How much will Biden lose by?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.

LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.

There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.

But, sure carry on with the head scratching.

Everyone supports a ceasefire in the abstract. If you were to ask people do you support Hamas releasing the hostages, I'm pretty sure you'd find near universal agreement there too - except among many of the protesters.

The student protesters with their incoherent demands are a fringe. Yes, they have a real issue, but just like the protesters for Occupy Wall Street and BLM they are marginalizing the very issue they care about. Slogans like "Defund the police" and "From the river to the sea" make it impossible for the mainstream to support the progressive left. By election day, Gaza will be a non-issue for mainstream America. Nothing more than a little background noise.

If your head is buried, a roar sounds like background noise.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.

LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.

There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.

But, sure carry on with the head scratching.

+100. The entire Democratic establishment is ignoring the glaring issue that the Israel/Gaza issue is important to a lot of people. I am a NYS voter, a moderate Democrat (i.e., not a progressive) and have voted straight ticket D my entire life. Protecting reproductive rights is my most important voting issue. Demographically I’m someone Biden is probably taking for granted (Asian female professional, in the 29-35 age range).

And yet I will be withholding my vote for Biden over Gaza. Obviously I understand that Trump is worse on this issue and every other issue, but my intention in doing this is to cut into his margins in NY to make the point to the Democratic Party that they’ll lose voters over this and that they need to take a more nuanced position on Israel. What we are doing now is disgusting.

How do you feel about LGBTQ issues?

I’m the PP. I’m supportive of the LGBTQ community and am aligned with the general position of the party on upholding their human rights along with everyone else’s. I think people should use whatever bathroom they want. I am personally kind of skeptical about transgender women competing in women’s sports, and I think that some advocates for inclusive language go too far (“pregnant people”, for example), but that kind of stuff is not material to my vote.

OK PP. Now how does Israel approach those rights vs. Gaza and Hamas?

Oh, I see what you’re doing here. Clever. Unfortunately Israel has been committing a 6-month campaign of indiscriminate bombing (i.e., war crimes) against civilians, and actively withholding humanitarian aid, including food, water, and medicine, from said civilians, and murdering foreign aid workers who try to help said civilians, so they’re not winning any human rights awards anytime soon. Maybe try a better argument.

After they were attacked on October 7th. What do you think we did to the Japanese after Pearl Harbor, and rightfully so?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.

LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.

There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.

But, sure carry on with the head scratching.

Everyone supports a ceasefire in the abstract. If you were to ask people do you support Hamas releasing the hostages, I'm pretty sure you'd find near universal agreement there too - except among many of the protesters.

The student protesters with their incoherent demands are a fringe. Yes, they have a real issue, but just like the protesters for Occupy Wall Street and BLM they are marginalizing the very issue they care about. Slogans like "Defund the police" and "From the river to the sea" make it impossible for the mainstream to support the progressive left. By election day, Gaza will be a non-issue for mainstream America. Nothing more than a little background noise.

If your head is buried, a roar sounds like background noise.

I find it interesting how progressives are effectively cheering for a Trump victory. Like being able to say "I told you so" for a day is totally worth four years of misery - not just for women, minorities, the poor, the young, the environment, health care, but for Palestinians in particular. I never thought I'd see the day when the left is cheering for the Jared Kushner solution to the Middle East, but here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.

LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.

There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.

But, sure carry on with the head scratching.

Everyone supports a ceasefire in the abstract. If you were to ask people do you support Hamas releasing the hostages, I'm pretty sure you'd find near universal agreement there too - except among many of the protesters.

The student protesters with their incoherent demands are a fringe. Yes, they have a real issue, but just like the protesters for Occupy Wall Street and BLM they are marginalizing the very issue they care about. Slogans like "Defund the police" and "From the river to the sea" make it impossible for the mainstream to support the progressive left. By election day, Gaza will be a non-issue for mainstream America. Nothing more than a little background noise.

If your head is buried, a roar sounds like background noise.

