Trump to gut ACA via executive order

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like he is defying the law. And he will unilaterally own the fallout, although it seems certain to face legal challenges.

For a party that just went on about DACA needing to be handled by the law, this must surely be an affront to you.

He doesn't care. He's turning healthcare into Trump University. It will be one big scam that leaves people with a meaningless piece of paper-- in this case, instead of a crap degree, it will be meaningless insurance not worth the paper it's written on. This is how he does things. He's built hotels but I credit his father for that success. He hardly cares about building any quality products. This man isn't and will never be a great businessman or inventor. He's no Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, Madam CJ Walker or Madame Curie... most would compare him to PT Barnum but at least Barnum knew how to put on a better show. I know two-year-olds with more empathy than this man; he could care less if anyone has good healthcare.

It is sad. People are going to buy "insurance" and when they get sick they will realize they aren't covered for anything.

You just described how a lot of people feel about Obamacare.

Obamacare has problems but was a start in the right direction. I'd rather help someone pay for their insurance than pay for one more night at Mar-a-Lago or Bedminster because Camp David isn't good enough for Our Dear Leader. I'd take subsidizing the poor over subsidizing those two tacky properties and their tacky owner any day.

ACA was Obama's key legislative victory in his 8 years in office. It's what he chose to put all his weight and momentum behind after rising to the presidency. It's basically his legacy.

And even his supporters now admit that it's merely a "start in the right direction."

Judging by your emoji, you are simply amusing yourself with this comment...and not trying to make any particular point, amiright?

I will spell it out for you: Obama failed. He did a bad job and squandered an unprecedented opportunity. As a result, millions of Americans suffer and will continue to suffer.

Is my point clearer now?

And millions of people suffering warrants a ??? There is something deeply wrong with you.

Thank god you're here, PP! What would the rest of us do without the emoji police weighing in?!

Feel compassion for the millions of working Americans who just lost health insurance, maybe?

I hope Obama feels compassion for them, since it's largely his fault.

Yes, it's all Obama's fault. He built a health care plan that resulted in 20 million Americans becoming insured. And it's his fault that Trump is causing them to lose that insurance with his executive order because elected politicians chose not to act until they had a better plan?

Obama built a health care system that was fundamentally flawed and destined to fail. It was entirely foreseeable. Dems need to take responsibility for their own failure.

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You’re twisting the truth, but it doesn’t really matter. In the eyes of the public, the destruction of the healthcare system will be all on the Republicans and Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re twisting the truth, but it doesn’t really matter. In the eyes of the public, the destruction of the healthcare system will be all on the Republicans and Trump.

If I were you, that's what I would be hoping too.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of people who voted for Trump and against their own financial interest (e.g., the working poor) won't care. They may or may not understand health insurance on a mirco or macro level--but that's not the point. They think that Trump is shaking things up, and for them, that is all that matters. This is not about rational economic thinking or any sense of distributive economic justice for these voters.

Insurance companies ought to pull out of red states until this is fixed.

Maybe insurance companies should pull out of the urban areas, where lots of poor Democrats are located. Interesting how you protect the rights to Democrats to get free shit paid for by working-class people, but are only to happy to see working-class people get the shaft.

You better hope Trump doesn't challenge you to an IQ test.

When liberals have no intelligent response, they resort to an insult.

You realize you just described Trump, don't you?

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

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Actually, in the liberals' arrogance and oft-quoted remarks about Democrat demographics, they were SURE they would win the next election, so when the monstrosity failed - as they knew it would - they figured Hillary (the heir apparent) would race in with a rescue. That would be single-payer, which the country, in arms over the failed Ocare, would then be willing to accept. It's classic Alinsky.

This is the crux of it! The assumption was that the next president would be a Democrat who would rescue Medicare. It obviously did not work out that way.

The other assumption was that once ACA was in effect for a few years, it would be difficult to rollback because it is always difficult to take away a benefit - that assumption was correct. It is why the Republicans who passed numerous bills to repeal ACA through the years confident that Obama would veto the bills - so it was just a pointless exercise to appeal to the base. Now that they can actually repeal ACA without fear of a veto they don't want to do so, not because they think ACA was well structured - it was not - but because they are afraid of the consequences in terms of the impact on those who are enjoying the benefit in their states.

Then why aren't they working with Dems to make it better[i]? To fix the issues? To make it a stronger benefit for the American people?

ACA is fundamentally flawed. It is structurally unsound and like a house that was built on a shaky foundation the only thing to do is to raze it and devise something that is structurally sound. It can be done though it will take compromise on both sides.

Trump is absolutely correct in not trying to bail out something that is an absolute disaster. I voted for Obama and I think he was so concerned with passing ACA in some form that he viewed deficiencies as something that would be fixed later.

And yet, the majority of Americans don't want Trump to get rid of ACA without a sound replacement.

No surprise - people don't like giving up a benefit or seeing a reduction in that benefit.

No, they don't, especially when it comes to their health. Most people can't afford to get sick without any insurance. Medical costs here are ridiculous. Trump and the rest of Congress don't EVER have to worry about health care costs.

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Excuse me, but weren't the cost-sharing reduction payments already ruled ILLEGAL in a court proceeding?

Some of the articles I'm reading, from the liberal media, are deliberately misleading their readers by saying Trump is killing the subsidies. The subsidies - that to help pay insurance premiums - are continuing. He is just ending the part of the scheme that is illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:Excuse me, but weren't the cost-sharing reduction payments already ruled ILLEGAL in a court proceeding?

Some of the articles I'm reading, from the liberal media, are deliberately misleading their readers by saying Trump is killing the subsidies. The subsidies - that to help pay insurance premiums - are continuing. He is just ending the part of the scheme that is illegal.

"A federal court agreed that they were illegal, and the case has been pending before the D.C. Circuit."

Looks like one court said it was illegal and the case was moved to a different court where the case was pending...until now.

This is in the WaPo Article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-tells-court-it-is-immediately-stopping-aca-cost-sharing-subsidies/2017/10/13/4c404234-b01d-11e7-be94-fabb0f1e9ffb_story.html?utm_term=.7d9e1d50341e

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

Was your plan before Obamacare equivalent to your plan after? To be clear, are you saying that you are now expecting to pay 2k more for exactly the same coverage that you had prior to the ACA?

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Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

and yet it works fine in canada

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Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

and yet it works fine in canada

And in almost every other industrialized country in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

and yet it works fine in canada

DP. What Canada has is nothing like Obamacare. At all.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

and yet it works fine in canada

DP. What Canada has is nothing like Obamacare. At all.

DP.. and what we had prior to ACA sucked; what we will have after Trump signs the EO will suck.

Everywhere else where there is government run healthcare works better than ours, pre ACA, ACA, and post ACA. Why? Because they regulate the costs.