Woodward Auditorium Construction Advocacy Ahead of Monday County Council Meeting

[Anonymous]

The following DCC elementary schools are all adjacent to schools in either the WJ or BCC clusters:
Wheaton Woods
Sargent Shriver
Viers Mill
Rock View
Oakland Terrace
Flora Singer
Woodlin

Some of the above will need to shift to the west. Rock View surrounds Einstein itself and encompasses much of its walk zone, so it would seem to be staying put.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

Citation needed.

Yes, it's misleading to say that since Woodward isn't even in the DCC or near it. It would make almost no sense to bus DCC kids crosscounty. There are much easier solutions.

Great.

Take your time machine back a dozen years or so and convince MCPS, the BOE, the County Council and the W clusters that additional capacity for DCC in excess of any possible single renovation to Northwood or Einstein has to come before or at the very same time as building a new school (that became the reopened Woodward) addressing WJ overcrowding.

Or take it two decades farther back and convince them not to convert/lease out all the local school facilities that they closed so that there would be more options.

Or get on your horse to get an adequate new facility or expansion in the DCC area right quick so that it's presence can be figured in to the pending boundary study.

Oh, and ve willing to cover any of that with county funds, either shifting from other priorities or increasing taxation.

Then there wouldn't be a need to shift populations such that you clutch your pearls.

Or accept that this is what is being reaped from having sown the current situation. They'd rather be close to home, but not if it means in an overcrowded facility, inadequate or inequitable one. And if you think Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown Rd is really cross-county, I invite you to study a map.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

My kids go to WJ and I don’t hear people saying that. I hear a constant drumbeat of nastiness on this board about WJ though
I guess i operate under the assumption that since Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ and DCC, that DCC kids will attend and that makes sense

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

Citation needed.

Yes, it's misleading to say that since Woodward isn't even in the DCC or near it. It would make almost no sense to bus DCC kids crosscounty. There are much easier solutions.

Great.

Take your time machine back a dozen years or so and convince MCPS, the BOE, the County Council and the W clusters that additional capacity for DCC in excess of any possible single renovation to Northwood or Einstein has to come before or at the very same time as building a new school (that became the reopened Woodward) addressing WJ overcrowding.

Or take it two decades farther back and convince them not to convert/lease out all the local school facilities that they closed so that there would be more options.

Or get on your horse to get an adequate new facility or expansion in the DCC area right quick so that it's presence can be figured in to the pending boundary study.

Oh, and ve willing to cover any of that with county funds, either shifting from other priorities or increasing taxation.

Then there wouldn't be a need to shift populations such that you clutch your pearls.

Or accept that this is what is being reaped from having sown the current situation. They'd rather be close to home, but not if it means in an overcrowded facility, inadequate or inequitable one. And if you think Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown Rd is really cross-county, I invite you to study a map.

Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown isn’t cross county which is why DCC kids will go to Woodward

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The following DCC elementary schools are all adjacent to schools in either the WJ or BCC clusters:
Wheaton Woods
Sargent Shriver
Viers Mill
Rock View
Oakland Terrace
Flora Singer
Woodlin

Some of the above will need to shift to the west. Rock View surrounds Einstein itself and encompasses much of its walk zone, so it would seem to be staying put.

For OTES and FS, you pass Einstein and closer to other schools. That makes no sense to bus the kids that far.

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

Citation needed.

Yes, it's misleading to say that since Woodward isn't even in the DCC or near it. It would make almost no sense to bus DCC kids crosscounty. There are much easier solutions.

Great.

Take your time machine back a dozen years or so and convince MCPS, the BOE, the County Council and the W clusters that additional capacity for DCC in excess of any possible single renovation to Northwood or Einstein has to come before or at the very same time as building a new school (that became the reopened Woodward) addressing WJ overcrowding.

Or take it two decades farther back and convince them not to convert/lease out all the local school facilities that they closed so that there would be more options.

Or get on your horse to get an adequate new facility or expansion in the DCC area right quick so that it's presence can be figured in to the pending boundary study.

