AP Tests this week, how are we feeling?

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Anonymous wrote:^^I messed up my reply. But ok I see what others are saying. Take the ap senior year for:

-potential college credit for gen ed classes you want to skip
-to double major or add a minor
-to free up schedule to graduate early or take fewer classes one semester

All good reasons. So, when they make it through junior year testing madness (PSAT, SAT, APs, final exams), it's a little more relaxed senior year in that good scores will impart some benefits but nothing that's critical for admissions.

yes, AP score-wise senior year could be more relaxed, as most will know where they are going and can look up whether a specific test will gain them anything. However, senior year is not more relaxed in terms of course choice: they need to select the same or higher level of rigor in their course selection as they have had in 11th. A drop in rigor, even a small one, is a problem for elites, and is hammered into our private school kids as half the college counselors used to serve on T25 admissions and still have contacts. They have been saying TO is fake news for private school applicants since 2022 for the elite colleges, unless you are hooked, and encourage reporting every AP score 3 and above (and have for years).

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Anonymous wrote:^^I messed up my reply. But ok I see what others are saying. Take the ap senior year for:

-potential college credit for gen ed classes you want to skip
-to double major or add a minor
-to free up schedule to graduate early or take fewer classes one semester

All good reasons. So, when they make it through junior year testing madness (PSAT, SAT, APs, final exams), it's a little more relaxed senior year in that good scores will impart some benefits but nothing that's critical for admissions.

yes, AP score-wise senior year could be more relaxed, as most will know where they are going and can look up whether a specific test will gain them anything. However, senior year is not more relaxed in terms of course choice: they need to select the same or higher level of rigor in their course selection as they have had in 11th. A drop in rigor, even a small one, is a problem for elites, and is hammered into our private school kids as half the college counselors used to serve on T25 admissions and still have contacts. They have been saying TO is fake news for private school applicants since 2022 for the elite colleges, unless you are hooked, and encourage reporting every AP score 3 and above (and have for years).

No one is talking about course selection. We're talking about taking the AP exam.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn’t care less. My DD is taking 4 AP’s but only one test. Literally don’t care how she does. She’s heading to college in the fall so the score matters not at this point.

It matters if the college allows the kid to skip an intro class if they get a good score on the exam. My senior cancelled all his AP exams except those.

Me again. He studied hard for all the dozen AP courses he took over 4 years. We got him a tutor to prep for some of the exams.

We also have used tutors, especially when the teacher is severely lacking. This year my DD's AP Bio teacher hasn't bothered to cover everything (something she does every single year with dire results).

the teachers should get bonus based on AP test results, there is one in our school where the AP average is 2, yet no one does anything about it, its a dump on the kids, we pay taxes--that is what they are for--quality teachers

If teachers are to be held accountable for AP scores, it's only fair they are allowed to assess and approve students for enrollment in AP-level class. Students who lack the prerequisites would then remain in the non-AP class, which is also supported by your taxes.

There are no prerequisites for this class anywhere, nice try though

Yes, AP Biology is intended as a second year Biology course.

+2 At my kid’s local private school, you must take regular biology first, get a certain grade, and then you can enroll in AP biology junior or senior year. Same with AP Physics and AP Chemistry. They are the second year course.

There are even prerequisites at our inner city Los Angeles public. Any science AP has to be preceded with at least a "B" grade in the non AP version of that science class. Some humanities AP's are reserved for 11th and 12th graders only and require at least a "B" grade in the previous year's course. Etc and so on. Even AP Art needs 3 years of art prior with high grades.

Saying there are no prerequisites is just some troll blowing hot air out of their ass (again).

AP Comp specifically has "no prereq" required

What is that? Never heard of it.

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Anonymous wrote:The college board site says they start releasing results on July 8th.

Given past experience, that doesn't mean ALL results will be available first thing on July 8th.

I have kids taking a few starting this week. One kid is really ill with Flu B so has anti-virals and anything else we can pump him with, to be well enough to take them.

There are make-up days at the end of the exam period. Don’t take it sick

Agree!

The make ups are not the same test and my kid heard they can have harder FRQs so be careful.

That would be deemed discrimination and not ethical.

