Trump voters are minority of a minority(GOP actually lost to Obama twice). So the majority are not with trump, just so you know. |
Supporting Clinton - hardly Similarly, I cannot support Hillary Clinton, a divisive and untrustworthy candidate who will advance and extend failed Obama policies that have greatly weakened our nation's economy and security. I share this with you because, as a former governor and federal cabinet secretary, inquisitive journalists routinely ask me to which candidate I'll be lending my support - Tom Ridge On a similar note - Karl Rove, supporting HRC - HAAAAAAAA |
You think that not getting the endorsements of Hank Paulson, Robert Kagan, Richard Armitage, etc will have an actual effect on this election. I am a longtime Hillary supporter, and I am truly frightened at the prospect of Trump winning. You seem to think that Hillary will win easily. That is a dangerous assumption. From The Hill: The CBS News Battleground Tracker Poll found Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee, has 43 percent support in 11 battleground states, while GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump has 41 percent support. In the same poll last week, Trump led Clinton 42 percent to 41 percent. Clinton's gains came from Democrats who had been undecided before the convention. Virtually no one is going back and forth between Trump and Clinton. Nobody gives a damn who George Will supports. A meaningless list. |
I agree. These are mostly the "establishment" that Trump has been railing against. Why would they back him? It would not surprise me if Trump reads some of these names at one of his rallies and tells people what he is up against with establishment Republicans opposing him - and how he is fighting for the "average" working person who has been shafted by the establishment. It is a message that will resonate. |
It truly doesn't matter. The same people tried hard and couldn't derail Trump in the Republican primary. These people will have zero effects on independents and democrats. They are frightened about losing their power. |
It is not to dissuade Trump voters. They are a lost cause. The list is not comprehensive and generally the people on the list motivate independent and moderate republicans. So the loss of big name republicans doesn't come without a loss. Independents who lean republican and fiscal moderate republicans are not insignificant and Trump can't win without them. Trump's pipe dream of getting democrats to cross over will not work because as he is getting those votes, he is bleeding moderate republican votes and women votes. |
This exactly. |
Under normal circumstances you would be right. What makes it different this time is that many independents and moderate Republicans have an aversion to Hillary Clinton. They view it as a choice between two evils and for the groups you identified she is the worse of the two. She is so widely distrusted as evidenced in the polls. The other huge issue is the Supreme Court. I have a friend who dislikes Trump intensely but he said he is going to vote for him because he does not want HRC appointing judges to the court. Don't underestimate this factor - it is as decisive as it is for Democrats who don't like Clinton but will vote for her because of court appointments. Trump realizes this and that is why he said at a recent rally that even those people who don't like him will vote for him because of the Supreme court. |
My moderate fiscal conservative republican family is socially left leaning. Supreme court judges don't alter the basic capitalism of this country. They may help with social causes BUT even that is doubtful because the judges change with time. Thats why so called conservative judges over a long period of time vote progressive. That won't change no matter who is nominated. So not worried much about that. But stopping trade will destroy America. We are not a super power when it comes to market size. We are only 300 million, China and India alone are 2.5 billion. So as far as trade goes, we benefit from trade as most american companies make more than 50% of their revenue from outside. Trump can destroy this country's economy and create a depression. I am fairly well to do and I don't want stock market to crash and wipe out accumulated wealth because if Trump is elected stock markets will crash bringing in recession. As to the main point, no matter what, trump has a much narrower path than Hillary. This is the same country which voted for Obama twice and he won very comfortably in the end. Where do the republicans get their votes? Dems will beat trump with his Made in China and him still recruiting foreigners(as of 3 days ago) at the cost of american workers. Besides he is a gift that never stops giving. Structurally this country is tilted left and that won't change in this election. Trump will gain some and lose some and that is status quo. That equation only gets worse for trump as he spews for the next 100 days. |
You lost me here? Are you just making stuff up? Trump wants trade deals that are better for America middle class, not stopping trade. This is unlike the Dems and Clinton. The Dems have abandoned the middle class. These people worry about their future and their children's future. You call them stupid and racist and keep push the same policies that destoried most of the middle class in this country. This is why the democrats will suffer the same faith as the republicans. The rank and file will revolt. Let's face it, our retirement system is disaster, college is too expensive, the tax system favor investment class over manufacturing, trade deals export jobs while investment banks make money, real wages have not increased since 1972 and the financial system is rigged against the consumer. You think it's about Trump vs Hillary? It's not. |
Since when did people like Ted Cruz and Mark Cuban become part of the "Republican establishment"? Sounds like you just define "Republican establishment" as everyone who's not supporting Trump. Face it, he's a clown, and he's losing a big piece of the Republican party. That's not going to translate in November. |
I don't think they're so concerned about losing their power so much as they're finally realizing the Golem of uneducated, racist and crazy they've unleashed on the world. |
Precisely why he is so careful about sourcing his clothes to American factories, why he pays all his debts to vendors on time and in full and why he stresses the importance of hiring Americans first and at a living wage. You are being duped! |
True. And the electoral map, which already favors the democrats, looks nearly impossible for Trump. Just ask the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/donald-trump-presidential-race.html?_r=0 PS: if you are a Republican who might lose Arizona, it's time to be very alarmed. |
You did not read fully and you probably don't understand how trade works. Europe formed a large trading block so they can compete with USA and China. US is small compared to China, India and Europe. So without a large zone such as NAFTA, US is too small when it comes to trade. If US doesn't create trade deals isolating China, China will push ahead with its own trade deals that increases its already huge market. China has already created a World bank competitor in which everyone(germany, France,India,UK,Brazil etc) but the USA and Japan are members. The way market works is if you try to do anything to alter the existing system, it will react badly. UK is entering a recession because UK is a net loser when it pulls back from a LARGER economic union. The same applies to the USA but in a limited manner. NAFTA is a net benefit for the USA because it did create jobs at the white collar level. So educated Americans benefit from trade. As for the poorly educated, their jobs are taken over by machines. The blue collar job losses has to be addressed by a better income distribution, retraining, infrastructure funding etc. Have you been to any manufacturing unit? Machines do most of the job. Heck, I went to a wine tasting in a local winery. They operate the entire winery with 10 people. A combination of sensors, machines and computers do everything. The tour guide was proudly proclaiming that the winery had 50 workers 20 years ago but today machines do a better job than humans - fewer broken bottles, better productivity. and higher margin. This is the reality Americans are not willing to face. |