Disney DAS

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

Well, according to Disney there was abuse of the system so they had to update it because the demand exploded. It doesn't really matter if you thought people were patiently standing next to the queue to wait out their return time. They certainly don't have to so it seems obvious that people didn't.

"The shift comes as Disney acknowledges that some customers have misused the program; the company has already taken some steps to crack down on abuse."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/11/disney-disability-access-service-das/

There are, in fact, people who do wait at the ride outside the line for their return time. Please stop with your ignorance.

Most are using DAS to “wait” for longer line rides while riding short line rides. Ie: Use DAS to wait for Mine Train and while that is going on, you can go do teacups, Mermaid, Philharmagic, etc.

Don’t pee on my face and tell me it’s raining.

You seem to have invested a lot of time and emotion, in the idea that people are getting away with something with das. You might find yourself happier and having a better vacation experience, if you focus on you and your family and how you can have the happiest day possible. And let the other people, who need a Das, worry about their families.

NP - I have been to Disney World a lot, and frankly your response above is exactly why the experience has degraded. Your happy day tactics, do in fact impact my ability to have a happy day. Anyone who has been to the parks at all has lived through huge families rolling grandma up in her wheelchair (or worse her scooter), so that everyone can board, or groups of teenagers with one of them in a wheelchair with a "boot" and then you see a different person from the same group with the "boot" later, or yes, even kids on the spectrum and their families. As many have mentioned above, no one's kids wants to wait in lines, and if yours is experiencing distress, it is because you have chosen an inappropriate vacation.

Dying kids in a wheelchair getting their "Make a Wish" trip - yes, come on down to the front of the line. Anybody else should understand what is involved in a trip to Disney and either adjust or choose a different trip.

Was your last trip more than ten years ago? Because Disney no longer grants DAS for the scenarios you describe.

What do you mean 10 years ago. The changes take effect May 20 this year.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

It's very much like a VIP pass to be able to put yourself on a waitlist for a ride and then get to do other fun things while you wait, like go to a show, shop, watch a parade or go eat lunch. You can get on the standby list for Tower of Terror and then go see the Beauty and the Beast show while you wait. Or tap in for Micky and Minnie RR and go see the Indiana Jones stunt show or watch the parade. Then get on the list for Rise of the Resistance while you do Star Wars land. It's a huge advantage.

If my kid with autism could actually do all this, I wouldn't need a Das, now would i? Like what planet are you posting from? It doesn't seem to be a planet that has any special needs people on it.

NP. It's not just about you. It's about the other people in your party who are also enjoying DAS privileges. The non disabled siblings or the other parent are riding double.

If you are spending your time resenting the parents and siblings of disabled children for this perceived advantage, you must have a miserable life.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

Well, according to Disney there was abuse of the system so they had to update it because the demand exploded. It doesn't really matter if you thought people were patiently standing next to the queue to wait out their return time. They certainly don't have to so it seems obvious that people didn't.

"The shift comes as Disney acknowledges that some customers have misused the program; the company has already taken some steps to crack down on abuse."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/11/disney-disability-access-service-das/

There are, in fact, people who do wait at the ride outside the line for their return time. Please stop with your ignorance.

Most are using DAS to “wait” for longer line rides while riding short line rides. Ie: Use DAS to wait for Mine Train and while that is going on, you can go do teacups, Mermaid, Philharmagic, etc.

Don’t pee on my face and tell me it’s raining.

You seem to have invested a lot of time and emotion, in the idea that people are getting away with something with das. You might find yourself happier and having a better vacation experience, if you focus on you and your family and how you can have the happiest day possible. And let the other people, who need a Das, worry about their families.

NP - I have been to Disney World a lot, and frankly your response above is exactly why the experience has degraded. Your happy day tactics, do in fact impact my ability to have a happy day. Anyone who has been to the parks at all has lived through huge families rolling grandma up in her wheelchair (or worse her scooter), so that everyone can board, or groups of teenagers with one of them in a wheelchair with a "boot" and then you see a different person from the same group with the "boot" later, or yes, even kids on the spectrum and their families. As many have mentioned above, no one's kids wants to wait in lines, and if yours is experiencing distress, it is because you have chosen an inappropriate vacation.