Oh, and ve willing to cover any of that with county funds, either shifting from other priorities or increasing taxation.

Then there wouldn't be a need to shift populations such that you clutch your pearls.

Or accept that this is what is being reaped from having sown the current situation. They'd rather be close to home, but not if it means in an overcrowded facility, inadequate or inequitable one. And if you think Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown Rd is really cross-county, I invite you to study a map.

Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown isn’t cross county which is why DCC kids will go to Woodward

Yes, it is really far and you pass Einstein and other HS to get to Woodward. I don't know why W families think DCC families WANT to go to a W school or even BCC. Many of us don't for a variety of reasons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

Citation needed.

Yes, it's misleading to say that since Woodward isn't even in the DCC or near it. It would make almost no sense to bus DCC kids crosscounty. There are much easier solutions.

Great.

Take your time machine back a dozen years or so and convince MCPS, the BOE, the County Council and the W clusters that additional capacity for DCC in excess of any possible single renovation to Northwood or Einstein has to come before or at the very same time as building a new school (that became the reopened Woodward) addressing WJ overcrowding.

Or take it two decades farther back and convince them not to convert/lease out all the local school facilities that they closed so that there would be more options.

Or get on your horse to get an adequate new facility or expansion in the DCC area right quick so that it's presence can be figured in to the pending boundary study.

Oh, and ve willing to cover any of that with county funds, either shifting from other priorities or increasing taxation.

Then there wouldn't be a need to shift populations such that you clutch your pearls.

Or accept that this is what is being reaped from having sown the current situation. They'd rather be close to home, but not if it means in an overcrowded facility, inadequate or inequitable one. And if you think Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown Rd is really cross-county, I invite you to study a map.

Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown isn’t cross county which is why DCC kids will go to Woodward

Yes, it is really far and you pass Einstein and other HS to get to Woodward. I don't know why W families think DCC families WANT to go to a W school or even BCC. Many of us don't for a variety of reasons.

I was addressing the comments along the lines of WJ families don’t want DCC kids at Woodward, which is not true. But so many people on this board cling so desperately to the W v DCC paradigm that they can’t see any discussion or issue except through that lense.

I have no idea whether DCC parents want their kids to go to Woodward. Some probably do, some probably don’t care, and some are probably opposed. You know like everything in life

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

Citation needed.

Yes, it's misleading to say that since Woodward isn't even in the DCC or near it. It would make almost no sense to bus DCC kids crosscounty. There are much easier solutions.

Great.

Take your time machine back a dozen years or so and convince MCPS, the BOE, the County Council and the W clusters that additional capacity for DCC in excess of any possible single renovation to Northwood or Einstein has to come before or at the very same time as building a new school (that became the reopened Woodward) addressing WJ overcrowding.

Or take it two decades farther back and convince them not to convert/lease out all the local school facilities that they closed so that there would be more options.

Or get on your horse to get an adequate new facility or expansion in the DCC area right quick so that it's presence can be figured in to the pending boundary study.

Oh, and ve willing to cover any of that with county funds, either shifting from other priorities or increasing taxation.

Then there wouldn't be a need to shift populations such that you clutch your pearls.

Or accept that this is what is being reaped from having sown the current situation. They'd rather be close to home, but not if it means in an overcrowded facility, inadequate or inequitable one. And if you think Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown Rd is really cross-county, I invite you to study a map.

Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown isn’t cross county which is why DCC kids will go to Woodward

Yes, it is really far and you pass Einstein and other HS to get to Woodward. I don't know why W families think DCC families WANT to go to a W school or even BCC. Many of us don't for a variety of reasons.

I was addressing the comments along the lines of WJ families don’t want DCC kids at Woodward, which is not true. But so many people on this board cling so desperately to the W v DCC paradigm that they can’t see any discussion or issue except through that lense.

