St. Patrick’s vs NPS

[Anonymous]

Not at St Pats or NPS, but here is examples of a school not understanding boys in a very unhelpful way at a different DC private:

Due to rain and scheduling issues, recess canceled followed by silent lunch. Afternoon teacher confused why boys are misbehaving when they just came back from a break (lunch, which was silent). Gives the boys the consequence of recess canceled.

There are so many other consequences that could be given that would actually help the boys. For example, having to reflect on behavior and discuss it. Canceling all physical activity sends boys down a downward behavior spiral.

We moved from a coed that manages boys badly to a coed that manages boys well. Managing boys well helps girls, who have to deal with fewer disruptive issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are some examples of boys being “always in trouble”? What types of behavior are we talking about? If we are talking about behaviors that makes girls feel uncomfortable in the room because boys are being disruptive, I am not sure you have much of a case to complain.

Ps. Mom of a boy and a girl here.

You would not need to ask this question if you have a boy at STP. If you do, and he’s older than third grade you could have one of the very rare ones that does not need a lot of physical activity or refocusing which is developmentally typical for boys in elementary and middle school. We are talking more about typical boys .

Why not transfer to all boys, then? If your son's behavioral issues are developmentally appropriate then I'm sure admissions at Landon, STA, Heights, etc would be understanding.

This is the point. Most boys transfer out of NPS and St Pat's around 3rd or 4th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:What are some examples of boys being “always in trouble”? What types of behavior are we talking about? If we are talking about behaviors that makes girls feel uncomfortable in the room because boys are being disruptive, I am not sure you have much of a case to complain.

Ps. Mom of a boy and a girl here.

You would not need to ask this question if you have a boy at STP. If you do, and he’s older than third grade you could have one of the very rare ones that does not need a lot of physical activity or refocusing which is developmentally typical for boys in elementary and middle school. We are talking more about typical boys .

Why not transfer to all boys, then? If your son's behavioral issues are developmentally appropriate then I'm sure admissions at Landon, STA, Heights, etc would be understanding.

This is the point. Most boys transfer out of NPS and St Pat's around 3rd or 4th grade.

This is not factual

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not at St Pats or NPS, but here is examples of a school not understanding boys in a very unhelpful way at a different DC private:

Due to rain and scheduling issues, recess canceled followed by silent lunch. Afternoon teacher confused why boys are misbehaving when they just came back from a break (lunch, which was silent). Gives the boys the consequence of recess canceled.

There are so many other consequences that could be given that would actually help the boys. For example, having to reflect on behavior and discuss it. Canceling all physical activity sends boys down a downward behavior spiral.

We moved from a coed that manages boys badly to a coed that manages boys well. Managing boys well helps girls, who have to deal with fewer disruptive issues.

It's a good example, but this does not happen at NPS. I can't speak to St. P, but would doubt that as was well.

[Anonymous]

It does not happen at St. Pat's either. They have multiple recesses a day and continue to have recess through 8th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:What are some examples of boys being “always in trouble”? What types of behavior are we talking about? If we are talking about behaviors that makes girls feel uncomfortable in the room because boys are being disruptive, I am not sure you have much of a case to complain.

Ps. Mom of a boy and a girl here.

You would not need to ask this question if you have a boy at STP. If you do, and he’s older than third grade you could have one of the very rare ones that does not need a lot of physical activity or refocusing which is developmentally typical for boys in elementary and middle school. We are talking more about typical boys .

Why not transfer to all boys, then? If your son's behavioral issues are developmentally appropriate then I'm sure admissions at Landon, STA, Heights, etc would be understanding.

This is the point. Most boys transfer out of NPS and St Pat's around 3rd or 4th grade.

This is not factual

Can't speak to NPS, but St. Patrick's 8th grade class of 2021 was almost exactly 50% boys. 2022 only had a couple more girls than boys. So unless somthing drastic happened in the last two years, yes, it's absolutely false.

IIRC they lose roughly around the same amount of boys and girls to the single gender schools that start in 3rd/4th.

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Anonymous wrote:What are some examples of boys being “always in trouble”? What types of behavior are we talking about? If we are talking about behaviors that makes girls feel uncomfortable in the room because boys are being disruptive, I am not sure you have much of a case to complain.

Ps. Mom of a boy and a girl here.