Dying kids in a wheelchair getting their "Make a Wish" trip - yes, come on down to the front of the line. Anybody else should understand what is involved in a trip to Disney and either adjust or choose a different trip.

Was your last trip more than ten years ago? Because Disney no longer grants DAS for the scenarios you describe.

What do you mean 10 years ago. The changes take effect May 20 this year.

People using scooters and wheelchairs are not granted DAS under the existing system or the new one (unless they have some other qualifying condition). That changed years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

Well, according to Disney there was abuse of the system so they had to update it because the demand exploded. It doesn't really matter if you thought people were patiently standing next to the queue to wait out their return time. They certainly don't have to so it seems obvious that people didn't.

"The shift comes as Disney acknowledges that some customers have misused the program; the company has already taken some steps to crack down on abuse."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/11/disney-disability-access-service-das/

There are, in fact, people who do wait at the ride outside the line for their return time. Please stop with your ignorance.

Most are using DAS to “wait” for longer line rides while riding short line rides. Ie: Use DAS to wait for Mine Train and while that is going on, you can go do teacups, Mermaid, Philharmagic, etc.

Don’t pee on my face and tell me it’s raining.

You seem to have invested a lot of time and emotion, in the idea that people are getting away with something with das. You might find yourself happier and having a better vacation experience, if you focus on you and your family and how you can have the happiest day possible. And let the other people, who need a Das, worry about their families.

NP - I have been to Disney World a lot, and frankly your response above is exactly why the experience has degraded. Your happy day tactics, do in fact impact my ability to have a happy day. Anyone who has been to the parks at all has lived through huge families rolling grandma up in her wheelchair (or worse her scooter), so that everyone can board, or groups of teenagers with one of them in a wheelchair with a "boot" and then you see a different person from the same group with the "boot" later, or yes, even kids on the spectrum and their families. As many have mentioned above, no one's kids wants to wait in lines, and if yours is experiencing distress, it is because you have chosen an inappropriate vacation.

Dying kids in a wheelchair getting their "Make a Wish" trip - yes, come on down to the front of the line. Anybody else should understand what is involved in a trip to Disney and either adjust or choose a different trip.

Was your last trip more than ten years ago? Because Disney no longer grants DAS for the scenarios you describe.

What do you mean 10 years ago. The changes take effect May 20 this year.

People using scooters and wheelchairs are not granted DAS under the existing system or the new one (unless they have some other qualifying condition). That changed years ago.

+1. Mobility issues have been excluded from DAS for years and years. People are told to use wheelchairs, scooters, walkers, etc. Lines are wheel chair accessible and the few that are not give individual return times without DAS.

Also, point of clarity, VIP tours don't wait in the LL. They go (almost) straight to the front. They are able to cut in front of LL users.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

Well, according to Disney there was abuse of the system so they had to update it because the demand exploded. It doesn't really matter if you thought people were patiently standing next to the queue to wait out their return time. They certainly don't have to so it seems obvious that people didn't.

"The shift comes as Disney acknowledges that some customers have misused the program; the company has already taken some steps to crack down on abuse."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/11/disney-disability-access-service-das/

There are, in fact, people who do wait at the ride outside the line for their return time. Please stop with your ignorance.

Most are using DAS to “wait” for longer line rides while riding short line rides. Ie: Use DAS to wait for Mine Train and while that is going on, you can go do teacups, Mermaid, Philharmagic, etc.

Don’t pee on my face and tell me it’s raining.

You seem to have invested a lot of time and emotion, in the idea that people are getting away with something with das. You might find yourself happier and having a better vacation experience, if you focus on you and your family and how you can have the happiest day possible. And let the other people, who need a Das, worry about their families.

