Amherst, Rice or Columbia

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Anonymous wrote:How is this a ?

Rice is in Texas.

Before Republicans went insane sure awesome choice now.

Hell no.

Wow! Just shows how democrats are the most biased of all people.

Kind of a broad response to a single, anonymous post that could be a troll, Republican or bot, dontcha think?

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Emory is better than WashU and peers of Vandy and Cornell. Columbia is a step above but not as much as you may think. Columbia used to be a half step below HYPSM now its closer to Emory than to Harvard. Sorry.

Please explain why that is, specifically. What has dropped about Columbias education product that makes it now inferior to what it was.

I bet you cannot.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Emory is better than WashU and peers of Vandy and Cornell. Columbia is a step above but not as much as you may think. Columbia used to be a half step below HYPSM now its closer to Emory than to Harvard. Sorry.

Emory??? Hahaha! You are so funny! Nothing to be sorry about. I needed a good laugh!

Laughing to keep from crying, we've all been there.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

The realization that Columbia GS is so much worse than the school itself or a school like Emory. These students get a Columbia undergrad degree but the school has a near 60% transfer acceptance rate and test score in the 1200's. These could never compare to any T30 school, and they make up 25% of the student population. This wasn't public knowledge until the cheating scandal.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Emory is better than WashU and peers of Vandy and Cornell. Columbia is a step above but not as much as you may think. Columbia used to be a half step below HYPSM now its closer to Emory than to Harvard. Sorry.

Please explain why that is, specifically. What has dropped about Columbias education product that makes it now inferior to what it was.

I bet you cannot.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Emory is better than WashU and peers of Vandy and Cornell. Columbia is a step above but not as much as you may think. Columbia used to be a half step below HYPSM now its closer to Emory than to Harvard. Sorry.

Please explain why that is, specifically. What has dropped about Columbias education product that makes it now inferior to what it was.

I bet you cannot.

The realization that Columbia GS is so much worse than the school itself or a school like Emory. These students get a Columbia undergrad degree but the school has a near 60% transfer acceptance rate and test score in the 1200's. These could never compare to any T30 school, and they make up 25% of the student population. This wasn't public knowledge until the cheating scandal.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Emory is better than WashU and peers of Vandy and Cornell. Columbia is a step above but not as much as you may think. Columbia used to be a half step below HYPSM now its closer to Emory than to Harvard. Sorry.

Please explain why that is, specifically. What has dropped about Columbias education product that makes it now inferior to what it was.

I bet you cannot.

The realization that Columbia GS is so much worse than the school itself or a school like Emory. These students get a Columbia undergrad degree but the school has a near 60% transfer acceptance rate and test score in the 1200's. These could never compare to any T30 school, and they make up 25% of the student population. This wasn't public knowledge until the cheating scandal.

Did OPs kid get into Columbia GS or Columbia College (CC) of Columbia University? Right out of HS, GS is not an option. It's an automatic CC, unless one applies to Columbia Barnard or Columbia Engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Emory is better than WashU and peers of Vandy and Cornell. Columbia is a step above but not as much as you may think. Columbia used to be a half step below HYPSM now its closer to Emory than to Harvard. Sorry.

Emory??? Hahaha! You are so funny! Nothing to be sorry about. I needed a good laugh!

Laughing to keep from crying, we've all been there.

Nope

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Emory is better than WashU and peers of Vandy and Cornell. Columbia is a step above but not as much as you may think. Columbia used to be a half step below HYPSM now its closer to Emory than to Harvard. Sorry.

Please explain why that is, specifically. What has dropped about Columbias education product that makes it now inferior to what it was.

I bet you cannot.

The realization that Columbia GS is so much worse than the school itself or a school like Emory. These students get a Columbia undergrad degree but the school has a near 60% transfer acceptance rate and test score in the 1200's. These could never compare to any T30 school, and they make up 25% of the student population. This wasn't public knowledge until the cheating scandal.

Umm, no sorry wrong.

Everyone knows about programs like GS. Most of the elites have them. Including the H in HYP. Books have been written about them, like this one published over a decade ago: https://homerbookstore.indielite.org/book/9780399164309

Just because YOU didn't know doesn't mean the rest of the world does not. When you learn something it is great, but that does not mean reality has changed one iota.