I find it interesting how progressives are effectively cheering for a Trump victory. Like being able to say "I told you so" for a day is totally worth four years of misery - not just for women, minorities, the poor, the young, the environment, health care, but for Palestinians in particular. I never thought I'd see the day when the left is cheering for the Jared Kushner solution to the Middle East, but here we are.

These are people that cheered for that crazy person that set himself on fire outside of the embassy and hailed him as some kind of hero. There is no amount of masochism that is too much for them. Unfortunately, there is a decent chance that they will get their wish. At least as a straight white guy I won’t be as affected as some others, and I doubt that I’ll feel too bad for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Another thing that I believe contributing to low numbers for Biden is having Kamala Harris on the ticket.

Any objective, sane person can see the decline in Biden. The odds are likely that he could not last another 4.5 years. Harris is a liability, and voters know it.

VPs shouldn't have to be a determining factor. We have two likely major party nominees that are extraordinarily weak as candidates to the lead the country until 2029. That is the problem we should be focusing on so not to have it repeated in four years. Harris is no more an asset or liability than any other VP we've had in modern history. Let's not put the blame of the 2024 POTUS election debacle on her.

No, the problem we should be focusing on is that one of political parties has been taken over by a compromised malignant narcissist who is close to sundowning and the only person who comes close to beating him is the incumbent president. Get rid of the compromised guy who wants to be a dictator and everything else falls into place.

Giving Trump even a fraction of the ‘credit’ for our problems shows serious delusion. The delusions of the Democrats are why they struggle to defeat/defang ANYONE in a meaningful way. But for Democratic in$ider$, the ineffectuality is the point: it keeps the gravy trains coming or, and this possibility might be even worse, it is their habit after recent decades and they can’t even see the challenge to their own interests, let alone those of their constituents.

Our problems and much of the worlds problems are a result of a lack of US leadership at the top. Trump and Biden have had their turns and have clearly failed to step up and take control like a viable POTUS should. As long as naive American voters are willing to vote for these two clowns, our leadership failures will continue.

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Anonymous wrote:Another thing that I believe contributing to low numbers for Biden is having Kamala Harris on the ticket.

Any objective, sane person can see the decline in Biden. The odds are likely that he could not last another 4.5 years. Harris is a liability, and voters know it.

VPs shouldn't have to be a determining factor. We have two likely major party nominees that are extraordinarily weak as candidates to the lead the country until 2029. That is the problem we should be focusing on so not to have it repeated in four years. Harris is no more an asset or liability than any other VP we've had in modern history. Let's not put the blame of the 2024 POTUS election debacle on her.

No, the problem we should be focusing on is that one of political parties has been taken over by a compromised malignant narcissist who is close to sundowning and the only person who comes close to beating him is the incumbent president. Get rid of the compromised guy who wants to be a dictator and everything else falls into place.

Giving Trump even a fraction of the ‘credit’ for our problems shows serious delusion. The delusions of the Democrats are why they struggle to defeat/defang ANYONE in a meaningful way. But for Democratic in$ider$, the ineffectuality is the point: it keeps the gravy trains coming or, and this possibility might be even worse, it is their habit after recent decades and they can’t even see the challenge to their own interests, let alone those of their constituents.

Our problems and much of the worlds problems are a result of a lack of US leadership at the top. Trump and Biden have had their turns and have clearly failed to step up and take control like a viable POTUS should. As long as naive American voters are willing to vote for these two clowns, our leadership failures will continue.

Maybe you could expound on this "lack of leadership". You realize that any decision has winners and losers and if you split the baby, both sides are angry.

How have Biden and Trump clearly failed to step up?

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Anonymous wrote:Another thing that I believe contributing to low numbers for Biden is having Kamala Harris on the ticket.

Any objective, sane person can see the decline in Biden. The odds are likely that he could not last another 4.5 years. Harris is a liability, and voters know it.

VPs shouldn't have to be a determining factor. We have two likely major party nominees that are extraordinarily weak as candidates to the lead the country until 2029. That is the problem we should be focusing on so not to have it repeated in four years. Harris is no more an asset or liability than any other VP we've had in modern history. Let's not put the blame of the 2024 POTUS election debacle on her.