NP - I have been to Disney World a lot, and frankly your response above is exactly why the experience has degraded. Your happy day tactics, do in fact impact my ability to have a happy day. Anyone who has been to the parks at all has lived through huge families rolling grandma up in her wheelchair (or worse her scooter), so that everyone can board, or groups of teenagers with one of them in a wheelchair with a "boot" and then you see a different person from the same group with the "boot" later, or yes, even kids on the spectrum and their families. As many have mentioned above, no one's kids wants to wait in lines, and if yours is experiencing distress, it is because you have chosen an inappropriate vacation.

Dying kids in a wheelchair getting their "Make a Wish" trip - yes, come on down to the front of the line. Anybody else should understand what is involved in a trip to Disney and either adjust or choose a different trip.

Was your last trip more than ten years ago? Because Disney no longer grants DAS for the scenarios you describe.

What do you mean 10 years ago. The changes take effect May 20 this year.

People using scooters and wheelchairs are not granted DAS under the existing system or the new one (unless they have some other qualifying condition). That changed years ago.

+1. Mobility issues have been excluded from DAS for years and years. People are told to use wheelchairs, scooters, walkers, etc. Lines are wheel chair accessible and the few that are not give individual return times without DAS.

Also, point of clarity, VIP tours don't wait in the LL. They go (almost) straight to the front. They are able to cut in front of LL users.

For the price of VIP tours, I am fine with that. There are not so many VIP tours that I feel like they’re causing major line issues. The problem is with the excessive DAS usage - where groups of 6, or sometimes 12 (if they claim 2 people have disabilities) making all the line waits go up way more.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

Well, according to Disney there was abuse of the system so they had to update it because the demand exploded. It doesn't really matter if you thought people were patiently standing next to the queue to wait out their return time. They certainly don't have to so it seems obvious that people didn't.

"The shift comes as Disney acknowledges that some customers have misused the program; the company has already taken some steps to crack down on abuse."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/11/disney-disability-access-service-das/

There are, in fact, people who do wait at the ride outside the line for their return time. Please stop with your ignorance.

Most are using DAS to “wait” for longer line rides while riding short line rides. Ie: Use DAS to wait for Mine Train and while that is going on, you can go do teacups, Mermaid, Philharmagic, etc.

Don’t pee on my face and tell me it’s raining.

You seem to have invested a lot of time and emotion, in the idea that people are getting away with something with das. You might find yourself happier and having a better vacation experience, if you focus on you and your family and how you can have the happiest day possible. And let the other people, who need a Das, worry about their families.

NP - I have been to Disney World a lot, and frankly your response above is exactly why the experience has degraded. Your happy day tactics, do in fact impact my ability to have a happy day. Anyone who has been to the parks at all has lived through huge families rolling grandma up in her wheelchair (or worse her scooter), so that everyone can board, or groups of teenagers with one of them in a wheelchair with a "boot" and then you see a different person from the same group with the "boot" later, or yes, even kids on the spectrum and their families. As many have mentioned above, no one's kids wants to wait in lines, and if yours is experiencing distress, it is because you have chosen an inappropriate vacation.

Dying kids in a wheelchair getting their "Make a Wish" trip - yes, come on down to the front of the line. Anybody else should understand what is involved in a trip to Disney and either adjust or choose a different trip.

Was your last trip more than ten years ago? Because Disney no longer grants DAS for the scenarios you describe.

What do you mean 10 years ago. The changes take effect May 20 this year.

People using scooters and wheelchairs are not granted DAS under the existing system or the new one (unless they have some other qualifying condition). That changed years ago.

Not for mobility alone, but there were other issues added on top of the mobility so that people could qualify under the vague rules. There were tip boards dedicated to teaching people the right language to use to get DAS and qualify. So it would not be unusual to see people in wheelchairs or boots who had hidden issues that previously qualified and might not now.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

Well, according to Disney there was abuse of the system so they had to update it because the demand exploded. It doesn't really matter if you thought people were patiently standing next to the queue to wait out their return time. They certainly don't have to so it seems obvious that people didn't.

"The shift comes as Disney acknowledges that some customers have misused the program; the company has already taken some steps to crack down on abuse."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/11/disney-disability-access-service-das/

There are, in fact, people who do wait at the ride outside the line for their return time. Please stop with your ignorance.

