Birth rate plummets

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s tied to women’s level of eduction.
When women are educated and have choices, they make better ones.
😁

I think it depends. Wealthy women can have more kids, and some choose to do so, while others don't for whatever reason.

Ivanka Trump has 3 kids.
Melania has 1, probably because her husband is too old to be a dad again to an infant.

Melania has one because she's in a transactional marriage and a child guarantees her place as a wife. I also think she wanted a child and loves/is a good mother to Barron.

This makes no sense. Plenty of men divorce the mothers of their children, Trump included.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New poster.
I am surprised about birth rates going down. I live in an area with many immigrants and they have 3+ kids, seems like most of them.

Generally, immigrants have more kids, and that's why immigrants are necessary to keep our working population at a certain level. If we only rely on "real" Americans, the working population would decline, which is bad for the economy.

This is partly why forced-birthers want to ban abortion.

How are immigrants able to afford 3+ kids while “real” Americans aren’t?

It’s not about money. It’s about trade offs. More and more adults aren’t willing to sacrifice for kids.

It could be that more and more adults aren't willing to bring children in the world knowing that there is a 99% chance of Donald Trump or Joe Biden being the most powerful person in the world until 2029. There will be a great deal of uncertainty and turmoil in the world over the next 4 to 5 years and possibly longer if we fail to elect a someone with POTUS caliber leadership skills once again in 2028.

If this is what people are basing the decision to have or not to have children, they are just plain stupid. Unable to think about the long term.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes, most of you have way too much anxiety. No wonder the kids are so anxious and depressed. Repeat after me. You live in the most prosperous community that has ever existed in human history. If you cannot find a way to have a child that you want in this society, then it's not our country that is the problem (and I'm not saying country is perfect). It's you.

For those who don't want kids, great. Don't have them. It is the people who claim they would love kids but just can't because of x,y,z.

Let's see if you still feel the same way after 20 years and climate change makes food and water scarce.

You know literally nothing about the effects of climate change. Your one sentence is all the evidence needed. It isn't remotely true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes, most of you have way too much anxiety. No wonder the kids are so anxious and depressed. Repeat after me. You live in the most prosperous community that has ever existed in human history. If you cannot find a way to have a child that you want in this society, then it's not our country that is the problem (and I'm not saying country is perfect). It's you.

For those who don't want kids, great. Don't have them. It is the people who claim they would love kids but just can't because of x,y,z.

Let's see if you still feel the same way after 20 years and climate change makes food and water scarce.

You know literally nothing about the effects of climate change. Your one sentence is all the evidence needed. It isn't remotely true.

Climate change will have winners and mostly losers like many other things. People in loser areas may not want to bring kids to an uninhabitable area.

[Anonymous]

Oh, please. Any parent who tells you that they did not make sacrifices to have children are just lying or are not very good parents.
And, how do you know that one of the children that I gave birth to and sacrificed for is not the next Einstein or Mother Theresa?

Or the next Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy.

Or Trump, Epstein, Maxwell, Weinstein, most of the SCJ, W Bush, 2A freaks, mass shooters, pedophiles, rapists, career criminals, Pulpit pricks, and the garden variety MTGs

[Anonymous]

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A sacrifice is something that isn't adequately compensated. By definition, you lose more by it than you gain. It's not a "sacrifice" if you get more from it than you give.

Are you saying that having children doesn't come with more blessings than it is worth to do?

Define "blessings".

Sure. Since I was responding to this lady's comment, let's use whatever definition she was referencing.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of factors.

Women wanting a career more than a family.
Young people not wanting to marry let alone start a family.
Young people more interested in social media than actual human contact.
Egocentricity - more concerned with one's own needs and not wanting to worry about the needs of another.
The economy and unwillingness to sacrifice luxuries for the benefit of another.

The world does not need more humans. Having a baby is selfish and done to fulfill one's self. You are not making some grand sacrifice for the world, this is about you and yours.

A sacrifice is something that isn't adequately compensated. By definition, you lose more by it than you gain.

Are you saying that having children doesn't come with more blessings than it is worth to do?
If everyone stopped having babies, humans would cease to exist. Seems that is what you want.
Despite your beliefs, having children is a sacrifice. It is also a blessing and an experience so rewarding that those who choose to not have children will never experience.

Okay, so it's a sacrifice, but it's also "a blessing and an experience so rewarding." Sounds like you think this blessing and rewarding experience is a terrific benefit to you overall. Great. Go for it. But that's not a grand sacrifice overall that you are doing to benefit humanity instead of yourself. You just contradicted that.

Oh, please. Any parent who tells you that they did not make sacrifices to have children are just lying or are not very good parents.
And, how do you know that one of the children that I gave birth to and sacrificed for is not the next Einstein or Mother Theresa?
There is no contradiction to saying that having kids is both a sacrifice and a blessing and rewarding experience.
You don't want kids? Fine. Don't have them. But, don't go around criticizing others for wanting the joy of having a family.

[Anonymous]

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Oh, please. Any parent who tells you that they did not make sacrifices to have children are just lying or are not very good parents.
And, how do you know that one of the children that I gave birth to and sacrificed for is not the next Einstein or Mother Theresa?

Or the next Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy.

Or Trump, Epstein, Maxwell, Weinstein, most of the SCJ, W Bush, 2A freaks, mass shooters, pedophiles, rapists, career criminals, Pulpit pricks, and the garden variety MTGs

You forget that this woman is out there producing Mother Theresa and Einstein. We're supposed to be on our knees thanking her for the sacrifice, and also recognize that she's having the best amazing life ever. It's called poor-thing/be-jealous syndrome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have these reports included any information on whether the decline is a choice or rising infertility rates? I am a bit concerned about that. That must be playing a role.

