Birth rate plummets

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Oh, please. Any parent who tells you that they did not make sacrifices to have children are just lying or are not very good parents.
And, how do you know that one of the children that I gave birth to and sacrificed for is not the next Einstein or Mother Theresa?

Or the next Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy.

Or Trump, Epstein, Maxwell, Weinstein, most of the SCJ, W Bush, 2A freaks, mass shooters, pedophiles, rapists, career criminals, Pulpit pricks, and the garden variety MTGs

You forget that this woman is out there producing Mother Theresa and Einstein. We're supposed to be on our knees thanking her for the sacrifice, and also recognize that she's having the best amazing life ever. It's called poor-thing/be-jealous syndrome.

Actually most of the unwanted children will more likely grow up to be criminals and / or dealing with some sort of trauma their whole life. Maybe once in a while, one will be a genius and successful.

I have relatives forced birthed before Roe v Wade, mainly because abortion was illegal, and things didn't turn out too well for them even though they had both parents and a stable home. It was pretty obvious the parents were overwhelmed and could barely take care of them.

Now no one in that whole branch of forced births has been able to get a college education, or even get a marriage to last. It looks like the third generation after them is now getting it together and getting married before having kids and at least going to trade school. That's how long it took. Good luck red states.

This is proven fact. Crime dropped after Roe v. Wade let women skip having forced births.

I was one of those forced births and I hate with a murderous passion the prolife fools who put my birth mother through hell.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s tied to women’s level of eduction.
When women are educated and have choices, they make better ones.
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I think it depends. Wealthy women can have more kids, and some choose to do so, while others don't for whatever reason.

Ivanka Trump has 3 kids.
Melania has 1, probably because her husband is too old to be a dad again to an infant.

Melania has one because she's in a transactional marriage and a child guarantees her place as a wife. I also think she wanted a child and loves/is a good mother to Barron.

This makes no sense. Plenty of men divorce the mothers of their children, Trump included.

Ivana divorced Donald. Not sure about Marla Maples. Melania is not going to file for divorce from Trump no matter what.

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I am surprised about birth rates going down. I live in an area with many immigrants and they have 3+ kids, seems like most of them.

Generally, immigrants have more kids, and that's why immigrants are necessary to keep our working population at a certain level. If we only rely on "real" Americans, the working population would decline, which is bad for the economy.

This is partly why forced-birthers want to ban abortion.

How are immigrants able to afford 3+ kids while “real” Americans aren’t?

It’s not about money. It’s about trade offs. More and more adults aren’t willing to sacrifice for kids.

It could be that more and more adults aren't willing to bring children in the world knowing that there is a 99% chance of Donald Trump or Joe Biden being the most powerful person in the world until 2029. There will be a great deal of uncertainty and turmoil in the world over the next 4 to 5 years and possibly longer if we fail to elect a someone with POTUS caliber leadership skills once again in 2028.

If this is what people are basing the decision to have or not to have children, they are just plain stupid. Unable to think about the long term.

That PP is 100% a both sides Republican looking to stir the pot.

There is polling that reveals why people don’t want kids.

Hopefully people can stop making up nonsense about the reasons for fertility decline in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/11/03/millennials-only-children/

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I think another factor is the number of “failure to launch” men who are not really marriage material. I have a number of friends and a SIL (all mid 40s+ now) who wanted to marry and have kids but it just never happened. Not enough good guys to go around. All of them possibly could have “settled” or become single moms but didn’t feel strongly enough to go to such lengths. All are happy with their lives - lots of friends, career, hobbies etc. and don’t seem to have any real regrets.

I think in times past, they would’ve felt more pressure to settle and marry. Many did, I think. I don’t remember knowing many “single never married” middle aged+ women when I was a kid. None in our extended families or our social circle/neighborhood that I recall offhand. Now I know many!

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I am surprised about birth rates going down. I live in an area with many immigrants and they have 3+ kids, seems like most of them.

Generally, immigrants have more kids, and that's why immigrants are necessary to keep our working population at a certain level. If we only rely on "real" Americans, the working population would decline, which is bad for the economy.

This is partly why forced-birthers want to ban abortion.

How are immigrants able to afford 3+ kids while “real” Americans aren’t?

It’s not about money. It’s about trade offs. More and more adults aren’t willing to sacrifice for kids.

It could be that more and more adults aren't willing to bring children in the world knowing that there is a 99% chance of Donald Trump or Joe Biden being the most powerful person in the world until 2029. There will be a great deal of uncertainty and turmoil in the world over the next 4 to 5 years and possibly longer if we fail to elect a someone with POTUS caliber leadership skills once again in 2028.

If this is what people are basing the decision to have or not to have children, they are just plain stupid. Unable to think about the long term.

That PP is 100% a both sides Republican looking to stir the pot.

