B-CC MS number 2

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You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.

PP here. I'm not sure where to start. Of course no one is getting everything they want - it shouldn't be that way and that's not how the world works. And perhaps I missed it but I don't recall anyone calling opposing views stupid or unreasonable. If you could keep name calling out of it, that would be great. All I'm saying is that if the BOE is taking a philosophical stand that proximity matters, then they should stick by that philosophy and make proximity matter. Not have it matter in situation A but not situation B - which is where things are now. Proximity is good for middle school but not elementary. For elementary diversity matters but does not in middle school. Their logic is inconsistent - that's all I'm saying.

The board weighed many things unique to this sitatuon. Again you as make my the unsubstantiated leap from one boundary study result. To a whole policy on how boundaries are handled

It is an easy common sense leap to make. What is good for MS#2 and RCF is good for RHPS. The same standard should apply to all. How is that a leap at all?

It's a leap because the every boundary study is unique. There is no one size fits all approach to handle every community. The Triad is a different community than the BCC cluster as a whole.

Total BS and you know it.

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I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.

I would not say we are kicking and screaming b/c we did not get our way. Its pretty simple really. For decades our kids have had to be bussed across the cluster in the name of diversity. If that's the cause de jour, fine. But now it seems as if proximity matters more; if so, then make it matter and stop bussing. We're not kicking and screaming. We're asking for consistency in logic.

You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.

Give it a break. RCF compromised nothing. They willingly threw their immersion kids under the bus to get what they as a neighborhood wanted. The irony is the immersion kids who tend to be more well off financially are now going to get a much better education at an under capacity school with no economic diversity, it will be like a private education. The immersion families should be elated! It worked out to their advantage.

Meanwhile CCES and NCC dug their heels in to protect the lower income Rosemary Hills neighborhood from being sectioned off and sent away to add token diversity to Westland as was the design on some of the options. If we had not inssisted on no split articulation of RHPS that is what was going to happen.

We protected families who needed it and you didn't. That's the truth.

So if you are so concerned about the low income community in that area, why do you think the RCF folks just across the road should be bussed to Westland? It's very simple,RCF at first advocated for a choice that would keep their neighborhood at the closer school (at the wish of the lower income families based on a survey) and to keep the English academy and immersion programs together. That option came off the table, clearly, so they had to weigh what was more important, keeeping the school together or doing exactly what you are saying is most important - protecting the lower income neighborhood families from being bussed to the school farther away. I think the right choice was made. RCF is not the villain here.

Because the RCF kids have been bused to Westland for years just like everyone else in the cluster. Nothing would change for them. We've been bused from ES now through middle save three years to overcrowded classrooms, asked to make a community out of piecemeal. RCF gets a Focus elementary in their neighborhood and are coddled like babies at every turn. Meanwhile, we do all the right things in the name of fairness and diversity and get slapped in the face by the BOE. Damn right I am mad at the RCF and their fit pitching.

At RHPS, we don't get neighborhood elementaries and with RHPS losing little kids daily at the beginning of every year with 6 year olds who don't understand bus numbers and can't read and end up clear on the other side of the county, no where near their neighborhood. One day there will be a tragedy when a kid finally doesn't make it home. Time for RHPS to end. This whole Ms #2 thing proves it. RCF is the one who operated on bad faith and now everyone with suffer with an unsustainable overcrowded ineqitable school.

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You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.

PP here. I'm not sure where to start. Of course no one is getting everything they want - it shouldn't be that way and that's not how the world works. And perhaps I missed it but I don't recall anyone calling opposing views stupid or unreasonable. If you could keep name calling out of it, that would be great. All I'm saying is that if the BOE is taking a philosophical stand that proximity matters, then they should stick by that philosophy and make proximity matter. Not have it matter in situation A but not situation B - which is where things are now. Proximity is good for middle school but not elementary. For elementary diversity matters but does not in middle school. Their logic is inconsistent - that's all I'm saying.

The board weighed many things unique to this sitatuon. Again you as make my the unsubstantiated leap from one boundary study result. To a whole policy on how boundaries are handled

It is an easy common sense leap to make. What is good for MS#2 and RCF is good for RHPS. The same standard should apply to all. How is that a leap at all?

It's a leap because the every boundary study is unique. There is no one size fits all approach to handle every community. The Triad is a different community than the BCC cluster as a whole.

Total BS and you know it.

I don't know any such thing. I go into every boundary study assuming anything can happen. There's no way I can predict how stakeholders will view things or the nitty gritty details of distance, demographics , history, etc.

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I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.

