Great aticle on how middle class is struggling and not saving enough

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I found the house - it's assessed at $1.4M. The sale data is hard to find but it seems to have been purchased in 1999 for $731K.

For it to be worth less than he paid, he must have cash out refinanced hard. Neighbors are as or more expensive by the looks of it.







Great job digging!
I tried finding the data and wasn't successful. I thought there was more to it than disclosed.
Next generation is toast, left to buy overpriced homes. These deals and ATM's are not out there anymore.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I found the house - it's assessed at $1.4M. The sale data is hard to find but it seems to have been purchased in 1999 for $731K.

For it to be worth less than he paid, he must have cash out refinanced hard. Neighbors are as or more expensive by the looks of it.



Great job digging!
I tried finding the data and wasn't successful. I thought there was more to it than disclosed.
Next generation is toast, left to buy overpriced homes. These deals and ATM's are not out there anymore.



If you want to find it, check the east Hampton county assessor's site. There's a pdf of every property in the county's assessment and ownership record.
Anonymous





Next generation is toast, left to buy overpriced homes.




They said the same thing in 1972 when houses in Cleveland Park were going for $70,000
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:




Next generation is toast, left to buy overpriced homes.




They said the same thing in 1972 when houses in Cleveland Park were going for $70,000

Makes me wish I'd bought all of them then.... By 1982 they were $400,000.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I disagree with you - he can have a great retirement. As a writer, he should be able to work into his mid sixties. His wife should be able to work as well. He will get social security as will she. They can rent out their Hampton family house - should be able so score high rents in the summer months. I am estimating about $7K - $10K + a month in income. They should buy long term insurance though -



Yea, they could spend their summers in Florida for super-cheap, and make a ton of money renting out their house for the summer. The guy has no "hustle", which kind of drives me nuts.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I disagree with you - he can have a great retirement. As a writer, he should be able to work into his mid sixties. His wife should be able to work as well. He will get social security as will she. They can rent out their Hampton family house - should be able so score high rents in the summer months. I am estimating about $7K - $10K + a month in income. They should buy long term insurance though -



Yea, they could spend their summers in Florida for super-cheap, and make a ton of money renting out their house for the summer. The guy has no "hustle", which kind of drives me nuts.


Many hamptons houses go for 10k a week in the summer. I would think he could make 50k just renting his home out 1.5 months in the summer.

I know the shithole we rented was $300 a girl per bed. There were five girls in our room. This was per week and only one of four plus bedrooms in the house. So they were making at least 5k a week
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I didn't really feel anything reading this article except - this guy got to make great life decisions. His wife didn't get to work so his children had a full time parent (highly educated at that - huge opportunity cost but awesome for the kids and him). He got to work in the profession he wanted. He got to live in highly desirable places. He got to provide his children with the 1% of education - even advanced degrees. On a more basic level - his children had food, shelter, clothing, loving parents, hot water etc. It appears that no one in his nuclear family has had any type of heath crisis.

What more did he expect out of life? A huge pile of money? He could have had that too. And can still have that - both him and his wife and work really hard for the next decade and stockpile money for retirement and be pretty comfortable. He is nothing like the working poor. Nothing.




Did we read the same article? He doesn't sent have $400 to spare in an emergency. I would call that pretty dire actually.
Anonymous
After reading this thread my car broke down Friday cost $411. We are paycheck to paycheck but we're able to pay it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I didn't really feel anything reading this article except - this guy got to make great life decisions. His wife didn't get to work so his children had a full time parent (highly educated at that - huge opportunity cost but awesome for the kids and him). He got to work in the profession he wanted. He got to live in highly desirable places. He got to provide his children with the 1% of education - even advanced degrees. On a more basic level - his children had food, shelter, clothing, loving parents, hot water etc. It appears that no one in his nuclear family has had any type of heath crisis.

What more did he expect out of life? A huge pile of money? He could have had that too. And can still have that - both him and his wife and work really hard for the next decade and stockpile money for retirement and be pretty comfortable. He is nothing like the working poor. Nothing.




Did we read the same article? He doesn't sent have $400 to spare in an emergency. I would call that pretty dire actually.


But he does. The house he lives in is a 4bd on 1.5acres - it's a few blocks from the beach. He paid $791K for it in 1999, and it's worth minimally $1.4M. His annual property taxes are $10,000. Another 4bd a few houses down was on the market for $2.5M.

He simply doesn't want to give anything up. Buy a one bedroom condo for $250,000 - rent the house for $50K a summer season or just sell it and sit on $700K in appreciation (assuming he hasn't cash out refi to shit).

He may be illiquid in this asset but there's no way he owns this place and doesn't even have $400. If that's true, he's a genuine fool.
Anonymous
There is the answer - genuine fool. I have no issue with his life choices - he day to day life seems pretty awesome - cool job that he has passion for, wife taking care of the kids and house, high achieving kids and he gets to live in the most desirable places in the country.

I have a HUGE issue of him writing an article like he is part of the middle and working class. Nope. He had a lot of choices and made choices to maximize comfort and success in the present moment. Now that retirement is looming he is looking back reflecting on those choices and deciding that the American economy is set up so that middle and working class folks can't accumulate wealth. Sorry - his personal example actually illustrates the exact opposite and 99% of humans on this planet would feel blessed and thrilled to have his financial status. Clown.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:There is the answer - genuine fool. I have no issue with his life choices - he day to day life seems pretty awesome - cool job that he has passion for, wife taking care of the kids and house, high achieving kids and he gets to live in the most desirable places in the country.