There is polling that reveals why people don’t want kids.

Hopefully people can stop making up nonsense about the reasons for fertility decline in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/11/03/millennials-only-children/

That story wanders all over the place.

Basically it is because of Republican policies that shred any social support.

The resulting cost and the accessibility of great birth control.... especially IUDs... mean women just aren't that interested.

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Anonymous wrote:I think another factor is the number of “failure to launch” men who are not really marriage material. I have a number of friends and a SIL (all mid 40s+ now) who wanted to marry and have kids but it just never happened. Not enough good guys to go around. All of them possibly could have “settled” or become single moms but didn’t feel strongly enough to go to such lengths. All are happy with their lives - lots of friends, career, hobbies etc. and don’t seem to have any real regrets.

I think in times past, they would’ve felt more pressure to settle and marry. Many did, I think. I don’t remember knowing many “single never married” middle aged+ women when I was a kid. None in our extended families or our social circle/neighborhood that I recall offhand. Now I know many!

I knew a number of older single women at church in the 1970s. Had a couple of "maiden" great aunts who never married. These were all middle.class or lower middle class white women who are all deceased now.

Pre Roe v Wade and pre accessible birth control, women who wanted to have a career or a job, or who didn't have great marriage prospects, tended to stay single.

My great aunts had marriage proposals, but they knew what living and having children with a man who might beat them or be an alcoholic looked like and opted to stay single.

When women had fewer choices, sometimes it made more sense to stay single than to get married and have kids.

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I am surprised about birth rates going down. I live in an area with many immigrants and they have 3+ kids, seems like most of them.

Generally, immigrants have more kids, and that's why immigrants are necessary to keep our working population at a certain level. If we only rely on "real" Americans, the working population would decline, which is bad for the economy.

This is partly why forced-birthers want to ban abortion.

How are immigrants able to afford 3+ kids while “real” Americans aren’t?

It’s not about money. It’s about trade offs. More and more adults aren’t willing to sacrifice for kids.

It could be that more and more adults aren't willing to bring children in the world knowing that there is a 99% chance of Donald Trump or Joe Biden being the most powerful person in the world until 2029. There will be a great deal of uncertainty and turmoil in the world over the next 4 to 5 years and possibly longer if we fail to elect a someone with POTUS caliber leadership skills once again in 2028.

If this is what people are basing the decision to have or not to have children, they are just plain stupid. Unable to think about the long term.

That PP is 100% a both sides Republican looking to stir the pot.

There is polling that reveals why people don’t want kids.

Hopefully people can stop making up nonsense about the reasons for fertility decline in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/11/03/millennials-only-children/

That story wanders all over the place.

Basically it is because of Republican policies that shred any social support.

The resulting cost and the accessibility of great birth control.... especially IUDs... mean women just aren't that interested.

Neither cost nor access to social services are cited by millennials as the top reasons why they don’t want kids. Did you even read the survey results?

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Anonymous wrote:New poster.
I am surprised about birth rates going down. I live in an area with many immigrants and they have 3+ kids, seems like most of them.

Generally, immigrants have more kids, and that's why immigrants are necessary to keep our working population at a certain level. If we only rely on "real" Americans, the working population would decline, which is bad for the economy.

This is partly why forced-birthers want to ban abortion.

How are immigrants able to afford 3+ kids while “real” Americans aren’t?

It’s not about money. It’s about trade offs. More and more adults aren’t willing to sacrifice for kids.

It could be that more and more adults aren't willing to bring children in the world knowing that there is a 99% chance of Donald Trump or Joe Biden being the most powerful person in the world until 2029. There will be a great deal of uncertainty and turmoil in the world over the next 4 to 5 years and possibly longer if we fail to elect a someone with POTUS caliber leadership skills once again in 2028.

If this is what people are basing the decision to have or not to have children, they are just plain stupid. Unable to think about the long term.

That PP is 100% a both sides Republican looking to stir the pot.

There is polling that reveals why people don’t want kids.

Hopefully people can stop making up nonsense about the reasons for fertility decline in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/11/03/millennials-only-children/

That story wanders all over the place.

Basically it is because of Republican policies that shred any social support.

The resulting cost and the accessibility of great birth control.... especially IUDs... mean women just aren't that interested.

If the reason was because of Republican policies, how do explain the near identical drop in fertility among Nordic women?

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Anonymous wrote:New poster.
I am surprised about birth rates going down. I live in an area with many immigrants and they have 3+ kids, seems like most of them.

Generally, immigrants have more kids, and that's why immigrants are necessary to keep our working population at a certain level. If we only rely on "real" Americans, the working population would decline, which is bad for the economy.

This is partly why forced-birthers want to ban abortion.

How are immigrants able to afford 3+ kids while “real” Americans aren’t?

