Language arts new curriculumn for K-6th

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's a mix of both. Less practice. More things to cover spreading each item thin. And technology distracting us.

+1, we canta spend months in every topic and there is only so much time for all the topic listed in the standards.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher here in 6th. I can tell you many of these things are being taught but kids are not retaining information. I have kids who struggle with many math things they were previously taught in younger grades. I have been teaching and assessing grammar all year. 80 percent can identify every part of speech in a sentence and 20 percent still can’t after a full year of direct instruction and review. There were things I know was taught previously and they looked at me like I was crazy.

I do think many things are being taught as a whole but kids are just not retaining information. I do think technology is a part of it.

It's actually because of the way you are teaching it. When I was a kid, things were drilled into us over and over and over again. Now you go over something for one week, move on to the next thing, the next thing, and maybe come back to it 6 months later for another week before you move on again. I don't know who decided this was a good way to teach, but the reason kids aren't retaining things is because you're not giving them enough exposure or time for it to sink in.

I am previous teacher poster. I can assure you I revisit parts of speech daily in my word study block. I spiral back previous concepts in HW and Number talks. The kids are not retaining the way they should. I see this with previous students I tutor. They completely forget something that was taught by myself and revisited throughout the year.

Ok, but why would this be? Are we saying kids are regressing in terms of mental development? I'd find that pretty hard to believe.

If they don’t find it important or interesting, then they can tune out the teacher and/or forget it pretty quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher here in 6th. I can tell you many of these things are being taught but kids are not retaining information. I have kids who struggle with many math things they were previously taught in younger grades. I have been teaching and assessing grammar all year. 80 percent can identify every part of speech in a sentence and 20 percent still can’t after a full year of direct instruction and review. There were things I know was taught previously and they looked at me like I was crazy.

I do think many things are being taught as a whole but kids are just not retaining information. I do think technology is a part of it.

It's actually because of the way you are teaching it. When I was a kid, things were drilled into us over and over and over again. Now you go over something for one week, move on to the next thing, the next thing, and maybe come back to it 6 months later for another week before you move on again. I don't know who decided this was a good way to teach, but the reason kids aren't retaining things is because you're not giving them enough exposure or time for it to sink in.

I am previous teacher poster. I can assure you I revisit parts of speech daily in my word study block. I spiral back previous concepts in HW and Number talks. The kids are not retaining the way they should. I see this with previous students I tutor. They completely forget something that was taught by myself and revisited throughout the year.

Ok, but why would this be? Are we saying kids are regressing in terms of mental development? I'd find that pretty hard to believe.

If they don’t find it important or interesting, then they can tune out the teacher and/or forget it pretty quickly.

It becomes important when directly tested as long as families require kids learn tested material.

Though if the poster above who keeps talking about declining family involvement is right - and I assume they are - families may not require that as much anymore. In that case, I don't know what a teacher is to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's a mix of both. Less practice. More things to cover spreading each item thin. And technology distracting us.

+1, we canta spend months in every topic and there is only so much time for all the topic listed in the standards.

100% sure the vast majority of FCPS families would love fewer things covered well compared to the completely random scattershot curriculum we had now. Other than mixing up the social studies to better represent all slices of American society, Virginia could replace the current standards with the SOLs (the standards, not the tests) from the 90s and probably see a huge improvement.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher here in 6th. I can tell you many of these things are being taught but kids are not retaining information. I have kids who struggle with many math things they were previously taught in younger grades. I have been teaching and assessing grammar all year. 80 percent can identify every part of speech in a sentence and 20 percent still can’t after a full year of direct instruction and review. There were things I know was taught previously and they looked at me like I was crazy.

I do think many things are being taught as a whole but kids are just not retaining information. I do think technology is a part of it.

It's actually because of the way you are teaching it. When I was a kid, things were drilled into us over and over and over again. Now you go over something for one week, move on to the next thing, the next thing, and maybe come back to it 6 months later for another week before you move on again. I don't know who decided this was a good way to teach, but the reason kids aren't retaining things is because you're not giving them enough exposure or time for it to sink in.

I am previous teacher poster. I can assure you I revisit parts of speech daily in my word study block. I spiral back previous concepts in HW and Number talks. The kids are not retaining the way they should. I see this with previous students I tutor. They completely forget something that was taught by myself and revisited throughout the year.

Ok, but why would this be? Are we saying kids are regressing in terms of mental development? I'd find that pretty hard to believe.