I would not say we are kicking and screaming b/c we did not get our way. Its pretty simple really. For decades our kids have had to be bussed across the cluster in the name of diversity. If that's the cause de jour, fine. But now it seems as if proximity matters more; if so, then make it matter and stop bussing. We're not kicking and screaming. We're asking for consistency in logic.

You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.

Give it a break. RCF compromised nothing. They willingly threw their immersion kids under the bus to get what they as a neighborhood wanted. The irony is the immersion kids who tend to be more well off financially are now going to get a much better education at an under capacity school with no economic diversity, it will be like a private education. The immersion families should be elated! It worked out to their advantage.

Meanwhile CCES and NCC dug their heels in to protect the lower income Rosemary Hills neighborhood from being sectioned off and sent away to add token diversity to Westland as was the design on some of the options. If we had not inssisted on no split articulation of RHPS that is what was going to happen.

We protected families who needed it and you didn't. That's the truth.

So if you are so concerned about the low income community in that area, why do you think the RCF folks just across the road should be bussed to Westland? It's very simple,RCF at first advocated for a choice that would keep their neighborhood at the closer school (at the wish of the lower income families based on a survey) and to keep the English academy and immersion programs together. That option came off the table, clearly, so they had to weigh what was more important, keeeping the school together or doing exactly what you are saying is most important - protecting the lower income neighborhood families from being bussed to the school farther away. I think the right choice was made. RCF is not the villain here.

Because the RCF kids have been bused to Westland for years just like everyone else in the cluster. Nothing would change for them. We've been bused from ES now through middle save three years to overcrowded classrooms, asked to make a community out of piecemeal. RCF gets a Focus elementary in their neighborhood and are coddled like babies at every turn. Meanwhile, we do all the right things in the name of fairness and diversity and get slapped in the face by the BOE. Damn right I am mad at the RCF and their fit pitching.

At RHPS, we don't get neighborhood elementaries and with RHPS losing little kids daily at the beginning of every year with 6 year olds who don't understand bus numbers and can't read and end up clear on the other side of the county, no where near their neighborhood. One day there will be a tragedy when a kid finally doesn't make it home. Time for RHPS to end. This whole Ms #2 thing proves it. RCF is the one who operated on bad faith and now everyone with suffer with an unsustainable overcrowded ineqitable school.

More whining... grow up lady... because RCF... but RCF... why did RCF...

What a sad case you are..

[Anonymous]

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I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.

I would not say we are kicking and screaming b/c we did not get our way. Its pretty simple really. For decades our kids have had to be bussed across the cluster in the name of diversity. If that's the cause de jour, fine. But now it seems as if proximity matters more; if so, then make it matter and stop bussing. We're not kicking and screaming. We're asking for consistency in logic.

You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.

Give it a break. RCF compromised nothing. They willingly threw their immersion kids under the bus to get what they as a neighborhood wanted. The irony is the immersion kids who tend to be more well off financially are now going to get a much better education at an under capacity school with no economic diversity, it will be like a private education. The immersion families should be elated! It worked out to their advantage.

Meanwhile CCES and NCC dug their heels in to protect the lower income Rosemary Hills neighborhood from being sectioned off and sent away to add token diversity to Westland as was the design on some of the options. If we had not inssisted on no split articulation of RHPS that is what was going to happen.

We protected families who needed it and you didn't. That's the truth.

So if you are so concerned about the low income community in that area, why do you think the RCF folks just across the road should be bussed to Westland? It's very simple,RCF at first advocated for a choice that would keep their neighborhood at the closer school (at the wish of the lower income families based on a survey) and to keep the English academy and immersion programs together. That option came off the table, clearly, so they had to weigh what was more important, keeeping the school together or doing exactly what you are saying is most important - protecting the lower income neighborhood families from being bussed to the school farther away. I think the right choice was made. RCF is not the villain here.

Because the RCF kids have been bused to Westland for years just like everyone else in the cluster. Nothing would change for them. We've been bused from ES now through middle save three years to overcrowded classrooms, asked to make a community out of piecemeal. RCF gets a Focus elementary in their neighborhood and are coddled like babies at every turn. Meanwhile, we do all the right things in the name of fairness and diversity and get slapped in the face by the BOE. Damn right I am mad at the RCF and their fit pitching.

At RHPS, we don't get neighborhood elementaries and with RHPS losing little kids daily at the beginning of every year with 6 year olds who don't understand bus numbers and can't read and end up clear on the other side of the county, no where near their neighborhood. One day there will be a tragedy when a kid finally doesn't make it home. Time for RHPS to end. This whole Ms #2 thing proves it. RCF is the one who operated on bad faith and now everyone with suffer with an unsustainable overcrowded ineqitable school.