No, the problem we should be focusing on is that one of political parties has been taken over by a compromised malignant narcissist who is close to sundowning and the only person who comes close to beating him is the incumbent president. Get rid of the compromised guy who wants to be a dictator and everything else falls into place.

Giving Trump even a fraction of the ‘credit’ for our problems shows serious delusion. The delusions of the Democrats are why they struggle to defeat/defang ANYONE in a meaningful way. But for Democratic in$ider$, the ineffectuality is the point: it keeps the gravy trains coming or, and this possibility might be even worse, it is their habit after recent decades and they can’t even see the challenge to their own interests, let alone those of their constituents.

Our problems and much of the worlds problems are a result of a lack of US leadership at the top. Trump and Biden have had their turns and have clearly failed to step up and take control like a viable POTUS should. As long as naive American voters are willing to vote for these two clowns, our leadership failures will continue.

We are neither the source nor solution of the World's problems. We are not the world police, and we can't tell other's what to do. Who wins in November will have ZERO effect Israel/Gaza

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.

LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.

There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.

But, sure carry on with the head scratching.

+100. The entire Democratic establishment is ignoring the glaring issue that the Israel/Gaza issue is important to a lot of people. I am a NYS voter, a moderate Democrat (i.e., not a progressive) and have voted straight ticket D my entire life. Protecting reproductive rights is my most important voting issue. Demographically I’m someone Biden is probably taking for granted (Asian female professional, in the 29-35 age range).

And yet I will be withholding my vote for Biden over Gaza. Obviously I understand that Trump is worse on this issue and every other issue, but my intention in doing this is to cut into his margins in NY to make the point to the Democratic Party that they’ll lose voters over this and that they need to take a more nuanced position on Israel. What we are doing now is disgusting.

How do you feel about LGBTQ issues?

I’m the PP. I’m supportive of the LGBTQ community and am aligned with the general position of the party on upholding their human rights along with everyone else’s. I think people should use whatever bathroom they want. I am personally kind of skeptical about transgender women competing in women’s sports, and I think that some advocates for inclusive language go too far (“pregnant people”, for example), but that kind of stuff is not material to my vote.

OK PP. Now how does Israel approach those rights vs. Gaza and Hamas?

Oh, I see what you’re doing here. Clever. Unfortunately Israel has been committing a 6-month campaign of indiscriminate bombing (i.e., war crimes) against civilians, and actively withholding humanitarian aid, including food, water, and medicine, from said civilians, and murdering foreign aid workers who try to help said civilians, so they’re not winning any human rights awards anytime soon. Maybe try a better argument.

After they were attacked on October 7th. What do you think we did to the Japanese after Pearl Harbor, and rightfully so?

You’re not going to convince me and I’m not going to convince you. It’s my view that the way Israel has prosecuted this “war” over the past months is morally and legally criminal. I don’t think the ends justify the means, which are bombing and starving children as a basic matter of strategy. I don’t want the US to be providing military aid and political cover to a country that does that. Obviously this is embedded in the political establishment in both parties, for now, and as a Democrat I want my party to change its position. Voting for Biden isn’t going to do that, so I’m not going to vote for him. Unfortunately an individual vote in NY isn’t much leverage, but it’s all I’ve got. I hope others who feel similarly will do the same.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.

LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.

There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.

But, sure carry on with the head scratching.

+100. The entire Democratic establishment is ignoring the glaring issue that the Israel/Gaza issue is important to a lot of people. I am a NYS voter, a moderate Democrat (i.e., not a progressive) and have voted straight ticket D my entire life. Protecting reproductive rights is my most important voting issue. Demographically I’m someone Biden is probably taking for granted (Asian female professional, in the 29-35 age range).

And yet I will be withholding my vote for Biden over Gaza. Obviously I understand that Trump is worse on this issue and every other issue, but my intention in doing this is to cut into his margins in NY to make the point to the Democratic Party that they’ll lose voters over this and that they need to take a more nuanced position on Israel. What we are doing now is disgusting.

How do you feel about LGBTQ issues?