I have no idea whether DCC parents want their kids to go to Woodward. Some probably do, some probably don’t care, and some are probably opposed. You know like everything in life

I am trying not to be too invested in the outcome of the boundary study as a parent in the WJ cluster. I take it on face value that since the study will involve 9 high schools, my kids could end up at a lot of different places.

I am surprised to hear people from DCC express concerns about bus rides though. I Guess it goes to show that these issues are complex.

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

Citation needed.

Yes, it's misleading to say that since Woodward isn't even in the DCC or near it. It would make almost no sense to bus DCC kids crosscounty. There are much easier solutions.

Great.

Take your time machine back a dozen years or so and convince MCPS, the BOE, the County Council and the W clusters that additional capacity for DCC in excess of any possible single renovation to Northwood or Einstein has to come before or at the very same time as building a new school (that became the reopened Woodward) addressing WJ overcrowding.

Or take it two decades farther back and convince them not to convert/lease out all the local school facilities that they closed so that there would be more options.

Or get on your horse to get an adequate new facility or expansion in the DCC area right quick so that it's presence can be figured in to the pending boundary study.

Oh, and ve willing to cover any of that with county funds, either shifting from other priorities or increasing taxation.

Then there wouldn't be a need to shift populations such that you clutch your pearls.

Or accept that this is what is being reaped from having sown the current situation. They'd rather be close to home, but not if it means in an overcrowded facility, inadequate or inequitable one. And if you think Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown Rd is really cross-county, I invite you to study a map.

Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown isn’t cross county which is why DCC kids will go to Woodward

Um...that was the point.

On the other hand, "will go to Woodward" -- we'll have to see. Should be shifted towards the schools with capacity to the west is more like it, but "will" and "should" often end up being different things.

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

Citation needed.

Yes, it's misleading to say that since Woodward isn't even in the DCC or near it. It would make almost no sense to bus DCC kids crosscounty. There are much easier solutions.

Great.

Take your time machine back a dozen years or so and convince MCPS, the BOE, the County Council and the W clusters that additional capacity for DCC in excess of any possible single renovation to Northwood or Einstein has to come before or at the very same time as building a new school (that became the reopened Woodward) addressing WJ overcrowding.

Or take it two decades farther back and convince them not to convert/lease out all the local school facilities that they closed so that there would be more options.

Or get on your horse to get an adequate new facility or expansion in the DCC area right quick so that it's presence can be figured in to the pending boundary study.

Oh, and ve willing to cover any of that with county funds, either shifting from other priorities or increasing taxation.

Then there wouldn't be a need to shift populations such that you clutch your pearls.

Or accept that this is what is being reaped from having sown the current situation. They'd rather be close to home, but not if it means in an overcrowded facility, inadequate or inequitable one. And if you think Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown Rd is really cross-county, I invite you to study a map.

Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown isn’t cross county which is why DCC kids will go to Woodward

Yes, it is really far and you pass Einstein and other HS to get to Woodward. I don't know why W families think DCC families WANT to go to a W school or even BCC. Many of us don't for a variety of reasons.

I was addressing the comments along the lines of WJ families don’t want DCC kids at Woodward, which is not true. But so many people on this board cling so desperately to the W v DCC paradigm that they can’t see any discussion or issue except through that lense.

I have no idea whether DCC parents want their kids to go to Woodward. Some probably do, some probably don’t care, and some are probably opposed. You know like everything in life

I am trying not to be too invested in the outcome of the boundary study as a parent in the WJ cluster. I take it on face value that since the study will involve 9 high schools, my kids could end up at a lot of different places.

I am surprised to hear people from DCC express concerns about bus rides though. I Guess it goes to show that these issues are complex.

Why would you be surprised? You have to remember in HS there are lots of after-school activities. Sometimes they don't start till later, like 5 so kids need to go back and forth, which is a nightmare if it's that far and traffic. The after school buses are limited and don't go back and forth for everything.

I don't get why W parents assume we want our kids at your schools. We don't, or we'd move so we could attend.

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

Citation needed.

Yes, it's misleading to say that since Woodward isn't even in the DCC or near it. It would make almost no sense to bus DCC kids crosscounty. There are much easier solutions.