In 2020, the makeup exam had crazy hard questions. My kid shared them with me when she got home and despite having a graduate degree in the fields I thought they were hard questions.

And yet you didn't see the original test questions, so how can you possible judge if they were in fact harder, or equally difficult?

Not PP but there are scenarios where kids might sit for both the original and makeup exam. For example, if scores for the first exam need to be cancelled for some reason (eg a fire alarm in the middle of the test), those students would see the questions on both the original and the makeup exam.

My own child will be in that exact circumstance for an AP test they took earlier this week.

And what that shows is only what is harder for one specific student, whose knowledge and skills may lean towards one test rather than the other. They could equally consider the make up test to be easier. I think you're trying to reinforce the idea the make ups are harder when there is zero evidence to that and also it would create a pattern of discrimination against the later test takers, as has already been noted on this thread. Its just BS, basically. The tests are "different" and that is all.

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Gah. I'm the pp a few pages back whose kid was chill about his first 2 upcoming exams. That all flew out the window last night. He did multiple practice questions yesterday and stayed up last night watching youtube videos for pointers. Just dropped him off and he seems a little more hyped now for sure. He wants to make a 5 on comp sci a so badly.

Now I'm really concerned that he signed up for 5 APs next year. Trying to get him to drop APUSH and do US History Honors instead and keep the other 4.

GL to all your kids - first timers and every one else too -

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Anonymous wrote:The college board site says they start releasing results on July 8th.

Given past experience, that doesn't mean ALL results will be available first thing on July 8th.

I have kids taking a few starting this week. One kid is really ill with Flu B so has anti-virals and anything else we can pump him with, to be well enough to take them.

There are make-up days at the end of the exam period. Don’t take it sick

Agree!

The make ups are not the same test and my kid heard they can have harder FRQs so be careful.

That would be deemed discrimination and not ethical.

In 2020, the makeup exam had crazy hard questions. My kid shared them with me when she got home and despite having a graduate degree in the fields I thought they were hard questions.

And yet you didn't see the original test questions, so how can you possible judge if they were in fact harder, or equally difficult?

Not PP but there are scenarios where kids might sit for both the original and makeup exam. For example, if scores for the first exam need to be cancelled for some reason (eg a fire alarm in the middle of the test), those students would see the questions on both the original and the makeup exam.

My own child will be in that exact circumstance for an AP test they took earlier this week.

And what that shows is only what is harder for one specific student, whose knowledge and skills may lean towards one test rather than the other. They could equally consider the make up test to be easier. I think you're trying to reinforce the idea the make ups are harder when there is zero evidence to that and also it would create a pattern of discrimination against the later test takers, as has already been noted on this thread. It’s just BS, basically. The tests are "different" and that is all.

I’m not disputing that the test are equal, I’m just saying that it is possible for a student to see both the original and the makeup test. The previous poster was quibbling that it isn’t possible to see both tests and that is not correct. Make-up tests are largely for students who missed the first test, but there are clear scenarios where a student might sit for the entirety of both if the scores from the first test are invalidated/cancelled through no fault of the student.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid doesn't care at all. He got into the school he wanted already.

How do I feel? I'm spending my time looking at dorm stuff! lol.

Wow - you guys seem like you really value education!

I didn’t know a parent had to stress out over AP’s to value education. Learn something new every day!

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Anonymous wrote:The college board site says they start releasing results on July 8th.

Given past experience, that doesn't mean ALL results will be available first thing on July 8th.

I have kids taking a few starting this week. One kid is really ill with Flu B so has anti-virals and anything else we can pump him with, to be well enough to take them.

There are make-up days at the end of the exam period. Don’t take it sick

Agree!

The make ups are not the same test and my kid heard they can have harder FRQs so be careful.

That would be deemed discrimination and not ethical.

In 2020, the makeup exam had crazy hard questions. My kid shared them with me when she got home and despite having a graduate degree in the fields I thought they were hard questions.

And yet you didn't see the original test questions, so how can you possible judge if they were in fact harder, or equally difficult?

Not PP but there are scenarios where kids might sit for both the original and makeup exam. For example, if scores for the first exam need to be cancelled for some reason (eg a fire alarm in the middle of the test), those students would see the questions on both the original and the makeup exam.

My own child will be in that exact circumstance for an AP test they took earlier this week.