Most are using DAS to “wait” for longer line rides while riding short line rides. Ie: Use DAS to wait for Mine Train and while that is going on, you can go do teacups, Mermaid, Philharmagic, etc.

Don’t pee on my face and tell me it’s raining.

You seem to have invested a lot of time and emotion, in the idea that people are getting away with something with das. You might find yourself happier and having a better vacation experience, if you focus on you and your family and how you can have the happiest day possible. And let the other people, who need a Das, worry about their families.

NP - I have been to Disney World a lot, and frankly your response above is exactly why the experience has degraded. Your happy day tactics, do in fact impact my ability to have a happy day. Anyone who has been to the parks at all has lived through huge families rolling grandma up in her wheelchair (or worse her scooter), so that everyone can board, or groups of teenagers with one of them in a wheelchair with a "boot" and then you see a different person from the same group with the "boot" later, or yes, even kids on the spectrum and their families. As many have mentioned above, no one's kids wants to wait in lines, and if yours is experiencing distress, it is because you have chosen an inappropriate vacation.

Dying kids in a wheelchair getting their "Make a Wish" trip - yes, come on down to the front of the line. Anybody else should understand what is involved in a trip to Disney and either adjust or choose a different trip.

Was your last trip more than ten years ago? Because Disney no longer grants DAS for the scenarios you describe.

What do you mean 10 years ago. The changes take effect May 20 this year.

People using scooters and wheelchairs are not granted DAS under the existing system or the new one (unless they have some other qualifying condition). That changed years ago.

Not for mobility alone, but there were other issues added on top of the mobility so that people could qualify under the vague rules. There were tip boards dedicated to teaching people the right language to use to get DAS and qualify. So it would not be unusual to see people in wheelchairs or boots who had hidden issues that previously qualified and might not now.

So they got DAS for some other reason, mobility issues notwithstanding.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

Well, according to Disney there was abuse of the system so they had to update it because the demand exploded. It doesn't really matter if you thought people were patiently standing next to the queue to wait out their return time. They certainly don't have to so it seems obvious that people didn't.

"The shift comes as Disney acknowledges that some customers have misused the program; the company has already taken some steps to crack down on abuse."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/11/disney-disability-access-service-das/

There are, in fact, people who do wait at the ride outside the line for their return time. Please stop with your ignorance.

Most are using DAS to “wait” for longer line rides while riding short line rides. Ie: Use DAS to wait for Mine Train and while that is going on, you can go do teacups, Mermaid, Philharmagic, etc.

Don’t pee on my face and tell me it’s raining.

You seem to have invested a lot of time and emotion, in the idea that people are getting away with something with das. You might find yourself happier and having a better vacation experience, if you focus on you and your family and how you can have the happiest day possible. And let the other people, who need a Das, worry about their families.

NP - I have been to Disney World a lot, and frankly your response above is exactly why the experience has degraded. Your happy day tactics, do in fact impact my ability to have a happy day. Anyone who has been to the parks at all has lived through huge families rolling grandma up in her wheelchair (or worse her scooter), so that everyone can board, or groups of teenagers with one of them in a wheelchair with a "boot" and then you see a different person from the same group with the "boot" later, or yes, even kids on the spectrum and their families. As many have mentioned above, no one's kids wants to wait in lines, and if yours is experiencing distress, it is because you have chosen an inappropriate vacation.

Dying kids in a wheelchair getting their "Make a Wish" trip - yes, come on down to the front of the line. Anybody else should understand what is involved in a trip to Disney and either adjust or choose a different trip.

Was your last trip more than ten years ago? Because Disney no longer grants DAS for the scenarios you describe.

What do you mean 10 years ago. The changes take effect May 20 this year.

People using scooters and wheelchairs are not granted DAS under the existing system or the new one (unless they have some other qualifying condition). That changed years ago.

Not for mobility alone, but there were other issues added on top of the mobility so that people could qualify under the vague rules. There were tip boards dedicated to teaching people the right language to use to get DAS and qualify. So it would not be unusual to see people in wheelchairs or boots who had hidden issues that previously qualified and might not now.