Great.

Take your time machine back a dozen years or so and convince MCPS, the BOE, the County Council and the W clusters that additional capacity for DCC in excess of any possible single renovation to Northwood or Einstein has to come before or at the very same time as building a new school (that became the reopened Woodward) addressing WJ overcrowding.

Or take it two decades farther back and convince them not to convert/lease out all the local school facilities that they closed so that there would be more options.

Or get on your horse to get an adequate new facility or expansion in the DCC area right quick so that it's presence can be figured in to the pending boundary study.

Oh, and ve willing to cover any of that with county funds, either shifting from other priorities or increasing taxation.

Then there wouldn't be a need to shift populations such that you clutch your pearls.

Or accept that this is what is being reaped from having sown the current situation. They'd rather be close to home, but not if it means in an overcrowded facility, inadequate or inequitable one. And if you think Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown Rd is really cross-county, I invite you to study a map.

Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown isn’t cross county which is why DCC kids will go to Woodward

Yes, it is really far and you pass Einstein and other HS to get to Woodward. I don't know why W families think DCC families WANT to go to a W school or even BCC. Many of us don't for a variety of reasons.

I was addressing the comments along the lines of WJ families don’t want DCC kids at Woodward, which is not true. But so many people on this board cling so desperately to the W v DCC paradigm that they can’t see any discussion or issue except through that lense.

I have no idea whether DCC parents want their kids to go to Woodward. Some probably do, some probably don’t care, and some are probably opposed. You know like everything in life

I am trying not to be too invested in the outcome of the boundary study as a parent in the WJ cluster. I take it on face value that since the study will involve 9 high schools, my kids could end up at a lot of different places.

I am surprised to hear people from DCC express concerns about bus rides though. I Guess it goes to show that these issues are complex.

Why would you be surprised? You have to remember in HS there are lots of after-school activities. Sometimes they don't start till later, like 5 so kids need to go back and forth, which is a nightmare if it's that far and traffic. The after school buses are limited and don't go back and forth for everything.

I don't get why W parents assume we want our kids at your schools. We don't, or we'd move so we could attend.

This, but we also want on par and not overcrowded facilities.

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

Citation needed.

Yes, it's misleading to say that since Woodward isn't even in the DCC or near it. It would make almost no sense to bus DCC kids crosscounty. There are much easier solutions.

Great.

Take your time machine back a dozen years or so and convince MCPS, the BOE, the County Council and the W clusters that additional capacity for DCC in excess of any possible single renovation to Northwood or Einstein has to come before or at the very same time as building a new school (that became the reopened Woodward) addressing WJ overcrowding.

Or take it two decades farther back and convince them not to convert/lease out all the local school facilities that they closed so that there would be more options.

Or get on your horse to get an adequate new facility or expansion in the DCC area right quick so that it's presence can be figured in to the pending boundary study.

Oh, and ve willing to cover any of that with county funds, either shifting from other priorities or increasing taxation.

Then there wouldn't be a need to shift populations such that you clutch your pearls.

Or accept that this is what is being reaped from having sown the current situation. They'd rather be close to home, but not if it means in an overcrowded facility, inadequate or inequitable one. And if you think Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown Rd is really cross-county, I invite you to study a map.

Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown isn’t cross county which is why DCC kids will go to Woodward

Yes, it is really far and you pass Einstein and other HS to get to Woodward. I don't know why W families think DCC families WANT to go to a W school or even BCC. Many of us don't for a variety of reasons.

I was addressing the comments along the lines of WJ families don’t want DCC kids at Woodward, which is not true. But so many people on this board cling so desperately to the W v DCC paradigm that they can’t see any discussion or issue except through that lense.

I have no idea whether DCC parents want their kids to go to Woodward. Some probably do, some probably don’t care, and some are probably opposed. You know like everything in life

I am trying not to be too invested in the outcome of the boundary study as a parent in the WJ cluster. I take it on face value that since the study will involve 9 high schools, my kids could end up at a lot of different places.