Bitter lady... when you are ready to break up the Triad I will support you 110%. I want the best for you all really just not at our expense. Go pick on Somerset or Westbrook for a change.

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For those who want to redo the RHPS/CCES/NCCES boundaries to make them all neighborhood K-5 schools -- what are you planning to do to try to effect this change? It does not sound like the BOE has any plans to move in that direction.

[Anonymous]

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I call BS-- I have been reading these threads. many CC families are concerned about diversity and about lower-income populations. It is clear. And I am a CCES parent-- just not a whiny one who things we need everything to go exactly as we want or we kick and scream UNFAIR. put it to rest.

I would not say we are kicking and screaming b/c we did not get our way. Its pretty simple really. For decades our kids have had to be bussed across the cluster in the name of diversity. If that's the cause de jour, fine. But now it seems as if proximity matters more; if so, then make it matter and stop bussing. We're not kicking and screaming. We're asking for consistency in logic.

You are kicking and screaming. There was always a possibility things wouldn't go your way. You were uncompromising, while RCF was... They quickly pivoted once they couldn't get their first choice instead of whining. In your mind there was only one way this process could have gone if if it did not go that way the rest of us are either stupid or unreasonable.

Give it a break. RCF compromised nothing. They willingly threw their immersion kids under the bus to get what they as a neighborhood wanted. The irony is the immersion kids who tend to be more well off financially are now going to get a much better education at an under capacity school with no economic diversity, it will be like a private education. The immersion families should be elated! It worked out to their advantage.

Meanwhile CCES and NCC dug their heels in to protect the lower income Rosemary Hills neighborhood from being sectioned off and sent away to add token diversity to Westland as was the design on some of the options. If we had not inssisted on no split articulation of RHPS that is what was going to happen.

We protected families who needed it and you didn't. That's the truth.

So if you are so concerned about the low income community in that area, why do you think the RCF folks just across the road should be bussed to Westland? It's very simple,RCF at first advocated for a choice that would keep their neighborhood at the closer school (at the wish of the lower income families based on a survey) and to keep the English academy and immersion programs together. That option came off the table, clearly, so they had to weigh what was more important, keeeping the school together or doing exactly what you are saying is most important - protecting the lower income neighborhood families from being bussed to the school farther away. I think the right choice was made. RCF is not the villain here.

Because the RCF kids have been bused to Westland for years just like everyone else in the cluster. Nothing would change for them. We've been bused from ES now through middle save three years to overcrowded classrooms, asked to make a community out of piecemeal. RCF gets a Focus elementary in their neighborhood and are coddled like babies at every turn. Meanwhile, we do all the right things in the name of fairness and diversity and get slapped in the face by the BOE. Damn right I am mad at the RCF and their fit pitching.

At RHPS, we don't get neighborhood elementaries and with RHPS losing little kids daily at the beginning of every year with 6 year olds who don't understand bus numbers and can't read and end up clear on the other side of the county, no where near their neighborhood. One day there will be a tragedy when a kid finally doesn't make it home. Time for RHPS to end. This whole Ms #2 thing proves it. RCF is the one who operated on bad faith and now everyone with suffer with an unsustainable overcrowded ineqitable school.

yes, the bussing thing sucks for CC and NCC families, we get that. But the bitterness towards RCF is really uncalled for and mean spirited. We advocated for what is best for our community just as you did. Sounds like you are better off at a private school where they can cater more towards your childish behavior.

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Okay, please lets give this thread a rest. Decision has been made. It's done. Let's focus our energy and time to making the best of this new middle school. It's critical for our children that the adults behave. If you aren't on board, get your private school applications ready. Your child, your choice. I doubt many will do that but I understand. For those of us who plan to send our kids to BCC MS #2 and BCC HS, we'll be together for at least the next 6 years. That's a long time. I hope we can build a positive community so all our kids can feel supported. We are all about to be one family: one school so Please - give it a rest. Peace to you and your families this Thanksgiving. Signed, an NCC mom

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, please lets give this thread a rest. Decision has been made. It's done. Let's focus our energy and time to making the best of this new middle school. It's critical for our children that the adults behave. If you aren't on board, get your private school applications ready. Your child, your choice. I doubt many will do that but I understand. For those of us who plan to send our kids to BCC MS #2 and BCC HS, we'll be together for at least the next 6 years. That's a long time. I hope we can build a positive community so all our kids can feel supported. We are all about to be one family: one school so Please - give it a rest. Peace to you and your families this Thanksgiving. Signed, an NCC mom

Thank you for this, from an RCF mom!