So they got DAS for some other reason, mobility issues notwithstanding.

Yes but the reason could be that “they don’t do crowds,” which frankly makes Disney an unsuitable place.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

Well, according to Disney there was abuse of the system so they had to update it because the demand exploded. It doesn't really matter if you thought people were patiently standing next to the queue to wait out their return time. They certainly don't have to so it seems obvious that people didn't.

"The shift comes as Disney acknowledges that some customers have misused the program; the company has already taken some steps to crack down on abuse."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/11/disney-disability-access-service-das/

There are, in fact, people who do wait at the ride outside the line for their return time. Please stop with your ignorance.

Most are using DAS to “wait” for longer line rides while riding short line rides. Ie: Use DAS to wait for Mine Train and while that is going on, you can go do teacups, Mermaid, Philharmagic, etc.

Don’t pee on my face and tell me it’s raining.

You seem to have invested a lot of time and emotion, in the idea that people are getting away with something with das. You might find yourself happier and having a better vacation experience, if you focus on you and your family and how you can have the happiest day possible. And let the other people, who need a Das, worry about their families.

NP - I have been to Disney World a lot, and frankly your response above is exactly why the experience has degraded. Your happy day tactics, do in fact impact my ability to have a happy day. Anyone who has been to the parks at all has lived through huge families rolling grandma up in her wheelchair (or worse her scooter), so that everyone can board, or groups of teenagers with one of them in a wheelchair with a "boot" and then you see a different person from the same group with the "boot" later, or yes, even kids on the spectrum and their families. As many have mentioned above, no one's kids wants to wait in lines, and if yours is experiencing distress, it is because you have chosen an inappropriate vacation.

Dying kids in a wheelchair getting their "Make a Wish" trip - yes, come on down to the front of the line. Anybody else should understand what is involved in a trip to Disney and either adjust or choose a different trip.

Was your last trip more than ten years ago? Because Disney no longer grants DAS for the scenarios you describe.

What do you mean 10 years ago. The changes take effect May 20 this year.

People using scooters and wheelchairs are not granted DAS under the existing system or the new one (unless they have some other qualifying condition). That changed years ago.

Not for mobility alone, but there were other issues added on top of the mobility so that people could qualify under the vague rules. There were tip boards dedicated to teaching people the right language to use to get DAS and qualify. So it would not be unusual to see people in wheelchairs or boots who had hidden issues that previously qualified and might not now.

So they got DAS for some other reason, mobility issues notwithstanding.

Right and those "other reasons" will no longer qualify in many cases. It's not like you needed a doctor's note or diagnosis to qualify you just needed the right words.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

Well, according to Disney there was abuse of the system so they had to update it because the demand exploded. It doesn't really matter if you thought people were patiently standing next to the queue to wait out their return time. They certainly don't have to so it seems obvious that people didn't.

"The shift comes as Disney acknowledges that some customers have misused the program; the company has already taken some steps to crack down on abuse."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/11/disney-disability-access-service-das/

There are, in fact, people who do wait at the ride outside the line for their return time. Please stop with your ignorance.

Most are using DAS to “wait” for longer line rides while riding short line rides. Ie: Use DAS to wait for Mine Train and while that is going on, you can go do teacups, Mermaid, Philharmagic, etc.

Don’t pee on my face and tell me it’s raining.

You seem to have invested a lot of time and emotion, in the idea that people are getting away with something with das. You might find yourself happier and having a better vacation experience, if you focus on you and your family and how you can have the happiest day possible. And let the other people, who need a Das, worry about their families.

NP - I have been to Disney World a lot, and frankly your response above is exactly why the experience has degraded. Your happy day tactics, do in fact impact my ability to have a happy day. Anyone who has been to the parks at all has lived through huge families rolling grandma up in her wheelchair (or worse her scooter), so that everyone can board, or groups of teenagers with one of them in a wheelchair with a "boot" and then you see a different person from the same group with the "boot" later, or yes, even kids on the spectrum and their families. As many have mentioned above, no one's kids wants to wait in lines, and if yours is experiencing distress, it is because you have chosen an inappropriate vacation.

