Some facts for the anti vaccination crowd

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Measles is not a deadly disease.

Watch the Brady Bunch. All the kids come down with the measles. It was a common sickness back then.

And before it's mentioned...In developing countries people are more likely to die of dehydration related to a fever from an illness than from the actual disease itself. So its actually lack of drinking water that kills them - not measles.

See... This person is within her right to be as ignorant as humanly possible.

PP- you realize the Brady Bunch is for pretend, right?

LOL! You are truly an idiot. Do you even realize that kids back then were not even routinely vaccinated for measles and mumps. When that episode for the Brady Bunch aired no one rioted, picketed or even though it was out of the ordinary because guess what? Measles was just being sick - NOT THE FREAKIN' END OF THE WORLD. Can you believe a whole entire generation of children never got vaccinated for it and grew up and became adults and didn't suffer any consequences.

Really, I truly don't care if measles comes "makes come back." Hell I was never even vaccinated for it nor were my siblings and I am pretty sure they all had it as kids and at least one of them had mumps. You

I am all for vaccines against actual diseases but measles, mumps and chicken pox, meh. don't see the point

Oh and btw my kid is super healthy. My kid has never even managed to catch the flu so I have very little concern at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: LOL! You are truly an idiot. Do you even realize that kids back then were not even routinely vaccinated for measles and mumps. When that episode for the Brady Bunch aired no one rioted, picketed or even though it was out of the ordinary because guess what? Measles was just being sick - NOT THE FREAKIN' END OF THE WORLD. Can you believe a whole entire generation of children never got vaccinated for it and grew up and became adults and didn't suffer any consequences.

Really, I truly don't care if measles comes "makes come back." Hell I was never even vaccinated for it nor were my siblings and I am pretty sure they all had it as kids and at least one of them had mumps. You

I am all for vaccines against actual diseases but measles, mumps and chicken pox, meh. don't see the point

Oh and btw my kid is super healthy. My kid has never even managed to catch the flu so I have very little concern at this point.

This has got to be a joke - Seriously. Some facts: Before measles vaccination was introduced in the United States in the mid-1960s, more than half a million cases of measles were reported each year. By the mid-1970s, fewer than 50,000 cases were being reported annually in the United States, but a severe outbreak in Los Angeles in 1977 (children died) led to compulsory immunization of schoolchildren. The most serious complications of Measles include blindness, encephalitis (an infection that causes brain swelling), severe diarrhoea and related dehydration, ear infections, or severe respiratory infections such as pneumonia. In fact, measles is one of THE LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH AMONG YOUNG CHILDREN. The only reason we don't see more deaths these days is because of the vaccination saturation. People with compromised immune systems can develop an especially dangerous variety of pneumonia that is sometimes fatal. About 1 in 1,000 people with measles develops encephalitis, an inflammation of the brain that may cause vomiting, convulsions and, rarely, coma or even death. Encephalitis can closely follow measles, or it can occur years later. Measles can cause miscarriages and premature babies. Along with encephalitis and miscarriage, mumps can cause sterility, meningitis, and pancreatititis. Chicken Pox can be excruciatingly painful when it becomes the shingles - which is more common in adults who have not been vaccinated, and it can cause miscarriage. People die of ALL these diseases - and not one or two people, and not just the immune compromised.

Also, so happy YOUR kid is super-healthy - but there are LOTS of kids and adults that are not and cannot get the vaccine because immune-compromised, that your kid if he gets sick (even if mild form or asymptomatic) from not getting vaccinated could KILL - and that's on your head because you chose to be ignorant.

[Anonymous]

You want to talk about measles in the 1970's. Why don't you actually do some research instead of referencing the measles episode on the Brady Bunch....

