Basketball hoop in street

[Anonymous]

My neighbors have a basketball hoop in the grassy area between sidewalk but facing the street so theoretically that is where one would be playing basketball/using the hoop. In the 2.5 years we have lived here, I've seen them using the hoop twice. I don't care because it's in front of their own house and doesn't really affect me in any way but it does mean that no one ever parks in that spot (they'd be parking directly under the bball hoop) so I can see why it would be annoying if they had placed the hoop in front of someone else's house, blocking the parking spot directly in front of someone else's house.

I don't know if it's illegal but it really is a rude and inconsiderate thing to do. Your neighbors sound like jerks, OP. But unless it's in front of your house, I'd stay out of it.

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Anonymous wrote:It is illegal. Sometimes illegal is irrelevant. Irrelevant to everyday life. You deal with it as a reasonable person - you talk to others. You're part of a community. Op sees no value in talking with her neighbors or being part of a community.

"It is illegal" - do you have a link to the relevant code?

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Anonymous wrote:If it’s on their own property, it’s not illegal. If it’s not, that’s illegal and you have the right to complain. You can report it to the city.

Is the space on the street in front of your house considered your property?

No. This thread is full of a bunch of entitled AHs who complain about kids playing outside in “their” beloved extra parking spot one minute and then probably turn around and complain about excessive screen time for kids and “why don’t kids play outside anymore?” the next minute.

Entitled a-holes like…the kind of person who would put up a basketball hoop in front of their neighbor’s house instead of their own?

The neighbor doesn’t own the street, even if it is *gasp* in front of their house!

No normal person would put it somewhere other than in front of their own house, unless they were an entitled a-hole

Exactly, it is a nuisance to others when it's in front of someone else's house.

Americans hate children, the outdoors, and physical activity. All are considered to be a nuisance.

NP. I love all three of those things, but in my neighborhood, we have tons of basketball hoops, but you rarely see anyone using them. Maybe for a bit when it’s brand new, but eventually the novelty wears off and it just sits there for years.

Do you have cameras trained on the hoops? Do you sit in your living room staring out your front window intently watching these hoops all day? I rarely see my neighbors drive their cars, but that doesn’t mean they rarely drive them, and it certainly doesn’t mean I’m going to try to get their cars towed.

You don't need to look out the window -- bouncing basketballs are very, very loud.

You didn’t say you rarely hear anyone using them, you said you rarely see anyone using them… maybe they are being considerate and using those new fangled extra bouncy foam basketballs.

My neighbor owns an EV. I never hear him use it. I guess that means it’s abandoned.

NP. Oh shit you totally schooled PP! If she said see instead of hear that totally negates the fact that every neighbor can hear every single time anyone is playing basketball right outside

The poster was stating what she believes to be true, presumably because she wants it to be true (that the basketball hoops are rarely used). The poster was not stating what she knows to be true, because as she demonstrated with just the tiniest push back against her assertion, she does not know that the hoops are rarely used. Unless she’s actively monitoring these hoops all day for days on end, she has no clue. (i.e. the “hoops are rarely used” poster was talking out of her a$$)

Hope this helps!

Everyone anywhere nearby knows when someone is playing basketball. You conceded this when you said the kids must be using new-fangled foam balls, because even you know normal bballs make a ton of noise. Anyone who works from home is well aware of any basketball happening on their block.

Unless the kids are using the new fangled foam balls, as you just mentioned. I don’t understand why this is so difficult for you.

But this argument is also funny because you are essentially complaining that the hoops are unused and so shouldn’t be there because they are a nuisance, even though by your own admission you never hear or see anyone using them… so is the lack of noise the nuisance? They’re taking up valuable real estate where a car could be idling?

If no one has seen or heard the hoop being used in a very long time, why should it remain? Especially in front of someone else’s house

OP here. It does get used. And I know this because I can hear it. But often not by the kids of the family that put it there. And not by the kids in the house they put it in front of either.

No where have you mentioned talking to the neighbor whose house it is in front of. So it’s very likely the hoop owners asked the hoop hosters if they could place the hoop in front of their house — I’m assuming there is some difference in grade or traffic flow or whatnot thst makes sense. You have no idea, just upset that a hoop is on the street.