And what that shows is only what is harder for one specific student, whose knowledge and skills may lean towards one test rather than the other. They could equally consider the make up test to be easier. I think you're trying to reinforce the idea the make ups are harder when there is zero evidence to that and also it would create a pattern of discrimination against the later test takers, as has already been noted on this thread. It’s just BS, basically. The tests are "different" and that is all.

I’m not disputing that the test are equal, I’m just saying that it is possible for a student to see both the original and the makeup test. The previous poster was quibbling that it isn’t possible to see both tests and that is not correct. Make-up tests are largely for students who missed the first test, but there are clear scenarios where a student might sit for the entirety of both if the scores from the first test are invalidated/cancelled through no fault of the student.

That's fair. My DD is taking AP Psych tomorrow and my DS will be doing it on a make up day. If they remember the questions, we'll also have an actual comparison to make.

[Anonymous]

Good Luck everyone on AP COmp A!!!

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Anonymous wrote:The college board site says they start releasing results on July 8th.

Given past experience, that doesn't mean ALL results will be available first thing on July 8th.

I have kids taking a few starting this week. One kid is really ill with Flu B so has anti-virals and anything else we can pump him with, to be well enough to take them.

There are make-up days at the end of the exam period. Don’t take it sick

Agree!

The make ups are not the same test and my kid heard they can have harder FRQs so be careful.

That would be deemed discrimination and not ethical.

In 2020, the makeup exam had crazy hard questions. My kid shared them with me when she got home and despite having a graduate degree in the fields I thought they were hard questions.

And yet you didn't see the original test questions, so how can you possible judge if they were in fact harder, or equally difficult?

Not PP but there are scenarios where kids might sit for both the original and makeup exam. For example, if scores for the first exam need to be cancelled for some reason (eg a fire alarm in the middle of the test), those students would see the questions on both the original and the makeup exam.

My own child will be in that exact circumstance for an AP test they took earlier this week.

And what that shows is only what is harder for one specific student, whose knowledge and skills may lean towards one test rather than the other. They could equally consider the make up test to be easier. I think you're trying to reinforce the idea the make ups are harder when there is zero evidence to that and also it would create a pattern of discrimination against the later test takers, as has already been noted on this thread. It’s just BS, basically. The tests are "different" and that is all.

I’m not disputing that the test are equal, I’m just saying that it is possible for a student to see both the original and the makeup test. The previous poster was quibbling that it isn’t possible to see both tests and that is not correct. Make-up tests are largely for students who missed the first test, but there are clear scenarios where a student might sit for the entirety of both if the scores from the first test are invalidated/cancelled through no fault of the student.

I'm the PP that said the 2021 makeup was harder, at least for the test my kid took that year. I'm not saying the makeups are always harder, but there are fewer kids that take it, so a little harder to norm, and they are always going to have to have different questions, so it's totally possible it might be easier or harder than the primary administration. The kids absolutely share questions after the test -- they are all basically immediately posted to reddit, discord, etc. So it's easy for the kids to compare questions after-the-fact, and they generally have a gestalt opinion about which test was harder. My kid shared the questions with me when they got home, and I did think they were quite difficult, and that is a subject area that I know pretty well. Of course, that was the pandemic year, so they may have had an unusual process for writing/vetting the test questions that year, since it seemed like the whole educational system was in free-fall the year leading up to that test.

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Anonymous wrote:The college board site says they start releasing results on July 8th.

Given past experience, that doesn't mean ALL results will be available first thing on July 8th.

I have kids taking a few starting this week. One kid is really ill with Flu B so has anti-virals and anything else we can pump him with, to be well enough to take them.

There are make-up days at the end of the exam period. Don’t take it sick

Agree!

The make ups are not the same test and my kid heard they can have harder FRQs so be careful.

That would be deemed discrimination and not ethical.

In 2020, the makeup exam had crazy hard questions. My kid shared them with me when she got home and despite having a graduate degree in the fields I thought they were hard questions.

And yet you didn't see the original test questions, so how can you possible judge if they were in fact harder, or equally difficult?

Not PP but there are scenarios where kids might sit for both the original and makeup exam. For example, if scores for the first exam need to be cancelled for some reason (eg a fire alarm in the middle of the test), those students would see the questions on both the original and the makeup exam.