I am surprised to hear people from DCC express concerns about bus rides though. I Guess it goes to show that these issues are complex.

Why would you be surprised? You have to remember in HS there are lots of after-school activities. Sometimes they don't start till later, like 5 so kids need to go back and forth, which is a nightmare if it's that far and traffic. The after school buses are limited and don't go back and forth for everything.

I don't get why W parents assume we want our kids at your schools. We don't, or we'd move so we could attend.

Woodward is within a 4-mile radius of many DCC neighborhoods, including Aspen Hill, Wheaton, and Homewood.

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

Citation needed.

Yes, it's misleading to say that since Woodward isn't even in the DCC or near it. It would make almost no sense to bus DCC kids crosscounty. There are much easier solutions.

Great.

Take your time machine back a dozen years or so and convince MCPS, the BOE, the County Council and the W clusters that additional capacity for DCC in excess of any possible single renovation to Northwood or Einstein has to come before or at the very same time as building a new school (that became the reopened Woodward) addressing WJ overcrowding.

Or take it two decades farther back and convince them not to convert/lease out all the local school facilities that they closed so that there would be more options.

Or get on your horse to get an adequate new facility or expansion in the DCC area right quick so that it's presence can be figured in to the pending boundary study.

Oh, and ve willing to cover any of that with county funds, either shifting from other priorities or increasing taxation.

Then there wouldn't be a need to shift populations such that you clutch your pearls.

Or accept that this is what is being reaped from having sown the current situation. They'd rather be close to home, but not if it means in an overcrowded facility, inadequate or inequitable one. And if you think Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown Rd is really cross-county, I invite you to study a map.

Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown isn’t cross county which is why DCC kids will go to Woodward

Yes, it is really far and you pass Einstein and other HS to get to Woodward. I don't know why W families think DCC families WANT to go to a W school or even BCC. Many of us don't for a variety of reasons.

I was addressing the comments along the lines of WJ families don’t want DCC kids at Woodward, which is not true. But so many people on this board cling so desperately to the W v DCC paradigm that they can’t see any discussion or issue except through that lense.

I have no idea whether DCC parents want their kids to go to Woodward. Some probably do, some probably don’t care, and some are probably opposed. You know like everything in life

I am trying not to be too invested in the outcome of the boundary study as a parent in the WJ cluster. I take it on face value that since the study will involve 9 high schools, my kids could end up at a lot of different places.

I am surprised to hear people from DCC express concerns about bus rides though. I Guess it goes to show that these issues are complex.

Why would you be surprised? You have to remember in HS there are lots of after-school activities. Sometimes they don't start till later, like 5 so kids need to go back and forth, which is a nightmare if it's that far and traffic. The after school buses are limited and don't go back and forth for everything.

I don't get why W parents assume we want our kids at your schools. We don't, or we'd move so we could attend.

Woodward is within a 4-mile radius of many DCC neighborhoods, including Aspen Hill, Wheaton, and Homewood.

Homewood passes Einstein to get to Woodward and Wheaton and Northwood are closer than Woodward. And, 4 miles in traffic isn't 4 minutes, its easily 20-30 minutes and parents may have to do that trip 4 times a day.

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

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Yes, it's misleading to say that since Woodward isn't even in the DCC or near it. It would make almost no sense to bus DCC kids crosscounty. There are much easier solutions.

Great.

Take your time machine back a dozen years or so and convince MCPS, the BOE, the County Council and the W clusters that additional capacity for DCC in excess of any possible single renovation to Northwood or Einstein has to come before or at the very same time as building a new school (that became the reopened Woodward) addressing WJ overcrowding.

Or take it two decades farther back and convince them not to convert/lease out all the local school facilities that they closed so that there would be more options.

Or get on your horse to get an adequate new facility or expansion in the DCC area right quick so that it's presence can be figured in to the pending boundary study.

Oh, and ve willing to cover any of that with county funds, either shifting from other priorities or increasing taxation.