Dying kids in a wheelchair getting their "Make a Wish" trip - yes, come on down to the front of the line. Anybody else should understand what is involved in a trip to Disney and either adjust or choose a different trip.

Was your last trip more than ten years ago? Because Disney no longer grants DAS for the scenarios you describe.

What do you mean 10 years ago. The changes take effect May 20 this year.

People using scooters and wheelchairs are not granted DAS under the existing system or the new one (unless they have some other qualifying condition). That changed years ago.

Not for mobility alone, but there were other issues added on top of the mobility so that people could qualify under the vague rules. There were tip boards dedicated to teaching people the right language to use to get DAS and qualify. So it would not be unusual to see people in wheelchairs or boots who had hidden issues that previously qualified and might not now.

Yes, but that’s not what the PP was suggesting. I was glad when they changed the old rules (around
2013) so that anyone on an EVC or wheelchair and their entire party were granted priority. It made no sense that a person seated (with no other issues) needed to skip the line.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

But you're not standing there adjacent to the line. You can go on another ride, eat, shop, etc.

Or you can stand adjacent to the line. You're still waiting the full time.

Yes, I'm sure everyone does just that.

Well, unless you polled every family that has traveled there with a person with special needs, then you don't actually know.

There is a lot of ignorance about the das use in this thread.

Well, according to Disney there was abuse of the system so they had to update it because the demand exploded. It doesn't really matter if you thought people were patiently standing next to the queue to wait out their return time. They certainly don't have to so it seems obvious that people didn't.

"The shift comes as Disney acknowledges that some customers have misused the program; the company has already taken some steps to crack down on abuse."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/11/disney-disability-access-service-das/

There are, in fact, people who do wait at the ride outside the line for their return time. Please stop with your ignorance.

Most are using DAS to “wait” for longer line rides while riding short line rides. Ie: Use DAS to wait for Mine Train and while that is going on, you can go do teacups, Mermaid, Philharmagic, etc.

Don’t pee on my face and tell me it’s raining.

You seem to have invested a lot of time and emotion, in the idea that people are getting away with something with das. You might find yourself happier and having a better vacation experience, if you focus on you and your family and how you can have the happiest day possible. And let the other people, who need a Das, worry about their families.

NP - I have been to Disney World a lot, and frankly your response above is exactly why the experience has degraded. Your happy day tactics, do in fact impact my ability to have a happy day. Anyone who has been to the parks at all has lived through huge families rolling grandma up in her wheelchair (or worse her scooter), so that everyone can board, or groups of teenagers with one of them in a wheelchair with a "boot" and then you see a different person from the same group with the "boot" later, or yes, even kids on the spectrum and their families. As many have mentioned above, no one's kids wants to wait in lines, and if yours is experiencing distress, it is because you have chosen an inappropriate vacation.

Dying kids in a wheelchair getting their "Make a Wish" trip - yes, come on down to the front of the line. Anybody else should understand what is involved in a trip to Disney and either adjust or choose a different trip.

Was your last trip more than ten years ago? Because Disney no longer grants DAS for the scenarios you describe.

What do you mean 10 years ago. The changes take effect May 20 this year.

People using scooters and wheelchairs are not granted DAS under the existing system or the new one (unless they have some other qualifying condition). That changed years ago.

Not for mobility alone, but there were other issues added on top of the mobility so that people could qualify under the vague rules. There were tip boards dedicated to teaching people the right language to use to get DAS and qualify. So it would not be unusual to see people in wheelchairs or boots who had hidden issues that previously qualified and might not now.

Yes, but that’s not what the PP was suggesting. I was glad when they changed the old rules (around
2013) so that anyone on an EVC or wheelchair and their entire party were granted priority. It made no sense that a person seated (with no other issues) needed to skip the line.