It’s getting used, apparently by the whole community (which is often the intent) which is nice for some people, clearly not for you. Do you have kids?

The reason it’s on the street is two fold — you said there is limited parking, which means the owners likely want to keep their drive way free to park because the street can be limited. The basketball does consume some parking space area but much less than a car so may not really impact capacity greatly but if the street is always full, you might get the county to move it. Just take regular photos.

But they put it on public land for the public to use, so you really need to show harm to community.

Is this Lyon Village? What else has such limited parking with SFH?

But you are unlikely to prevail here, these are all over Arlington and this one gets used.

Wow, lots of strong feelings about b-ball hoops! Sure there are some benefits to a b-ball hoop in the street (exercise, kids enjoyment, can be shared). But there are also downsides (takes up parking, noise, can damage cars, unsafe).

The problem is that by putting their b-ball hoop in the street in front of another's house without permission, b-ball hoop owner gets all the benefits and passes all the problems onto their neighbor. Who thinks that's ok and why?

Is shooting hoops an inherently unsafe activity, or is it maybe the cars that make the streets unsafe?

Why do you think streets exist? Is it for people playing basketball or is it for cars to drive/park?

Why do you think neighborhoods exist? Are they for people to live/raise their families or just to drive/store their cars?

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Do this. And if they don't move it within 24 hours, I would consider it abandoned property and I would put it on the listserv/Nextdoor and saying free basketball hoop, yours if you move it.

But I can be a b1tch. YMMV.

Would you do the same if they parked their car on the public street in front of your house?

Cars and basketball hoops are entirely different. One belongs in the street and one does not.

According to whom? You? I assume the only difference in your broken brain is that you personally get some benefit out of placing your private property in a publicly owned space, so cars are okie dokie, but because you have no use for a basketball hoop someone else’s private property in a public space is a nuisance…

Are you insane? Seriously wondering. You are trying to argue that cars don't belong in the street?

It’s a simple question. Do people have the right to store their private property on the public street? Yes or no?

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Anonymous wrote:Someone on my street does this despite there being a public elementary school with a half court and hoop 1 block away.

I bet the school has a parking lot, too, yet people keep parking their personal vehicles right in the street. SMDH.

Cars belong in street. Street parking and parking lots are not bad things. Basketball hoops that get in the way of parking are a nuisance. You may not like any if this, but you cannot order or trick others into agreeing with you.

What if I put the basketball hoop in my driveway and make sure to always park my car in the street instead? Will that clear the way for more street parking?

If you are parking the car in front of your own house bc the hoop is in the driveway, that's fine. If you put the hoop in front of someone else's house, therefore blocking them/their guests from parking in front of their own house, that's not fine.

What if I put the hoop in my driveway and park my car in front of your house?

[Anonymous]

Brunch granny, are you OP? OP, do you really have the bandwidth to care this much about a basketball hoop in front of a neighbor’s house. If you do, I’m sure you could volunteer at the local rec center to ensure kids need not use a street basketball hoop.

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Anonymous wrote:It is illegal. Sometimes illegal is irrelevant. Irrelevant to everyday life. You deal with it as a reasonable person - you talk to others. You're part of a community. Op sees no value in talking with her neighbors or being part of a community.

"It is illegal" - do you have a link to the relevant code?

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DP. It depends on where you live. Look for encroachments in the municipal code for your locality.

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Anonymous wrote:It is illegal. Sometimes illegal is irrelevant. Irrelevant to everyday life. You deal with it as a reasonable person - you talk to others. You're part of a community. Op sees no value in talking with her neighbors or being part of a community.

"It is illegal" - do you have a link to the relevant code?

thx!

DP. It depends on where you live. Look for encroachments in the municipal code for your locality.

Thank you!!! Best response on here, and you made the whole thread worth it.

It looks like it's a class 4 misdeameanor if I'm reading this right. Amirite, lawyers?

https://www.arlingtonva.us/files/sharedassets/public/v/1/food-study/chapter-70.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:This is why you walk over and talk with neighbors.