You would not need to ask this question if you have a boy at STP. If you do, and he’s older than third grade you could have one of the very rare ones that does not need a lot of physical activity or refocusing which is developmentally typical for boys in elementary and middle school. We are talking more about typical boys .

Why not transfer to all boys, then? If your son's behavioral issues are developmentally appropriate then I'm sure admissions at Landon, STA, Heights, etc would be understanding.

This is the point. Most boys transfer out of NPS and St Pat's around 3rd or 4th grade.

This is not factual

Can't speak to NPS, but St. Patrick's 8th grade class of 2021 was almost exactly 50% boys. 2022 only had a couple more girls than boys. So unless somthing drastic happened in the last two years, yes, it's absolutely false.

IIRC they lose roughly around the same amount of boys and girls to the single gender schools that start in 3rd/4th.

What is the turnover? Multiple boys can leave and new boys accepted. This would leave the gender ratio still at 50% with boys still leaving for other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:What are some examples of boys being “always in trouble”? What types of behavior are we talking about? If we are talking about behaviors that makes girls feel uncomfortable in the room because boys are being disruptive, I am not sure you have much of a case to complain.

Ps. Mom of a boy and a girl here.

You would not need to ask this question if you have a boy at STP. If you do, and he’s older than third grade you could have one of the very rare ones that does not need a lot of physical activity or refocusing which is developmentally typical for boys in elementary and middle school. We are talking more about typical boys .

Why not transfer to all boys, then? If your son's behavioral issues are developmentally appropriate then I'm sure admissions at Landon, STA, Heights, etc would be understanding.

This is the point. Most boys transfer out of NPS and St Pat's around 3rd or 4th grade.

This is not factual

Can't speak to NPS, but St. Patrick's 8th grade class of 2021 was almost exactly 50% boys. 2022 only had a couple more girls than boys. So unless somthing drastic happened in the last two years, yes, it's absolutely false.

IIRC they lose roughly around the same amount of boys and girls to the single gender schools that start in 3rd/4th.

What is the turnover? Multiple boys can leave and new boys accepted. This would leave the gender ratio still at 50% with boys still leaving for other schools.

There's no turnover like that.

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Anonymous wrote:What are some examples of boys being “always in trouble”? What types of behavior are we talking about? If we are talking about behaviors that makes girls feel uncomfortable in the room because boys are being disruptive, I am not sure you have much of a case to complain.

Ps. Mom of a boy and a girl here.

You would not need to ask this question if you have a boy at STP. If you do, and he’s older than third grade you could have one of the very rare ones that does not need a lot of physical activity or refocusing which is developmentally typical for boys in elementary and middle school. We are talking more about typical boys .

Why not transfer to all boys, then? If your son's behavioral issues are developmentally appropriate then I'm sure admissions at Landon, STA, Heights, etc would be understanding.

This is the point. Most boys transfer out of NPS and St Pat's around 3rd or 4th grade.

This is not factual

Can't speak to NPS, but St. Patrick's 8th grade class of 2021 was almost exactly 50% boys. 2022 only had a couple more girls than boys. So unless somthing drastic happened in the last two years, yes, it's absolutely false.

IIRC they lose roughly around the same amount of boys and girls to the single gender schools that start in 3rd/4th.

What is the turnover? Multiple boys can leave and new boys accepted. This would leave the gender ratio still at 50% with boys still leaving for other schools.

There's no turnover like that.

+1, and also why would those boys who come in at 3rd/4th/6th to take these alleged spots then stay through 8th? If it's truly a gender issue and not certain kids with behavioral problems.

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Anonymous wrote:What are some examples of boys being “always in trouble”? What types of behavior are we talking about? If we are talking about behaviors that makes girls feel uncomfortable in the room because boys are being disruptive, I am not sure you have much of a case to complain.

Ps. Mom of a boy and a girl here.

You would not need to ask this question if you have a boy at STP. If you do, and he’s older than third grade you could have one of the very rare ones that does not need a lot of physical activity or refocusing which is developmentally typical for boys in elementary and middle school. We are talking more about typical boys .

Why not transfer to all boys, then? If your son's behavioral issues are developmentally appropriate then I'm sure admissions at Landon, STA, Heights, etc would be understanding.

This is the point. Most boys transfer out of NPS and St Pat's around 3rd or 4th grade.