Agree. But simply saying you "can't do lines" I don't think will get you DAS any long come 5/20. Even prior to this I think you had to say a little more than that - you had to essentially describe autism or severe anxiety/adhd. It didn't need to be true, but you had to talk the talk. Not that hard to do. Hopefully it will be under more scrutiny now given that Disney is now specifically saying its for "developmental" disabilities.

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It's very much like a VIP pass to be able to put yourself on a waitlist for a ride and then get to do other fun things while you wait, like go to a show, shop, watch a parade or go eat lunch. You can get on the standby list for Tower of Terror and then go see the Beauty and the Beast show while you wait. Or tap in for Micky and Minnie RR and go see the Indiana Jones stunt show or watch the parade. Then get on the list for Rise of the Resistance while you do Star Wars land. It's a huge advantage.

If my kid with autism could actually do all this, I wouldn't need a Das, now would i? Like what planet are you posting from? It doesn't seem to be a planet that has any special needs people on it.

NP. It's not just about you. It's about the other people in your party who are also enjoying DAS privileges. The non disabled siblings or the other parent are riding double.

Yes, I'm sure that my kids siblings and other parent find going to Disney with their autistic sibling to be one big party!

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

It's very much like a VIP pass to be able to put yourself on a waitlist for a ride and then get to do other fun things while you wait, like go to a show, shop, watch a parade or go eat lunch. You can get on the standby list for Tower of Terror and then go see the Beauty and the Beast show while you wait. Or tap in for Micky and Minnie RR and go see the Indiana Jones stunt show or watch the parade. Then get on the list for Rise of the Resistance while you do Star Wars land. It's a huge advantage.

If my kid with autism could actually do all this, I wouldn't need a Das, now would i? Like what planet are you posting from? It doesn't seem to be a planet that has any special needs people on it.

This is exactly how the program is being used.

If your kid can't do all these things, then they wouldn't be impacted by a cap or other limits placed on the program that would stop it from being used by some as an advantage over Genie+.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

It's very much like a VIP pass to be able to put yourself on a waitlist for a ride and then get to do other fun things while you wait, like go to a show, shop, watch a parade or go eat lunch. You can get on the standby list for Tower of Terror and then go see the Beauty and the Beast show while you wait. Or tap in for Micky and Minnie RR and go see the Indiana Jones stunt show or watch the parade. Then get on the list for Rise of the Resistance while you do Star Wars land. It's a huge advantage.

If my kid with autism could actually do all this, I wouldn't need a Das, now would i? Like what planet are you posting from? It doesn't seem to be a planet that has any special needs people on it.

This is exactly how the program is being used.

If your kid can't do all these things, then they wouldn't be impacted by a cap or other limits placed on the program that would stop it from being used by some as an advantage over Genie+.

Agreed. The people with actual real limitations, using DAS to get on 3-4 things a day are NOT the problem. Its everyone else who is still using DAS to ride more than a "typical" Disney visitor. That does affect everyone negatively.

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Anonymous wrote:With DAS, you are still waiting the full standby time to get back into the line. It's not anything like a VIP pass.

It's very much like a VIP pass to be able to put yourself on a waitlist for a ride and then get to do other fun things while you wait, like go to a show, shop, watch a parade or go eat lunch. You can get on the standby list for Tower of Terror and then go see the Beauty and the Beast show while you wait. Or tap in for Micky and Minnie RR and go see the Indiana Jones stunt show or watch the parade. Then get on the list for Rise of the Resistance while you do Star Wars land. It's a huge advantage.

If my kid with autism could actually do all this, I wouldn't need a Das, now would i? Like what planet are you posting from? It doesn't seem to be a planet that has any special needs people on it.

This is exactly how the program is being used.

If your kid can't do all these things, then they wouldn't be impacted by a cap or other limits placed on the program that would stop it from being used by some as an advantage over Genie+.

Agreed. The people with actual real limitations, using DAS to get on 3-4 things a day are NOT the problem. Its everyone else who is still using DAS to ride more than a "typical" Disney visitor. That does affect everyone negatively.

Agree. This is why I think the answer is to just give them two pre-scheduled rides a day. Then if they want they can get Genie+ on top of that.