You mean the neighbors that put the hoop up, right? They should have asked before doing this.

OP- I'd just break the base so it can't stay up right.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone on my street does this despite there being a public elementary school with a half court and hoop 1 block away.

I bet the school has a parking lot, too, yet people keep parking their personal vehicles right in the street. SMDH.

Cars belong in street. Street parking and parking lots are not bad things. Basketball hoops that get in the way of parking are a nuisance. You may not like any if this, but you cannot order or trick others into agreeing with you.

What if I put the basketball hoop in my driveway and make sure to always park my car in the street instead? Will that clear the way for more street parking?

If you are parking the car in front of your own house bc the hoop is in the driveway, that's fine. If you put the hoop in front of someone else's house, therefore blocking them/their guests from parking in front of their own house, that's not fine.

What if I put the hoop in my driveway and park my car in front of your house?

Then I park at the end of your driveway, denying you use of the hoop.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why you walk over and talk with neighbors.

Do this. And if they don't move it within 24 hours, I would consider it abandoned property and I would put it on the listserv/Nextdoor and saying free basketball hoop, yours if you move it.

But I can be a b1tch. YMMV.

Would you do the same if they parked their car on the public street in front of your house?

Cars and basketball hoops are entirely different. One belongs in the street and one does not.

According to whom? You? I assume the only difference in your broken brain is that you personally get some benefit out of placing your private property in a publicly owned space, so cars are okie dokie, but because you have no use for a basketball hoop someone else’s private property in a public space is a nuisance…

Are you insane? Seriously wondering. You are trying to argue that cars don't belong in the street?

It’s a simple question. Do people have the right to store their private property on the public street? Yes or no?

We can parse on the word 'store', but, yes, you do have the right.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why you walk over and talk with neighbors.

Do this. And if they don't move it within 24 hours, I would consider it abandoned property and I would put it on the listserv/Nextdoor and saying free basketball hoop, yours if you move it.

But I can be a b1tch. YMMV.

Would you do the same if they parked their car on the public street in front of your house?

Cars and basketball hoops are entirely different. One belongs in the street and one does not.

According to whom? You? I assume the only difference in your broken brain is that you personally get some benefit out of placing your private property in a publicly owned space, so cars are okie dokie, but because you have no use for a basketball hoop someone else’s private property in a public space is a nuisance…

Are you insane? Seriously wondering. You are trying to argue that cars don't belong in the street?

It’s a simple question. Do people have the right to store their private property on the public street? Yes or no?

We can parse on the word 'store', but, yes, you do have the right.

no you don't

[Anonymous]

The hoop is a nuisance because it creates a lot of noise if it is used frequently. You can therefore complain to the county. Once when I was driving a basketball came flying and hitting the hood of my car. A kid darted in front of my car to catch it. It was an accident waiting to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:The hoop is a nuisance because it creates a lot of noise if it is used frequently. You can therefore complain to the county. Once when I was driving a basketball came flying and hitting the hood of my car. A kid darted in front of my car to catch it. It was an accident waiting to happen.

A basketball being dribbled on pavement produces approximately 50 decibels. A car being driven on pavement at 30 mph produces anywhere from 35-70 decibels. Just for your reference.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why you walk over and talk with neighbors.

Do this. And if they don't move it within 24 hours, I would consider it abandoned property and I would put it on the listserv/Nextdoor and saying free basketball hoop, yours if you move it.

But I can be a b1tch. YMMV.

Would you do the same if they parked their car on the public street in front of your house?

Cars and basketball hoops are entirely different. One belongs in the street and one does not.

According to whom? You? I assume the only difference in your broken brain is that you personally get some benefit out of placing your private property in a publicly owned space, so cars are okie dokie, but because you have no use for a basketball hoop someone else’s private property in a public space is a nuisance…

Are you insane? Seriously wondering. You are trying to argue that cars don't belong in the street?

It’s a simple question. Do people have the right to store their private property on the public street? Yes or no?

We can parse on the word 'store', but, yes, you do have the right.

no you don't

So you’ll stop parking (i.e. storing) your car (i.e. your private property) on the public street? Excellent.