If they don’t find it important or interesting, then they can tune out the teacher and/or forget it pretty quickly.

This. I have kids who ask directions after I stated and clarified reviewed several times. Education is a two way street. Students need to be paying attention too.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher here in 6th. I can tell you many of these things are being taught but kids are not retaining information. I have kids who struggle with many math things they were previously taught in younger grades. I have been teaching and assessing grammar all year. 80 percent can identify every part of speech in a sentence and 20 percent still can’t after a full year of direct instruction and review. There were things I know was taught previously and they looked at me like I was crazy.

I do think many things are being taught as a whole but kids are just not retaining information. I do think technology is a part of it.

It's actually because of the way you are teaching it. When I was a kid, things were drilled into us over and over and over again. Now you go over something for one week, move on to the next thing, the next thing, and maybe come back to it 6 months later for another week before you move on again. I don't know who decided this was a good way to teach, but the reason kids aren't retaining things is because you're not giving them enough exposure or time for it to sink in.

I am previous teacher poster. I can assure you I revisit parts of speech daily in my word study block. I spiral back previous concepts in HW and Number talks. The kids are not retaining the way they should. I see this with previous students I tutor. They completely forget something that was taught by myself and revisited throughout the year.

Ok, but why would this be? Are we saying kids are regressing in terms of mental development? I'd find that pretty hard to believe.

If they don’t find it important or interesting, then they can tune out the teacher and/or forget it pretty quickly.

This. I have kids who ask directions after I stated and clarified reviewed several times. Education is a two way street. Students need to be paying attention too.

Yup. If it is a subject they don’t enjoy it is very easy to tune out teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's a mix of both. Less practice. More things to cover spreading each item thin. And technology distracting us.

+1, we canta spend months in every topic and there is only so much time for all the topic listed in the standards.

100% sure the vast majority of FCPS families would love fewer things covered well compared to the completely random scattershot curriculum we had now. Other than mixing up the social studies to better represent all slices of American society, Virginia could replace the current standards with the SOLs (the standards, not the tests) from the 90s and probably see a huge improvement.

The state has added more and more standards rather than fewer, so until they change that, FCPS teachers are stuck.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher here in 6th. I can tell you many of these things are being taught but kids are not retaining information. I have kids who struggle with many math things they were previously taught in younger grades. I have been teaching and assessing grammar all year. 80 percent can identify every part of speech in a sentence and 20 percent still can’t after a full year of direct instruction and review. There were things I know was taught previously and they looked at me like I was crazy.

I do think many things are being taught as a whole but kids are just not retaining information. I do think technology is a part of it.

It's actually because of the way you are teaching it. When I was a kid, things were drilled into us over and over and over again. Now you go over something for one week, move on to the next thing, the next thing, and maybe come back to it 6 months later for another week before you move on again. I don't know who decided this was a good way to teach, but the reason kids aren't retaining things is because you're not giving them enough exposure or time for it to sink in.

I am previous teacher poster. I can assure you I revisit parts of speech daily in my word study block. I spiral back previous concepts in HW and Number talks. The kids are not retaining the way they should. I see this with previous students I tutor. They completely forget something that was taught by myself and revisited throughout the year.

DP - It can’t be revisited daily by you, it had to be practiced over and over until it becomes automatic. Yes that means drilling these kind of things in the younger years.

[Anonymous]

So when will the current students who are in 6th grade be taught grammar?

This is my question. I have two kids (10th and 6th) that were taught using this Lucy Calkins/Fountas and Pinnell method and I think we can all agree it was a disaster.

So, for all those kids who are now going into 7th next year and up.....is anything going to be done to help them? I'm not standing over here whining because it is what it is - but the fact is, my kids weren't taught to read properly and we know that now. My 10th grader still "guesses" words and heads to one they know that is "closest" to the one they don't, and my 6th grader, don't even get me started on spelling, grammar or the ability to write a complete sentence because they can't.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher here in 6th. I can tell you many of these things are being taught but kids are not retaining information. I have kids who struggle with many math things they were previously taught in younger grades. I have been teaching and assessing grammar all year. 80 percent can identify every part of speech in a sentence and 20 percent still can’t after a full year of direct instruction and review. There were things I know was taught previously and they looked at me like I was crazy.

I do think many things are being taught as a whole but kids are just not retaining information. I do think technology is a part of it.

