorry your kid is short, you alreayd picked the best sport for him without some scheme to play down.

Yes, of course size matters in baseball—the size of your GUT! OH! 🔥🤣🤪

But in all seriousness, that’s one of the great things about soccer—a sport that can accommodate all types and still be good in it. The other one that comes to mind is long-distance running, but that is too boring for suburban parents to fight over.

There ARE sports that actually favor smaller stature (as opposed to being kind of neutral about it like soccer), like gymnastics and rock climbing (the latter of which is, IMHO, underrated.)

Where can we find this neutrality where size, early maturity and early bloomers doesn't matter in youth soccer?

Because it sure ain't on the fields

It totally matters, but it’s all relative. Being short is far more of a determinant (or deterrent?) in basketball, for example, than soccer.

You do know the main problem with relative age effect is the Selection process before even getting to the Performance aspects?

The late bloomers and younger biological age kids aren't getting selected to be on top teams.