So, you have failed, and may try again if you wish. What has dropped about Columbia's education product that makes it now inferior to what it was.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Emory is better than WashU and peers of Vandy and Cornell. Columbia is a step above but not as much as you may think. Columbia used to be a half step below HYPSM now its closer to Emory than to Harvard. Sorry.

This is so stupid. These are all great schools and it’s really a waste of time to argue which one is “a step above” when they’re really all on about the same level or similar enough in terms of a academic excellence and post grad outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:OP. We are down to columbia vs rice. Not an engineer. Maybe econ. Maybe stats. Thoughts.

You really should visit if you can. They're both pedigree schools. They'll both open doors. Though if you want Wall Street, Columbia is the better option. That's not really the Rice vibe. It's a more chill atmosphere, a little nerdier. It's bright students doing their thing. STEM is probably what they are most known for, but they are solid in everything. It's a comfortable school with a residential college system, so it's easy to feel part of a community. It is a very rigorous school though. No one is gliding through Rice.

Columbia is Columbia. It's in the news 24/7 presently. Every potential student has to ask is that the environment they want to be a part of. For some it's a plus. And for some it's a huge red flag. The tensions there between protestors and Jewish students and those that just want to ignore the noise and grind are very real. You either want to be a part of the cacophony or you don't. Even in the best of circumstances, Columbia is not chill. But I think the fractures that are evident on the Columbia campus are going to be long lasting.

Many of the pro-Palestinian protestors ARE Jewish students. JVP and SJP include many anti-Zionist Jewish students. The protests reflect a youth voice more than an ethnic voice. That said, poor Columbia is being sued by both sides. It's impossible to keep everyone happy in this climate. Once the nascent paradigm becomes the dominant and generally accepted paradigm, everything should settle down, just as it did after the BLM protests.

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Depends on major.

STEM: Rice

Amherst: Pre-law or med, Business

Columbia: Government or international affairs.

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Anonymous wrote:OP. We are down to columbia vs rice. Not an engineer. Maybe econ. Maybe stats. Thoughts.

This is very easy - but obviously OP debating. Only OP knows. Let OP/student follow their heart.

Hi, I am a huge Rice fan. But just for econ, I would consider Columbia academics over Rice. Social Sciences are good at Rice but it is not its strength. Though Rice has Baker and Kinder Institutes which opens up amazing social science research opportunities at the undergrad level. Lot of universities have research but it is important to see whether undergrads can access these-at Rice you can.

But you have to look at other factors and decide--undergrad quality of life is very different at Columbia and Rice. Rice gives a easier transition and is designed for a undergrad community. It has an intimate and friendly campus. OP, you have to decide what is a good fit for your child.

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I have not dog in this fight, but thing that gives me pause about Columbia is their massive PR machine. The amount of time they spent making up fake data and then trying to discredit their own professor when they were caught is incredible. We see that same kind of spin on this thread.

That’s one of the reasons Columbia’s reputation has declined.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a close call. I grew up in Houston. Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia. Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy. My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy. Ivy any day, all day. Great outcomes and congrats.

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy.

It pretty much is. At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools. It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.

Emory is better than WashU and peers of Vandy and Cornell. Columbia is a step above but not as much as you may think. Columbia used to be a half step below HYPSM now its closer to Emory than to Harvard. Sorry.

Please explain why that is, specifically. What has dropped about Columbias education product that makes it now inferior to what it was.

I bet you cannot.

The realization that Columbia GS is so much worse than the school itself or a school like Emory. These students get a Columbia undergrad degree but the school has a near 60% transfer acceptance rate and test score in the 1200's. These could never compare to any T30 school, and they make up 25% of the student population. This wasn't public knowledge until the cheating scandal.

This is silly. Columbia GS is a noble program. The only downside is how skimpy the financial aid for those students is.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not dog in this fight, but thing that gives me pause about Columbia is their massive PR machine. The amount of time they spent making up fake data and then trying to discredit their own professor when they were caught is incredible. We see that same kind of spin on this thread.

That’s one of the reasons Columbia’s reputation has declined.

That’s bad.

But the Republican hate machine is clearly trying to crush it, for whatever reason, and decent people, including conservatives with a conscience, should be standing up for it, just as we ought to stand up for the right for Brigham Young to operate in a more conservative way.

Political organizations shouldn’t be trying to persecute schools just to show everyone who’s boss.