My own child will be in that exact circumstance for an AP test they took earlier this week.

And what that shows is only what is harder for one specific student, whose knowledge and skills may lean towards one test rather than the other. They could equally consider the make up test to be easier. I think you're trying to reinforce the idea the make ups are harder when there is zero evidence to that and also it would create a pattern of discrimination against the later test takers, as has already been noted on this thread. It’s just BS, basically. The tests are "different" and that is all.

I’m not disputing that the test are equal, I’m just saying that it is possible for a student to see both the original and the makeup test. The previous poster was quibbling that it isn’t possible to see both tests and that is not correct. Make-up tests are largely for students who missed the first test, but there are clear scenarios where a student might sit for the entirety of both if the scores from the first test are invalidated/cancelled through no fault of the student.

I'm the PP that said the 2021 makeup was harder, at least for the test my kid took that year. I'm not saying the makeups are always harder, but there are fewer kids that take it, so a little harder to norm, and they are always going to have to have different questions, so it's totally possible it might be easier or harder than the primary administration. The kids absolutely share questions after the test -- they are all basically immediately posted to reddit, discord, etc. So it's easy for the kids to compare questions after-the-fact, and they generally have a gestalt opinion about which test was harder. My kid shared the questions with me when they got home, and I did think they were quite difficult, and that is a subject area that I know pretty well. Of course, that was the pandemic year, so they may have had an unusual process for writing/vetting the test questions that year, since it seemed like the whole educational system was in free-fall the year leading up to that test.

And yet, you're probably not an AP teacher or a writer / grader of the AP exams are you. You're just a parent with an opinion. Pretty worthless really.

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Anonymous wrote:The college board site says they start releasing results on July 8th.

Given past experience, that doesn't mean ALL results will be available first thing on July 8th.

I have kids taking a few starting this week. One kid is really ill with Flu B so has anti-virals and anything else we can pump him with, to be well enough to take them.

There are make-up days at the end of the exam period. Don’t take it sick

Agree!

The make ups are not the same test and my kid heard they can have harder FRQs so be careful.

That would be deemed discrimination and not ethical.

In 2020, the makeup exam had crazy hard questions. My kid shared them with me when she got home and despite having a graduate degree in the fields I thought they were hard questions.

And yet you didn't see the original test questions, so how can you possible judge if they were in fact harder, or equally difficult?

Not PP but there are scenarios where kids might sit for both the original and makeup exam. For example, if scores for the first exam need to be cancelled for some reason (eg a fire alarm in the middle of the test), those students would see the questions on both the original and the makeup exam.

My own child will be in that exact circumstance for an AP test they took earlier this week.

And what that shows is only what is harder for one specific student, whose knowledge and skills may lean towards one test rather than the other. They could equally consider the make up test to be easier. I think you're trying to reinforce the idea the make ups are harder when there is zero evidence to that and also it would create a pattern of discrimination against the later test takers, as has already been noted on this thread. It’s just BS, basically. The tests are "different" and that is all.

I’m not disputing that the test are equal, I’m just saying that it is possible for a student to see both the original and the makeup test. The previous poster was quibbling that it isn’t possible to see both tests and that is not correct. Make-up tests are largely for students who missed the first test, but there are clear scenarios where a student might sit for the entirety of both if the scores from the first test are invalidated/cancelled through no fault of the student.

I'm the PP that said the 2021 makeup was harder, at least for the test my kid took that year. I'm not saying the makeups are always harder, but there are fewer kids that take it, so a little harder to norm, and they are always going to have to have different questions, so it's totally possible it might be easier or harder than the primary administration. The kids absolutely share questions after the test -- they are all basically immediately posted to reddit, discord, etc. So it's easy for the kids to compare questions after-the-fact, and they generally have a gestalt opinion about which test was harder. My kid shared the questions with me when they got home, and I did think they were quite difficult, and that is a subject area that I know pretty well. Of course, that was the pandemic year, so they may have had an unusual process for writing/vetting the test questions that year, since it seemed like the whole educational system was in free-fall the year leading up to that test.

And yet, you're probably not an AP teacher or a writer / grader of the AP exams are you. You're just a parent with an opinion. Pretty worthless really.

are you meme?