I have a HUGE issue of him writing an article like he is part of the middle and working class. Nope. He had a lot of choices and made choices to maximize comfort and success in the present moment. Now that retirement is looming he is looking back reflecting on those choices and deciding that the American economy is set up so that middle and working class folks can't accumulate wealth. Sorry - his personal example actually illustrates the exact opposite and 99% of humans on this planet would feel blessed and thrilled to have his financial status. Clown.


Spot on!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:but I wanted to be financially secure so I went into law


Yeah, law! There's an industry that isn't restructuring at an incredible rate and has jobs a plenty and also all at six figures!

Fucking idiot.


Not really. I got out of law school in 1988 and I'm almost done working now, but go ahead and assume I'm a 35 year old idiot. Like you.
Anonymous
Atlantic magazine is holding a summit on the economy on Wednesday at which the author of the article will speak if you all want to ask him your questions yourselves. Here is the program--check out the 2:10 slot:


The Atlantic Summit on the Economy
Underwritten by:
Knowledge Level - The Governor's Woods Foundation
Supporting Level - Maker's Mark

To RSVP, please email abruce@theatlantic.com

DATE & TIME
Wednesday, April 27
1:00 p.m. Afternoon Program Begins
4:00 p.m. Cocktail Reception
5:00 p.m. Event Concludes

LOCATION
Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center
Pavilion
1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C.

AGENDA
9:00 a.m. Welcome
Margaret Low Smith, President, AtlanticLIVE

9:10 a.m. Wide Angle Lens: The Economic Picture
Jason Furman, Chairman, White House Council of Economic Advisers
With Steve Clemons, The Atlantic

9:35 a.m. The Case for the Brexit
Gerard Lyons, Chief Economic Adviser, London Mayor Boris Johnson, and Author, The U.K. Referendum: An Easy Guide to Leaving the EU
With Steve Clemons, The Atlantic

9:50 a.m. Balanced Budgets
Alice Rivlin, Former Vice Chair, Federal Reserve, and Senior Fellow, Brookings Institution
With Jonathan Allen, Sidewire

10:05 a.m. The Downside of the Sharing Economy
Diana Farrell, President and Chief Executive Officer, JPMorgan Chase Institute
With Rebecca Rosen, The Atlantic

10:40 a.m. What Happened to Global Growth?
Steven Rattner, Former Lead Auto Advisor, Obama Administration, and Chairman, Willett Advisers
With Margaret Carlson, Bloomberg View

11:00 a.m. The Case Against the Brexit
Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, Chairman, and Founder, Spitzberg Partners
With Steve Clemons, The Atlantic

11:20 a.m. Greece and the World
Yanis Varoufakis, Former Greek Minister of Finance, and Author, And the Weak Suffer What They Must? Europe’s Crisis and America’s Economic Future
With Steve Clemons, The Atlantic

11:45 a.m. Forecasting the Future
Maya MacGuineas, President, Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget
Mark Zandi, Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics
With Gillian B. White, The Atlantic

12:10 p.m. Blind Spots in Economics
Richard Vague, Chairman, Governor’s Woods Foundation
With Joie Chen, Al Jazeera

12:25 p.m. Lunch

1:00 p.m. Headline Interview
Gene Sperling, Former Director, White House National Economic Council

1:30 p.m. Trade, Security and China
Bill Bishop, Publisher, Sinocism China Newsletter
Michael Green, Senior Vice President for Asia and Japan Chair, Center for Strategic and International Studies, and Chair, Modern and Contemporary Japanese Politics and Foreign Policy, Georgetown University
Deborah Lehr, Chief Executive Officer, Basilinna
Jonathan Woetzel, Director, McKinsey Global Institute
With James Fallows, The Atlantic

2:10 p.m. The Secret Shame of Middle-Class Americans
Neal Gabler, Author, "The Secret Shame of Middle-Class Americans," The Atlantic
With Scott Stossel, The Atlantic

2:30 p.m. Cracking the Code: The Push for Comprehensive Tax Reform
Rep. Kevin Brady, Chairman, House Committee on Ways and Means
With Margaret Carlson, Bloomberg View

3:00 p.m. Connectography
Parag Khanna, Global Contributor, CNN, and Author, Connectography

3:15 p.m. Connectography Distilled
Parag Khanna, Global Contributor, CNN, and Author, Connectography
Megan Murphy, Washington Bureau Chief, Bloomberg
With Steve Clemons, The Atlantic

3:40 p.m. Trade’s Deficits
With Steve Clemons, The Atlantic

4:05 p.m. Closing Remarks and Networking Reception


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:but I wanted to be financially secure so I went into law


Yeah, law! There's an industry that isn't restructuring at an incredible rate and has jobs a plenty and also all at six figures!

Fucking idiot.


Not really. I got out of law school in 1988 and I'm almost done working now, but go ahead and assume I'm a 35 year old idiot. Like you.


I think the point of the pp's post is that your statement, "I wanted to be financially secure so I went into law," is not applicable today. I am glad you made a smart choice ... in 1988.
Anonymous
The author of the Atlantic story was interviewed on New York public radio - http://www.wnyc.org/story/the-leonard-lopate-show-2016-04-25/

He is just awful.
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