I’m the PP. I’m supportive of the LGBTQ community and am aligned with the general position of the party on upholding their human rights along with everyone else’s. I think people should use whatever bathroom they want. I am personally kind of skeptical about transgender women competing in women’s sports, and I think that some advocates for inclusive language go too far (“pregnant people”, for example), but that kind of stuff is not material to my vote.

OK PP. Now how does Israel approach those rights vs. Gaza and Hamas?

Oh, I see what you’re doing here. Clever. Unfortunately Israel has been committing a 6-month campaign of indiscriminate bombing (i.e., war crimes) against civilians, and actively withholding humanitarian aid, including food, water, and medicine, from said civilians, and murdering foreign aid workers who try to help said civilians, so they’re not winning any human rights awards anytime soon. Maybe try a better argument.

After they were attacked on October 7th. What do you think we did to the Japanese after Pearl Harbor, and rightfully so?

You’re not going to convince me and I’m not going to convince you. It’s my view that the way Israel has prosecuted this “war” over the past months is morally and legally criminal. I don’t think the ends justify the means, which are bombing and starving children as a basic matter of strategy. I don’t want the US to be providing military aid and political cover to a country that does that. Obviously this is embedded in the political establishment in both parties, for now, and as a Democrat I want my party to change its position. Voting for Biden isn’t going to do that, so I’m not going to vote for him. Unfortunately an individual vote in NY isn’t much leverage, but it’s all I’ve got. I hope others who feel similarly will do the same.

So then your view is Israel should back off, wait under several years of peace and then be attacked again? But at least YOU didn't have to read about it in the news for a while and so you feel better about yourself? If I'm not correct, let me know.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.

LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.

There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.

But, sure carry on with the head scratching.

+100. The entire Democratic establishment is ignoring the glaring issue that the Israel/Gaza issue is important to a lot of people. I am a NYS voter, a moderate Democrat (i.e., not a progressive) and have voted straight ticket D my entire life. Protecting reproductive rights is my most important voting issue. Demographically I’m someone Biden is probably taking for granted (Asian female professional, in the 29-35 age range).

And yet I will be withholding my vote for Biden over Gaza. Obviously I understand that Trump is worse on this issue and every other issue, but my intention in doing this is to cut into his margins in NY to make the point to the Democratic Party that they’ll lose voters over this and that they need to take a more nuanced position on Israel. What we are doing now is disgusting.

How do you feel about LGBTQ issues?

I’m the PP. I’m supportive of the LGBTQ community and am aligned with the general position of the party on upholding their human rights along with everyone else’s. I think people should use whatever bathroom they want. I am personally kind of skeptical about transgender women competing in women’s sports, and I think that some advocates for inclusive language go too far (“pregnant people”, for example), but that kind of stuff is not material to my vote.

OK PP. Now how does Israel approach those rights vs. Gaza and Hamas?

Oh, I see what you’re doing here. Clever. Unfortunately Israel has been committing a 6-month campaign of indiscriminate bombing (i.e., war crimes) against civilians, and actively withholding humanitarian aid, including food, water, and medicine, from said civilians, and murdering foreign aid workers who try to help said civilians, so they’re not winning any human rights awards anytime soon. Maybe try a better argument.

After they were attacked on October 7th. What do you think we did to the Japanese after Pearl Harbor, and rightfully so?

You’re not going to convince me and I’m not going to convince you. It’s my view that the way Israel has prosecuted this “war” over the past months is morally and legally criminal. I don’t think the ends justify the means, which are bombing and starving children as a basic matter of strategy. I don’t want the US to be providing military aid and political cover to a country that does that. Obviously this is embedded in the political establishment in both parties, for now, and as a Democrat I want my party to change its position. Voting for Biden isn’t going to do that, so I’m not going to vote for him. Unfortunately an individual vote in NY isn’t much leverage, but it’s all I’ve got. I hope others who feel similarly will do the same.

".. she wrote over her morning coffee." What a cop out. Go do something actually positive in support of Palestine.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.

LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.

There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.

But, sure carry on with the head scratching.