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Anonymous wrote:The college board site says they start releasing results on July 8th.

Given past experience, that doesn't mean ALL results will be available first thing on July 8th.

I have kids taking a few starting this week. One kid is really ill with Flu B so has anti-virals and anything else we can pump him with, to be well enough to take them.

There are make-up days at the end of the exam period. Don’t take it sick

Agree!

The make ups are not the same test and my kid heard they can have harder FRQs so be careful.

That would be deemed discrimination and not ethical.

In 2020, the makeup exam had crazy hard questions. My kid shared them with me when she got home and despite having a graduate degree in the fields I thought they were hard questions.

And yet you didn't see the original test questions, so how can you possible judge if they were in fact harder, or equally difficult?

Not PP but there are scenarios where kids might sit for both the original and makeup exam. For example, if scores for the first exam need to be cancelled for some reason (eg a fire alarm in the middle of the test), those students would see the questions on both the original and the makeup exam.

My own child will be in that exact circumstance for an AP test they took earlier this week.

And what that shows is only what is harder for one specific student, whose knowledge and skills may lean towards one test rather than the other. They could equally consider the make up test to be easier. I think you're trying to reinforce the idea the make ups are harder when there is zero evidence to that and also it would create a pattern of discrimination against the later test takers, as has already been noted on this thread. It’s just BS, basically. The tests are "different" and that is all.

I’m not disputing that the test are equal, I’m just saying that it is possible for a student to see both the original and the makeup test. The previous poster was quibbling that it isn’t possible to see both tests and that is not correct. Make-up tests are largely for students who missed the first test, but there are clear scenarios where a student might sit for the entirety of both if the scores from the first test are invalidated/cancelled through no fault of the student.

I'm the PP that said the 2021 makeup was harder, at least for the test my kid took that year. I'm not saying the makeups are always harder, but there are fewer kids that take it, so a little harder to norm, and they are always going to have to have different questions, so it's totally possible it might be easier or harder than the primary administration. The kids absolutely share questions after the test -- they are all basically immediately posted to reddit, discord, etc. So it's easy for the kids to compare questions after-the-fact, and they generally have a gestalt opinion about which test was harder. My kid shared the questions with me when they got home, and I did think they were quite difficult, and that is a subject area that I know pretty well. Of course, that was the pandemic year, so they may have had an unusual process for writing/vetting the test questions that year, since it seemed like the whole educational system was in free-fall the year leading up to that test.

And yet, you're probably not an AP teacher or a writer / grader of the AP exams are you. You're just a parent with an opinion. Pretty worthless really.

are you meme?

sure, whatever you like.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^I messed up my reply. But ok I see what others are saying. Take the ap senior year for:

-potential college credit for gen ed classes you want to skip
-to double major or add a minor
-to free up schedule to graduate early or take fewer classes one semester

All good reasons. So, when they make it through junior year testing madness (PSAT, SAT, APs, final exams), it's a little more relaxed senior year in that good scores will impart some benefits but nothing that's critical for admissions.

yes, AP score-wise senior year could be more relaxed, as most will know where they are going and can look up whether a specific test will gain them anything. However, senior year is not more relaxed in terms of course choice: they need to select the same or higher level of rigor in their course selection as they have had in 11th. A drop in rigor, even a small one, is a problem for elites, and is hammered into our private school kids as half the college counselors used to serve on T25 admissions and still have contacts. They have been saying TO is fake news for private school applicants since 2022 for the elite colleges, unless you are hooked, and encourage reporting every AP score 3 and above (and have for years).

No one is talking about course selection. We're talking about taking the AP exam.

I'm the person pp responded to. They were probably confused because I said, "take ap senior year" for following reasons. I meant to say "take ap exam" for following reason." So I agree with their response that senior year rigor should be equal to junior year, but am wondering if a reported low exam score, an unreported score, or choosing to skip the exam entirely senior year, even if the student received an A or B in the class, would somehow disqualify a student from attending the school they have already committed to.

From reading another thread here on APs, I can see that I'm kind of confused on how and when in the process ap exam scores are reported or not reported/withdrawn?, both for junior and senior years, and need to do more reading on that.

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how was comp a today?