We are seeing dramatic declines in testosterone levels in the western world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Oh, please. Any parent who tells you that they did not make sacrifices to have children are just lying or are not very good parents.
And, how do you know that one of the children that I gave birth to and sacrificed for is not the next Einstein or Mother Theresa?

Or the next Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy.

Or Trump, Epstein, Maxwell, Weinstein, most of the SCJ, W Bush, 2A freaks, mass shooters, pedophiles, rapists, career criminals, Pulpit pricks, and the garden variety MTGs

You forget that this woman is out there producing Mother Theresa and Einstein. We're supposed to be on our knees thanking her for the sacrifice, and also recognize that she's having the best amazing life ever. It's called poor-thing/be-jealous syndrome.

I certainly would. I’m just not seeing the evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s tied to women’s level of eduction.
When women are educated and have choices, they make better ones.
😁

I think it depends. Wealthy women can have more kids, and some choose to do so, while others don't for whatever reason.

Ivanka Trump has 3 kids.
Melania has 1, probably because her husband is too old to be a dad again to an infant.

Melania has one because she's in a transactional marriage and a child guarantees her place as a wife. I also think she wanted a child and loves/is a good mother to Barron.

This makes no sense. Plenty of men divorce the mothers of their children, Trump included.

But a kid keeps you tied to the money train.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New poster.
I am surprised about birth rates going down. I live in an area with many immigrants and they have 3+ kids, seems like most of them.

Generally, immigrants have more kids, and that's why immigrants are necessary to keep our working population at a certain level. If we only rely on "real" Americans, the working population would decline, which is bad for the economy.

This is partly why forced-birthers want to ban abortion.

How are immigrants able to afford 3+ kids while “real” Americans aren’t?

It’s not about money. It’s about trade offs. More and more adults aren’t willing to sacrifice for kids.

It could be that more and more adults aren't willing to bring children in the world knowing that there is a 99% chance of Donald Trump or Joe Biden being the most powerful person in the world until 2029. There will be a great deal of uncertainty and turmoil in the world over the next 4 to 5 years and possibly longer if we fail to elect a someone with POTUS caliber leadership skills once again in 2028.

There's no issue if Biden remains president


If Trump slithers his way into office, the US is done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New poster.
I am surprised about birth rates going down. I live in an area with many immigrants and they have 3+ kids, seems like most of them.

Generally, immigrants have more kids, and that's why immigrants are necessary to keep our working population at a certain level. If we only rely on "real" Americans, the working population would decline, which is bad for the economy.

This is partly why forced-birthers want to ban abortion.

How are immigrants able to afford 3+ kids while “real” Americans aren’t?

It’s not about money. It’s about trade offs. More and more adults aren’t willing to sacrifice for kids.

It could be that more and more adults aren't willing to bring children in the world knowing that there is a 99% chance of Donald Trump or Joe Biden being the most powerful person in the world until 2029. There will be a great deal of uncertainty and turmoil in the world over the next 4 to 5 years and possibly longer if we fail to elect a someone with POTUS caliber leadership skills once again in 2028.

There's no issue if Biden remains president


If Trump slithers his way into office, the US is done.

Actually, it is just the reverse.
We had peace, economic stability, and much more freedom under Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are member of a group no kids till Biden resigned

Literally praying that all of your social circle’s ovaries and testes shrivel and wither away during Biden’s second term. For the betterment of humanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New poster.
I am surprised about birth rates going down. I live in an area with many immigrants and they have 3+ kids, seems like most of them.

Generally, immigrants have more kids, and that's why immigrants are necessary to keep our working population at a certain level. If we only rely on "real" Americans, the working population would decline, which is bad for the economy.

This is partly why forced-birthers want to ban abortion.

How are immigrants able to afford 3+ kids while “real” Americans aren’t?

It’s not about money. It’s about trade offs. More and more adults aren’t willing to sacrifice for kids.

It could be that more and more adults aren't willing to bring children in the world knowing that there is a 99% chance of Donald Trump or Joe Biden being the most powerful person in the world until 2029. There will be a great deal of uncertainty and turmoil in the world over the next 4 to 5 years and possibly longer if we fail to elect a someone with POTUS caliber leadership skills once again in 2028.

If this is what people are basing the decision to have or not to have children, they are just plain stupid. Unable to think about the long term.

That PP is 100% a both sides Republican looking to stir the pot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Oh, please. Any parent who tells you that they did not make sacrifices to have children are just lying or are not very good parents.
And, how do you know that one of the children that I gave birth to and sacrificed for is not the next Einstein or Mother Theresa?

Or the next Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy.

Or Trump, Epstein, Maxwell, Weinstein, most of the SCJ, W Bush, 2A freaks, mass shooters, pedophiles, rapists, career criminals, Pulpit pricks, and the garden variety MTGs

You forget that this woman is out there producing Mother Theresa and Einstein. We're supposed to be on our knees thanking her for the sacrifice, and also recognize that she's having the best amazing life ever. It's called poor-thing/be-jealous syndrome.

Actually most of the unwanted children will more likely grow up to be criminals and / or dealing with some sort of trauma their whole life. Maybe once in a while, one will be a genius and successful.

I have relatives forced birthed before Roe v Wade, mainly because abortion was illegal, and things didn't turn out too well for them even though they had both parents and a stable home. It was pretty obvious the parents were overwhelmed and could barely take care of them.

Now no one in that whole branch of forced births has been able to get a college education, or even get a marriage to last. It looks like the third generation after them is now getting it together and getting married before having kids and at least going to trade school. That's how long it took. Good luck red states.