Then there wouldn't be a need to shift populations such that you clutch your pearls.

Or accept that this is what is being reaped from having sown the current situation. They'd rather be close to home, but not if it means in an overcrowded facility, inadequate or inequitable one. And if you think Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown Rd is really cross-county, I invite you to study a map.

Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown isn’t cross county which is why DCC kids will go to Woodward

Yes, it is really far and you pass Einstein and other HS to get to Woodward. I don't know why W families think DCC families WANT to go to a W school or even BCC. Many of us don't for a variety of reasons.

I was addressing the comments along the lines of WJ families don’t want DCC kids at Woodward, which is not true. But so many people on this board cling so desperately to the W v DCC paradigm that they can’t see any discussion or issue except through that lense.

I have no idea whether DCC parents want their kids to go to Woodward. Some probably do, some probably don’t care, and some are probably opposed. You know like everything in life

I am trying not to be too invested in the outcome of the boundary study as a parent in the WJ cluster. I take it on face value that since the study will involve 9 high schools, my kids could end up at a lot of different places.

I am surprised to hear people from DCC express concerns about bus rides though. I Guess it goes to show that these issues are complex.

Why would you be surprised? You have to remember in HS there are lots of after-school activities. Sometimes they don't start till later, like 5 so kids need to go back and forth, which is a nightmare if it's that far and traffic. The after school buses are limited and don't go back and forth for everything.

I don't get why W parents assume we want our kids at your schools. We don't, or we'd move so we could attend.

Woodward is within a 4-mile radius of many DCC neighborhoods, including Aspen Hill, Wheaton, and Homewood.

Homewood passes Einstein to get to Woodward and Wheaton and Northwood are closer than Woodward. And, 4 miles in traffic isn't 4 minutes, its easily 20-30 minutes and parents may have to do that trip 4 times a day.

It is simply not possible for every student to attend the school closest to their home. This was looked at in the boundary analysis. MCPS has consistently said current walkers will remain as walkers. Current bus riders may be assigned to a different school.

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood is getting a new and larger building. Kennedy just got a larger building. Their space will alleviate Blair's overcrowding, and probably some of Wheaton's and Einstein's. Woodward is reopening as a new building. Its space will alleviate WJ's overcrowding and probably the rest of Wheaton's and Einstein's. BCC and Whitman are in the study too to allow for additional options that may make things work better.

Look at the projections (currently to 2029-30):

WW/BCC/WJ
Capacity 6992
Enrollment 7359 (367 over capacity, or 5%)

Blair/Northwood/Kennedy
Capacity 7308
Enrollment 7302 (6 under capacity, or 0%)

Einstein/Wheaton
Capacity 3839
Enrollment 4756 (917 over capacity, or 24%)

This includes new Northwood capacity but not Woodward. And WJ has all the overage in the first set -- WW & BCC remain under capacity (and could take on some small amount of shift). And Blair has all the overage in the second set, while both Wheaton and Einstein are over in the third. This is versus current catchments.

Even to get to that enrollment = capacity for the middle three, you'd need to bus large numbers past Blair and up to Northwood, shifting some of Northwood to Kennedy. And that's with none of the overage from Einstein & Wheaton -- all that Northwood & Kennedy capacity is used already.

This means large portions of Einstein and Wheaton will need to go to Woodward or shift to BCC, presuming Woodward naturally assumes more of the existing WJ catchment than needed to alleviate WJ's overcrowding. Possibly even some of the lower Northwood and Blair catchments to even out the enrollment vs. capacity once Woodward's 2160 comes online after Northwood moves out (the additional 540 might come online in a later phase, now, if funded). That's 882 seats across 8 high schools in 2029-30, and we know that the DCC is likely to continue growing faster than WW/BCC/WJ after the current projection timeline, so there might be greater shifts than some anticipate.

Unless the Ws keep up the pressure, of course. Then we'll have the expected: overcrowded DCC and under capacity Ws, with no solution for inside-the-beltway/east of the MARC tracks.