Everyone supports a ceasefire in the abstract. If you were to ask people do you support Hamas releasing the hostages, I'm pretty sure you'd find near universal agreement there too - except among many of the protesters.

The student protesters with their incoherent demands are a fringe. Yes, they have a real issue, but just like the protesters for Occupy Wall Street and BLM they are marginalizing the very issue they care about. Slogans like "Defund the police" and "From the river to the sea" make it impossible for the mainstream to support the progressive left. By election day, Gaza will be a non-issue for mainstream America. Nothing more than a little background noise.

If your head is buried, a roar sounds like background noise.

I find it interesting how progressives are effectively cheering for a Trump victory. Like being able to say "I told you so" for a day is totally worth four years of misery - not just for women, minorities, the poor, the young, the environment, health care, but for Palestinians in particular. I never thought I'd see the day when the left is cheering for the Jared Kushner solution to the Middle East, but here we are.

It’s people like you who are not listening, and taking people’s votes for granted. I despise minority rule, and have protested it every time the GOP has allowed it. Now, the Dems are doing the very same — at their own risk. If you think I’m cheering, you are sadly mistaken. This is 💯 on Biden and the Dems. If they truly cared about the US Biden would step down. It’s that simple.

Right now this is a race between two massive egos. Trump is one, but Biden is one too. He is only in it to beat Trump again.

There is zero reason the DNC needs to put up Biden. Zero.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.

LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.

There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.

But, sure carry on with the head scratching.

+100. The entire Democratic establishment is ignoring the glaring issue that the Israel/Gaza issue is important to a lot of people. I am a NYS voter, a moderate Democrat (i.e., not a progressive) and have voted straight ticket D my entire life. Protecting reproductive rights is my most important voting issue. Demographically I’m someone Biden is probably taking for granted (Asian female professional, in the 29-35 age range).

And yet I will be withholding my vote for Biden over Gaza. Obviously I understand that Trump is worse on this issue and every other issue, but my intention in doing this is to cut into his margins in NY to make the point to the Democratic Party that they’ll lose voters over this and that they need to take a more nuanced position on Israel. What we are doing now is disgusting.

How do you feel about LGBTQ issues?

I’m the PP. I’m supportive of the LGBTQ community and am aligned with the general position of the party on upholding their human rights along with everyone else’s. I think people should use whatever bathroom they want. I am personally kind of skeptical about transgender women competing in women’s sports, and I think that some advocates for inclusive language go too far (“pregnant people”, for example), but that kind of stuff is not material to my vote.

OK PP. Now how does Israel approach those rights vs. Gaza and Hamas?

Oh, I see what you’re doing here. Clever. Unfortunately Israel has been committing a 6-month campaign of indiscriminate bombing (i.e., war crimes) against civilians, and actively withholding humanitarian aid, including food, water, and medicine, from said civilians, and murdering foreign aid workers who try to help said civilians, so they’re not winning any human rights awards anytime soon. Maybe try a better argument.

After they were attacked on October 7th. What do you think we did to the Japanese after Pearl Harbor, and rightfully so?

You’re not going to convince me and I’m not going to convince you. It’s my view that the way Israel has prosecuted this “war” over the past months is morally and legally criminal. I don’t think the ends justify the means, which are bombing and starving children as a basic matter of strategy. I don’t want the US to be providing military aid and political cover to a country that does that. Obviously this is embedded in the political establishment in both parties, for now, and as a Democrat I want my party to change its position. Voting for Biden isn’t going to do that, so I’m not going to vote for him. Unfortunately an individual vote in NY isn’t much leverage, but it’s all I’ve got. I hope others who feel similarly will do the same.

".. she wrote over her morning coffee." What a cop out. Go do something actually positive in support of Palestine.

I don’t answer to you. I posted in response to a PP who claims to Democratic polling and is not understanding why Biden’s numbers aren’t higher. So I explained why I, a Democratic voter, am not voting for him in November.

I think it’s shortsighted for the party to ignore that many voters are upset with Biden over Gaza. I don’t really care if you agree or disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.

LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.

There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.

But, sure carry on with the head scratching.

Everyone supports a ceasefire in the abstract. If you were to ask people do you support Hamas releasing the hostages, I'm pretty sure you'd find near universal agreement there too - except among many of the protesters.

The student protesters with their incoherent demands are a fringe. Yes, they have a real issue, but just like the protesters for Occupy Wall Street and BLM they are marginalizing the very issue they care about. Slogans like "Defund the police" and "From the river to the sea" make it impossible for the mainstream to support the progressive left. By election day, Gaza will be a non-issue for mainstream America. Nothing more than a little background noise.

If your head is buried, a roar sounds like background noise.

I find it interesting how progressives are effectively cheering for a Trump victory. Like being able to say "I told you so" for a day is totally worth four years of misery - not just for women, minorities, the poor, the young, the environment, health care, but for Palestinians in particular. I never thought I'd see the day when the left is cheering for the Jared Kushner solution to the Middle East, but here we are.

It’s people like you who are not listening, and taking people’s votes for granted. I despise minority rule, and have protested it every time the GOP has allowed it. Now, the Dems are doing the very same — at their own risk. If you think I’m cheering, you are sadly mistaken. This is 💯 on Biden and the Dems. If they truly cared about the US Biden would step down. It’s that simple.

Right now this is a race between two massive egos. Trump is one, but Biden is one too. He is only in it to beat Trump again.

There is zero reason the DNC needs to put up Biden. Zero.

Let me get this straight. The progressive solution to the problems in Gaza is for Biden to resign the presidency. And then everything will turn into rainbows and unicorns for the Palestinian people. It's that simple for the left.

Never mind that President Kamala Harris will lose to Trump in nearly all fifty states. The down ballot realities will ensure that Republicans keep the Senate and likely the House too, not to mention most of the competitive State houses. An aggressively right wing pro-Israel cohort of evangelicals and allies of Bezalel Smotrich, the head of the Religious Zionist party, will then dictate US policy toward Israel. And these right wing advisors, who enthusiastically support settlements in the West Bank and the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza, are what progressives think will bring a just peace and happiness for the Palestinian people. And to this end progressives are willing to send women's rights into the dark ages, destroy the environment, and ensure millions of Americans become ensnared in poverty.

This is the progressive solution. And what all the student protestors are hoping will happen.

Correct?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.

LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.

There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.

But, sure carry on with the head scratching.

Everyone supports a ceasefire in the abstract. If you were to ask people do you support Hamas releasing the hostages, I'm pretty sure you'd find near universal agreement there too - except among many of the protesters.

The student protesters with their incoherent demands are a fringe. Yes, they have a real issue, but just like the protesters for Occupy Wall Street and BLM they are marginalizing the very issue they care about. Slogans like "Defund the police" and "From the river to the sea" make it impossible for the mainstream to support the progressive left. By election day, Gaza will be a non-issue for mainstream America. Nothing more than a little background noise.

If your head is buried, a roar sounds like background noise.

I find it interesting how progressives are effectively cheering for a Trump victory. Like being able to say "I told you so" for a day is totally worth four years of misery - not just for women, minorities, the poor, the young, the environment, health care, but for Palestinians in particular. I never thought I'd see the day when the left is cheering for the Jared Kushner solution to the Middle East, but here we are.

It’s people like you who are not listening, and taking people’s votes for granted. I despise minority rule, and have protested it every time the GOP has allowed it. Now, the Dems are doing the very same — at their own risk. If you think I’m cheering, you are sadly mistaken. This is 💯 on Biden and the Dems. If they truly cared about the US Biden would step down. It’s that simple.

Right now this is a race between two massive egos. Trump is one, but Biden is one too. He is only in it to beat Trump again.

There is zero reason the DNC needs to put up Biden. Zero.

Let me get this straight. The progressive solution to the problems in Gaza is for Biden to resign the presidency. And then everything will turn into rainbows and unicorns for the Palestinian people. It's that simple for the left.