It's actually because of the way you are teaching it. When I was a kid, things were drilled into us over and over and over again. Now you go over something for one week, move on to the next thing, the next thing, and maybe come back to it 6 months later for another week before you move on again. I don't know who decided this was a good way to teach, but the reason kids aren't retaining things is because you're not giving them enough exposure or time for it to sink in.

I am previous teacher poster. I can assure you I revisit parts of speech daily in my word study block. I spiral back previous concepts in HW and Number talks. The kids are not retaining the way they should. I see this with previous students I tutor. They completely forget something that was taught by myself and revisited throughout the year.

DP - It can’t be revisited daily by you, it had to be practiced over and over until it becomes automatic. Yes that means drilling these kind of things in the younger years.

Teacher poster. It is practiced daily.

[Anonymous]

The new program has a grammar time. It’s also very structured and specific minutes for each part. It’s going to be quite the shock for many teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:The new program has a grammar time. It’s also very structured and specific minutes for each part. It’s going to be quite the shock for many teachers.

Structured and specific has been proven since the 70s to have the best outcomes for students.

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So when will the current students who are in 6th grade be taught grammar?

This is my question. I have two kids (10th and 6th) that were taught using this Lucy Calkins/Fountas and Pinnell method and I think we can all agree it was a disaster.

So, for all those kids who are now going into 7th next year and up.....is anything going to be done to help them? I'm not standing over here whining because it is what it is - but the fact is, my kids weren't taught to read properly and we know that now. My 10th grader still "guesses" words and heads to one they know that is "closest" to the one they don't, and my 6th grader, don't even get me started on spelling, grammar or the ability to write a complete sentence because they can't.

That’s so concerning. I really don’t understand why schools stopped using the methods we grew up with. As a parent, what are you doing to help your kids? Not trying to sound rude-I’m truly curious. I really worry about all the kids who are receiving lackluster educations. It’s bad for our nation, and our collective future.

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So when will the current students who are in 6th grade be taught grammar?

This is my question. I have two kids (10th and 6th) that were taught using this Lucy Calkins/Fountas and Pinnell method and I think we can all agree it was a disaster.

So, for all those kids who are now going into 7th next year and up.....is anything going to be done to help them? I'm not standing over here whining because it is what it is - but the fact is, my kids weren't taught to read properly and we know that now. My 10th grader still "guesses" words and heads to one they know that is "closest" to the one they don't, and my 6th grader, don't even get me started on spelling, grammar or the ability to write a complete sentence because they can't.

That’s so concerning. I really don’t understand why schools stopped using the methods we grew up with. As a parent, what are you doing to help your kids? Not trying to sound rude-I’m truly curious. I really worry about all the kids who are receiving lackluster educations. It’s bad for our nation, and our collective future.

Be a use the Department of Education (federal and state) has changed many of the standards, guidelines, rules, etc.

Even with all that, the kids aren’t the same. I don’t remember in my classes from the 80s, there biking disrespectful and/or dangerous behavior interrupting instruction every 15-20 minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher here in 6th. I can tell you many of these things are being taught but kids are not retaining information. I have kids who struggle with many math things they were previously taught in younger grades. I have been teaching and assessing grammar all year. 80 percent can identify every part of speech in a sentence and 20 percent still can’t after a full year of direct instruction and review. There were things I know was taught previously and they looked at me like I was crazy.

I do think many things are being taught as a whole but kids are just not retaining information. I do think technology is a part of it.

It's actually because of the way you are teaching it. When I was a kid, things were drilled into us over and over and over again. Now you go over something for one week, move on to the next thing, the next thing, and maybe come back to it 6 months later for another week before you move on again. I don't know who decided this was a good way to teach, but the reason kids aren't retaining things is because you're not giving them enough exposure or time for it to sink in.

I am previous teacher poster. I can assure you I revisit parts of speech daily in my word study block. I spiral back previous concepts in HW and Number talks. The kids are not retaining the way they should. I see this with previous students I tutor. They completely forget something that was taught by myself and revisited throughout the year.

Ok, but why would this be? Are we saying kids are regressing in terms of mental development? I'd find that pretty hard to believe.

If they don’t find it important or interesting, then they can tune out the teacher and/or forget it pretty quickly.

This. I have kids who ask directions after I stated and clarified reviewed several times. Education is a two way street. Students need to be paying attention too.

Yup. If it is a subject they don’t enjoy it is very easy to tune out teacher.

I’d love for these complaining parents to teach for a week so they could actually see what happens in the classroom.