It’s not about money. It’s about trade offs. More and more adults aren’t willing to sacrifice for kids.

It could be that more and more adults aren't willing to bring children in the world knowing that there is a 99% chance of Donald Trump or Joe Biden being the most powerful person in the world until 2029. There will be a great deal of uncertainty and turmoil in the world over the next 4 to 5 years and possibly longer if we fail to elect a someone with POTUS caliber leadership skills once again in 2028.

If this is what people are basing the decision to have or not to have children, they are just plain stupid. Unable to think about the long term.

That PP is 100% a both sides Republican looking to stir the pot.

There is polling that reveals why people don’t want kids.

Hopefully people can stop making up nonsense about the reasons for fertility decline in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/11/03/millennials-only-children/

That story wanders all over the place.

Basically it is because of Republican policies that shred any social support.

The resulting cost and the accessibility of great birth control.... especially IUDs... mean women just aren't that interested.

If the reason was because of Republican policies, how do explain the near identical drop in fertility among Nordic women?

NP A google search reveals this: In Norway, fertility began declining in the mid-1960s, driven by the strong expansion of education, especially for women, later and fewer marriages, and the wide acceptance of new contraceptive technologies.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster.
I am surprised about birth rates going down. I live in an area with many immigrants and they have 3+ kids, seems like most of them.

Generally, immigrants have more kids, and that's why immigrants are necessary to keep our working population at a certain level. If we only rely on "real" Americans, the working population would decline, which is bad for the economy.

This is partly why forced-birthers want to ban abortion.

How are immigrants able to afford 3+ kids while “real” Americans aren’t?

It’s not about money. It’s about trade offs. More and more adults aren’t willing to sacrifice for kids.

It could be that more and more adults aren't willing to bring children in the world knowing that there is a 99% chance of Donald Trump or Joe Biden being the most powerful person in the world until 2029. There will be a great deal of uncertainty and turmoil in the world over the next 4 to 5 years and possibly longer if we fail to elect a someone with POTUS caliber leadership skills once again in 2028.

If this is what people are basing the decision to have or not to have children, they are just plain stupid. Unable to think about the long term.

That PP is 100% a both sides Republican looking to stir the pot.

Pointing out the fact that neither Trump or Biden should be president until 2029 doesn't make you a Republican or Democrat. It makes you a non-partisan decent American with an IQ over 95. Get with it. Second graders are figuring this out.

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes, most of you have way too much anxiety. No wonder the kids are so anxious and depressed. Repeat after me. You live in the most prosperous community that has ever existed in human history. If you cannot find a way to have a child that you want in this society, then it's not our country that is the problem (and I'm not saying country is perfect). It's you.

For those who don't want kids, great. Don't have them. It is the people who claim they would love kids but just can't because of x,y,z.

“Yikes, some of you have way too little empathy.”

Global warming isn’t going to spare the US, and just because you’re fat and happy, figuratively speaking, doesn’t mean everyone is. Again, many people are essentially barely surviving despite having done everything “right.” My husband and I did everything right and have a comfortable result, but we understand the enormous luck that we got at various points. I understand that our fellow millennials aren’t all equally situated.

Grow a clue, in other words.

You do realize each generation has faced some major scare right? All this obsession with all the ways the world will fall apart is causing major depression among teenage girls. Stop passing down your anxiety people! Worry about the things you can control. Be good people, be kind, make your corner of the world a better place because of your existence. Why is that not enough? Have children not because you feel forced to but because it teaches you about love in a way no other experience can. If all our children face a harsher life, so be it. They will still be able to find much happiness, just like every generation before us. If we all die in 100 years, so be it, if we've lived good lives. Nothing lasts forever anyways.

Yes. I was born Vietnam war era. My mom said she and my dad considered not having kids because the world seemed so bleak then. I’m glad they did.

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Anonymous wrote:Have these reports included any information on whether the decline is a choice or rising infertility rates? I am a bit concerned about that. That must be playing a role.

This didn’t come up until page 4 of this thread and is barely followed up, but is important. Anyone who’s taken at least one statistics class understands that decreasing fertility rates (due to environmental toxins) has at least some impact on birth rates. We trash the planet, the planet trashes us - karma’s a b!@tch.

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There are more left leaning men with high estrogen levels these days. Dribbling blanks.

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Tyreek Hill has 10 kids
Nick Cannon has 10+ kids
elon has 8 kids
chief keef has 12 kids

I worked in the NBA and the players many times had more kids than the coaches/trainers/assistants/vp's etc --

it was a natural experiment of sorts -- if you want to boost the birth rates, it seems money definitely helps - but it's money during your sexual prime. not money at age 50

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There are more left leaning men with high estrogen levels these days. Dribbling blanks.

No.
Young men are skewing conservative
Women are skewing liberal.
Women are opting out.