Wisconsin avenue Giant development shut down again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they sell it and the new owner builds condos at max density.

I hear that the condo project above the Janney schoolyard and Tenley library has come back alive -- 9 or 10 floor project. DC wants maximum density there. It will be convenient for the new condo families to have Janney so close!

How dare they. The Clarendonization of Tenleytown and AU Park needs to stop. We want the old DC. I'm tired of yuppies and their Volvos, and driving up prices etc.

Signed,

Old AU Park curmudgeon who still has 1940s awnings on his front door.

Now you'll have to drive up to Chevy Chase and shop at the Connecticut Safeway.

[Anonymous]

The Chevy Chase Safeway is a nice, "neigborhoody" grocery store. So is the one in the Palisades. They have a good selection and are easy to use. I don't like the 60,000+ square feet, pseudo-WalMart superstores that Giant (and Safeway to a lesser extent) are building. They're overwhelming and lack the local feel. I know they have a larger selection, but I don't need a choice of 165 different kinds and sizes of potato chips!

[Anonymous]

The irony I find...the opposition recently posted on the neighborhood Yahoo Group that they would be ok with a three story development instead of the 5 proposed. The original proposal, with streetfront retail, etc was for two stories across the board.

Oh, to go back to 1999.

Oh, and for the person who suggested that Giant went to the wrong city board for approval..that is what the current appeal is about. It hasn't been decided, but case law suggests that the Zoning Commission has jurisdiction over the BZA, so in other words, that is bunk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they sell it and the new owner builds condos at max density.

I hear that the condo project above the Janney schoolyard and Tenley library has come back alive -- 9 or 10 floor project. DC wants maximum density there. It will be convenient for the new condo families to have Janney so close!

How dare they. The Clarendonization of Tenleytown and AU Park needs to stop. We want the old DC. I'm tired of yuppies and their Volvos, and driving up prices etc.

Signed,

Old AU Park curmudgeon who still has 1940s awnings on his front door.

You can't have the old DC. Time marches on... as it always has.

[Anonymous]

You can't have the old DC. Time marches on... as it always has.

Actually, you can have it. It's called Cleveland Park, along both the Conn. and Wisc. Ave corridors. Also Chevy Chase DC along Conn. Ave. above Military.

I'm on a local historical board and have access to some pretty deep photo archives. The areas I list above haven't changed, at ALL, since the 1930s. Well, with the exception of a few tall apartment bldgs. like McLean gardens tower. But that's it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You can't have the old DC. Time marches on... as it always has.

Actually, you can have it. It's called Cleveland Park, along both the Conn. and Wisc. Ave corridors. Also Chevy Chase DC along Conn. Ave. above Military.

I'm on a local historical board and have access to some pretty deep photo archives. The areas I list above haven't changed, at ALL, since the 1930s. Well, with the exception of a few tall apartment bldgs. like McLean gardens tower. But that's it.

Yeah - but I think that's what rational people are trying to change. It's an inefficient use of resources to continue to support a suburban lifestyle in relatively close-in DC - thus the pushes for increased density in Cleveland Park. If you want a suburban existence, Bethesda awaits.

[Anonymous]

"If you want a suburban existence, Bethesda awaits."

Actually, central Bethesda (and the Rosslyn-Balston corridor) are a lot more urban than Northwest Washington, so the traditional city vs suburb distinction is increasingly meaningless. If the push is to bring Bethesda-style density to more of NW DC, expect that neighborhoods from Chevy Chase DC to AU Park to Cleveland Park will demand Edgemoor-style protections -- the 24/7 residents-only street parking and do-not-enter restrictions on the side streets that characterize that residential neighborhood that abuts central Bethesda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You can't have the old DC. Time marches on... as it always has.

Actually, you can have it. It's called Cleveland Park, along both the Conn. and Wisc. Ave corridors. Also Chevy Chase DC along Conn. Ave. above Military.

I'm on a local historical board and have access to some pretty deep photo archives. The areas I list above haven't changed, at ALL, since the 1930s. Well, with the exception of a few tall apartment bldgs. like McLean gardens tower. But that's it.

Yeah - but I think that's what rational people are trying to change. It's an inefficient use of resources to continue to support a suburban lifestyle in relatively close-in DC - thus the pushes for increased density in Cleveland Park. If you want a suburban existence, Bethesda awaits.