Why is it expected that Ws will be under capacity and DCC over when Woodward is being built to relieve overcrowding at WJ AND DCC?

Isn’t that why there will be a massive boundary study involving all these schools?

Woodward is not going to be just for WJ students. Current DCC students will go there too

It's about that "don't send those students over here" influence that has WW folks trying to keep out of the study altogether (they don't want the hoi polloi from BCC), the BCC folks trying to limit any consequent shift from Silver Spring and the WJ folks on the Woodward side saying, "Sure, maybe nicer parts of Kensingson, but not further over -- they're much closer to Einstein and Wheaton so they should stay there!" in the face of the prospect of larger swaths of those catchments being shifted to be with them. And then there's the prospect of a broader or reconfigured consortium arrangement that might result from all of that.

MCPS, for its part, has been swayed in the past by such influence (e.g., BCC being "saved" from being part of the original DCC, with focus shifting more north-south than east-west). It also has walked back rhetoric that brought Woodward reopening to the table in the first place, initially more broadly inclusive of handling DCC overcrowding, then more limited, with thoughts that DCC-area draw to an eventual magnet at Woodward might be all they would implement. (That might get placed elsewhere, now, with the last Woodward phase in jeopardy, or abandoned altogether.)

We'll have to see, given the numbers, but if past is prologue, then the expected might be as above.

Citation needed.

Yes, it's misleading to say that since Woodward isn't even in the DCC or near it. It would make almost no sense to bus DCC kids crosscounty. There are much easier solutions.

Great.

Take your time machine back a dozen years or so and convince MCPS, the BOE, the County Council and the W clusters that additional capacity for DCC in excess of any possible single renovation to Northwood or Einstein has to come before or at the very same time as building a new school (that became the reopened Woodward) addressing WJ overcrowding.

Or take it two decades farther back and convince them not to convert/lease out all the local school facilities that they closed so that there would be more options.

Or get on your horse to get an adequate new facility or expansion in the DCC area right quick so that it's presence can be figured in to the pending boundary study.

Oh, and ve willing to cover any of that with county funds, either shifting from other priorities or increasing taxation.

Then there wouldn't be a need to shift populations such that you clutch your pearls.

Or accept that this is what is being reaped from having sown the current situation. They'd rather be close to home, but not if it means in an overcrowded facility, inadequate or inequitable one. And if you think Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown Rd is really cross-county, I invite you to study a map.

Georgia Ave to Old Georgetown isn’t cross county which is why DCC kids will go to Woodward

Yes, it is really far and you pass Einstein and other HS to get to Woodward. I don't know why W families think DCC families WANT to go to a W school or even BCC. Many of us don't for a variety of reasons.

I was addressing the comments along the lines of WJ families don’t want DCC kids at Woodward, which is not true. But so many people on this board cling so desperately to the W v DCC paradigm that they can’t see any discussion or issue except through that lense.

I have no idea whether DCC parents want their kids to go to Woodward. Some probably do, some probably don’t care, and some are probably opposed. You know like everything in life

I am trying not to be too invested in the outcome of the boundary study as a parent in the WJ cluster. I take it on face value that since the study will involve 9 high schools, my kids could end up at a lot of different places.

I am surprised to hear people from DCC express concerns about bus rides though. I Guess it goes to show that these issues are complex.

Why would you be surprised? You have to remember in HS there are lots of after-school activities. Sometimes they don't start till later, like 5 so kids need to go back and forth, which is a nightmare if it's that far and traffic. The after school buses are limited and don't go back and forth for everything.

I don't get why W parents assume we want our kids at your schools. We don't, or we'd move so we could attend.

Agreed! But when anyone from a W school says they are worried about bus rides because of activities etc we are told we are hoarding privilege, racist and whatever else

W parents do not assume DCC parents want their kids at W schools. But many people a few comments ago were concerned DCC would be over crowded and W under enrolled, which seems inconsistent with the stated purpose of Woodward being to serve WJ and DCC areas