Never mind that President Kamala Harris will lose to Trump in nearly all fifty states. The down ballot realities will ensure that Republicans keep the Senate and likely the House too, not to mention most of the competitive State houses. An aggressively right wing pro-Israel cohort of evangelicals and allies of Bezalel Smotrich, the head of the Religious Zionist party, will then dictate US policy toward Israel. And these right wing advisors, who enthusiastically support settlements in the West Bank and the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza, are what progressives think will bring a just peace and happiness for the Palestinian people. And to this end progressives are willing to send women's rights into the dark ages, destroy the environment, and ensure millions of Americans become ensnared in poverty.

This is the progressive solution. And what all the student protestors are hoping will happen.

Correct?

DP. I don’t think the PP is saying that Biden should pull out of the candidacy because of Gaza. It’s because a lot of Democrats and swing voters aren’t happy with him for various reasons, including Gaza but also other things, like his age and obvious cognitive decline. And that a combination of these factors makes him likely to lose, which will lead to the Trumpian hellscape you describe above.

The Democratic Party seems to be messaging to these voters, who cares about your concerns, vote for Biden because Trump. Rather than actually addressing Biden’s weaknesses and pressuring him to step down and allow a primary and some new blood.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Democratic pollster. Been analyzing polls for the DNC for 7 years now. TBH, we're all worried. Very worried. We know that our polls underreport Trump voters and independents who lean R. Biden's low approval numbers aren't budging and we have no f'ing clue why not. For a while, we thought it was a messaging problem but his numbers just aren't moving as we approach the general.

LOL. If only pollsters would read the polls that show the vast majority of Dems support a ceasefire as of two months ago, so probably higher now. They even broke out Jewish Dems and Muslim Dems and both by a far majority favor a ceasefire.

There was another poll that showed more than 60% of voters do not like the way Biden is handling the conflict.

But, sure carry on with the head scratching.

+100. The entire Democratic establishment is ignoring the glaring issue that the Israel/Gaza issue is important to a lot of people. I am a NYS voter, a moderate Democrat (i.e., not a progressive) and have voted straight ticket D my entire life. Protecting reproductive rights is my most important voting issue. Demographically I’m someone Biden is probably taking for granted (Asian female professional, in the 29-35 age range).

And yet I will be withholding my vote for Biden over Gaza. Obviously I understand that Trump is worse on this issue and every other issue, but my intention in doing this is to cut into his margins in NY to make the point to the Democratic Party that they’ll lose voters over this and that they need to take a more nuanced position on Israel. What we are doing now is disgusting.

How do you feel about LGBTQ issues?

I’m the PP. I’m supportive of the LGBTQ community and am aligned with the general position of the party on upholding their human rights along with everyone else’s. I think people should use whatever bathroom they want. I am personally kind of skeptical about transgender women competing in women’s sports, and I think that some advocates for inclusive language go too far (“pregnant people”, for example), but that kind of stuff is not material to my vote.

OK PP. Now how does Israel approach those rights vs. Gaza and Hamas?

Oh, I see what you’re doing here. Clever. Unfortunately Israel has been committing a 6-month campaign of indiscriminate bombing (i.e., war crimes) against civilians, and actively withholding humanitarian aid, including food, water, and medicine, from said civilians, and murdering foreign aid workers who try to help said civilians, so they’re not winning any human rights awards anytime soon. Maybe try a better argument.

After they were attacked on October 7th. What do you think we did to the Japanese after Pearl Harbor, and rightfully so?

You’re not going to convince me and I’m not going to convince you. It’s my view that the way Israel has prosecuted this “war” over the past months is morally and legally criminal. I don’t think the ends justify the means, which are bombing and starving children as a basic matter of strategy. I don’t want the US to be providing military aid and political cover to a country that does that. Obviously this is embedded in the political establishment in both parties, for now, and as a Democrat I want my party to change its position. Voting for Biden isn’t going to do that, so I’m not going to vote for him. Unfortunately an individual vote in NY isn’t much leverage, but it’s all I’ve got. I hope others who feel similarly will do the same.

You’re right. Your choice to not vote for Biden does nothing to move your concerns forward.