No. I want a suburban existance and I want it IN DC. I'm not going to move and guess what, I paid $200,000 for a house here in Cleveland Park that is now worth $3MM so I'm going to put my foot down and oppose this. IF this comes through our property values will fall, there will be more young people around which means more minorities and more crime. We have more power than the people who live in McLean Gardens.

Signed,

Cleveland Park Native

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
No. I want a suburban existance and I want it IN DC. I'm not going to move and guess what, I paid $200,000 for a house here in Cleveland Park that is now worth $3MM so I'm going to put my foot down and oppose this. IF this comes through our property values will fall, there will be more young people around which means more minorities and more crime. We have more power than the people who live in McLean Gardens.

Signed,

Cleveland Park Native

Wow, it's not just your house that is stuck in the 1940s, is it? I think I just lost sympathy with the preservationists.

[Anonymous]

No. I want a suburban existance and I want it IN DC. I'm not going to move and guess what, I paid $200,000 for a house here in Cleveland Park that is now worth $3MM so I'm going to put my foot down and oppose this. IF this comes through our property values will fall, there will be more young people around which means more minorities and more crime. We have more power than the people who live in McLean Gardens.

Signed,

Cleveland Park Native

You really had me going until the minorities comment. Now I recognize that this was tongue-in-cheek.

Right?

Seriously, right?

[Anonymous]

"case law suggests that the Zoning Commission has jurisdiction over the BZA, so in other words, that is bunk."

Apparently Giant's potential financing partners don't think it's "bunk," as no one will commit financing until the legal issues are resolved. And the DC attorney general didn't think it was bunk either, because his office undercut Giant's legal theory when they filed papers with the DC court of appeals.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No. I want a suburban existance and I want it IN DC. I'm not going to move and guess what, I paid $200,000 for a house here in Cleveland Park that is now worth $3MM so I'm going to put my foot down and oppose this. IF this comes through our property values will fall, there will be more young people around which means more minorities and more crime. We have more power than the people who live in McLean Gardens.

Signed,

Cleveland Park Native

Wow, it's not just your house that is stuck in the 1940s, is it? I think I just lost sympathy with the preservationists.

It was a JOKE. I was being satirical and playing on the fears of the people who live in CP.

[Anonymous]

AnonymousYeah - but I think that's what rational people are trying to change. It's an inefficient use of resources to continue to support a suburban lifestyle in relatively close-in DC - thus the pushes for increased density in Cleveland Park. If you want a suburban existence, Bethesda awaits. [/quote wrote:

There is density by Cleveland Park. It's called Van Ness. :<

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No. I want a suburban existance and I want it IN DC. I'm not going to move and guess what, I paid $200,000 for a house here in Cleveland Park that is now worth $3MM so I'm going to put my foot down and oppose this. IF this comes through our property values will fall, there will be more young people around which means more minorities and more crime. We have more power than the people who live in McLean Gardens.

Signed,

Cleveland Park Native

Wow, it's not just your house that is stuck in the 1940s, is it? I think I just lost sympathy with the preservationists.

It was a JOKE. I was being satirical and playing on the fears of the people who live in CP.

Jokes are prohibited before 11 am. I haven't completely woken up until then.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No. I want a suburban existance and I want it IN DC. I'm not going to move and guess what, I paid $200,000 for a house here in Cleveland Park that is now worth $3MM so I'm going to put my foot down and oppose this. IF this comes through our property values will fall, there will be more young people around which means more minorities and more crime. We have more power than the people who live in McLean Gardens.

Signed,

Cleveland Park Native

Wow, it's not just your house that is stuck in the 1940s, is it? I think I just lost sympathy with the preservationists.

It was a JOKE. I was being satirical and playing on the fears of the people who live in CP.

Plus most of the people in CP that don't want this development don't know how to use the internet. That being said I DO live in Cleveland Park and was talking with an older neighbor when the new Safeway opened and he said " I don't want to have to go through all that hassle just to buy some meat". While they may live in DC they love their "village in the city" and can't seem to realize that that mostly won't change. The people in Cleveland Park remind me of the people from the M Night Shyamalan movie "The Village" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Village_(2004_film)
Jokes are prohibited before 11 am. I haven't completely woken up until then.