This is not factual

Can't speak to NPS, but St. Patrick's 8th grade class of 2021 was almost exactly 50% boys. 2022 only had a couple more girls than boys. So unless somthing drastic happened in the last two years, yes, it's absolutely false.

IIRC they lose roughly around the same amount of boys and girls to the single gender schools that start in 3rd/4th.

What is the turnover? Multiple boys can leave and new boys accepted. This would leave the gender ratio still at 50% with boys still leaving for other schools.

It doesn’t work that way. Few new kids start after 3rd or maybe 4th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:What are some examples of boys being “always in trouble”? What types of behavior are we talking about? If we are talking about behaviors that makes girls feel uncomfortable in the room because boys are being disruptive, I am not sure you have much of a case to complain.

Ps. Mom of a boy and a girl here.

You would not need to ask this question if you have a boy at STP. If you do, and he’s older than third grade you could have one of the very rare ones that does not need a lot of physical activity or refocusing which is developmentally typical for boys in elementary and middle school. We are talking more about typical boys .

Why not transfer to all boys, then? If your son's behavioral issues are developmentally appropriate then I'm sure admissions at Landon, STA, Heights, etc would be understanding.

This is the point. Most boys transfer out of NPS and St Pat's around 3rd or 4th grade.

This is not factual

Can't speak to NPS, but St. Patrick's 8th grade class of 2021 was almost exactly 50% boys. 2022 only had a couple more girls than boys. So unless somthing drastic happened in the last two years, yes, it's absolutely false.

IIRC they lose roughly around the same amount of boys and girls to the single gender schools that start in 3rd/4th.

What is the turnover? Multiple boys can leave and new boys accepted. This would leave the gender ratio still at 50% with boys still leaving for other schools.

It doesn’t work that way. Few new kids start after 3rd or maybe 4th grade.

Well DS’s school had several students come from STP before 8th so there has to be some turnover. As I understand it more applied and were not admitted.

[Anonymous]

Did they keep Brophy?

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Anonymous wrote:What are some examples of boys being “always in trouble”? What types of behavior are we talking about? If we are talking about behaviors that makes girls feel uncomfortable in the room because boys are being disruptive, I am not sure you have much of a case to complain.

Ps. Mom of a boy and a girl here.

You would not need to ask this question if you have a boy at STP. If you do, and he’s older than third grade you could have one of the very rare ones that does not need a lot of physical activity or refocusing which is developmentally typical for boys in elementary and middle school. We are talking more about typical boys .

Why not transfer to all boys, then? If your son's behavioral issues are developmentally appropriate then I'm sure admissions at Landon, STA, Heights, etc would be understanding.

This is the point. Most boys transfer out of NPS and St Pat's around 3rd or 4th grade.

This is not factual

Can't speak to NPS, but St. Patrick's 8th grade class of 2021 was almost exactly 50% boys. 2022 only had a couple more girls than boys. So unless somthing drastic happened in the last two years, yes, it's absolutely false.

IIRC they lose roughly around the same amount of boys and girls to the single gender schools that start in 3rd/4th.

What is the turnover? Multiple boys can leave and new boys accepted. This would leave the gender ratio still at 50% with boys still leaving for other schools.

It doesn’t work that way. Few new kids start after 3rd or maybe 4th grade.

Well DS’s school had several students come from STP before 8th so there has to be some turnover. As I understand it more applied and were not admitted.

The grades at K-8s get smaller as the grades go up. Kids leave for other schools and a few are replaced around 3rd or 4th but after that the grades just get smaller. Our experience is that boys and girls leave at about the same rate due to a combination of leaving for other private schools, moving out of the area, and a few returning to public school.

[Anonymous]

Another big exodus this year from STP lower school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Upper grades are great at NPS for boys and girls. There are wonderful leadership opportunities, field trips, overnight camping, athletics. We are very glad we kept our son through 6th. NPS provided him with great opportunities where he grew to become a kind, confident young man who has adjusted great and is succeeding at his new school academically, socially, and athletically. Also, his best friends are still those friends that stayed with him through 6th.

Wish we could say the same about experience at NPS. The quality of the school rapidly declines after lower division in our family’s view. Incredibly high turnover in teachers and admin, poor replacements coming in, and there are some real disciplinary problems going on they can't seem to figure out.