During 1971-75, an average of 35.4 measles-related deaths were recorded each year; one death for every 1,000 measles cases reported. Measles mortality rate was highest in children under 1 year of age, as was the death-to-case ratio. Mortality rates were higher in non-metropolitan than in metropolitan counties. Measles mortality rates were inversely related to median family income.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1619577/


The National Hospital Discharge Survey of the National Center for Health Statistics was analyzed for measles hospitalizations. From 1970-1978 there were an estimated 52,301 hospitalizations for measles, or approximately 5,800 per year. The median patient age was three years, and the median length of stay was four days. Forty-one per cent of the discharges listed respiratory complications, 10 per cent listed otitis media, and 3 per cent listed neurologic complications. Based on this analysis, hospitalizations for measles accounted for 314,063 hospital days during the period 1970-1978.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1650105/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: LOL! You are truly an idiot. Do you even realize that kids back then were not even routinely vaccinated for measles and mumps. When that episode for the Brady Bunch aired no one rioted, picketed or even though it was out of the ordinary because guess what? Measles was just being sick - NOT THE FREAKIN' END OF THE WORLD. Can you believe a whole entire generation of children never got vaccinated for it and grew up and became adults and didn't suffer any consequences.

Really, I truly don't care if measles comes "makes come back." Hell I was never even vaccinated for it nor were my siblings and I am pretty sure they all had it as kids and at least one of them had mumps. You

I am all for vaccines against actual diseases but measles, mumps and chicken pox, meh. don't see the point

Oh and btw my kid is super healthy. My kid has never even managed to catch the flu so I have very little concern at this point.

This has got to be a joke - Seriously. Some facts: Before measles vaccination was introduced in the United States in the mid-1960s, more than half a million cases of measles were reported each year. By the mid-1970s, fewer than 50,000 cases were being reported annually in the United States, but a severe outbreak in Los Angeles in 1977 (children died) led to compulsory immunization of schoolchildren. The most serious complications of Measles include blindness, encephalitis (an infection that causes brain swelling), severe diarrhoea and related dehydration, ear infections, or severe respiratory infections such as pneumonia. In fact, measles is one of THE LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH AMONG YOUNG CHILDREN. The only reason we don't see more deaths these days is because of the vaccination saturation. People with compromised immune systems can develop an especially dangerous variety of pneumonia that is sometimes fatal. About 1 in 1,000 people with measles develops encephalitis, an inflammation of the brain that may cause vomiting, convulsions and, rarely, coma or even death. Encephalitis can closely follow measles, or it can occur years later. Measles can cause miscarriages and premature babies. Along with encephalitis and miscarriage, mumps can cause sterility, meningitis, and pancreatititis. Chicken Pox can be excruciatingly painful when it becomes the shingles - which is more common in adults who have not been vaccinated, and it can cause miscarriage. People die of ALL these diseases - and not one or two people, and not just the immune compromised.

Also, so happy YOUR kid is super-healthy - but there are LOTS of kids and adults that are not and cannot get the vaccine because immune-compromised, that your kid if he gets sick (even if mild form or asymptomatic) from not getting vaccinated could KILL - and that's on your head because you chose to be ignorant.

Not the PP, but I would also like to add that everyone can have different degrees of illness. While 1 person may have chicken pox and feel basically fine (no fever, only itching), another may have a much more serious case as did a family friend. She had them all over, including the soles of the feet, palms of hands, on her eyelids, in her mouth, and down her throat.

In addition to those who cannot be vaccinated due to being immunocompromised, others may have allergies which prevent them from receiving a vaccine (egg allergy), or may be too young to be vaccinated for certain diseases and therefore rely on those around them being vaccinated for protection. The measles outbreak in Michigan and in Europe are examples of the later. Infants who are too young to be vaccinated became ill because older children and adults who did not receive the vaccine passed it on to them. Pertussis is another example, although the increase in cases is also due to the vaccine not providing lifelong immunity, which is why they (the CDC) strongly advises those who will be caring for newborns/infants or spending a significant amount of time around them to get a booster as an adult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My mother survived measles as a infant. She's fine.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Measles is not a deadly disease.

Watch the Brady Bunch. All the kids come down with the measles. It was a common sickness back then.

And before it's mentioned...In developing countries people are more likely to die of dehydration related to a fever from an illness than from the actual disease itself. So its actually lack of drinking water that kills them - not measles.

See... This person is within her right to be as ignorant as humanly possible.

PP- you realize the Brady Bunch is for pretend, right?

My great uncle survived a ship that sank in the middle of the Atlantic. I'm pretty sure that sinking ships are still dangerous, though.

[Anonymous]

and btw my kid is super healthy. My kid has never even managed to catch the flu so I have very little concern at this point.

You are confusing luck with immunity. I have friends who did that for several years. They felt so betrayed when they caught something.

[Anonymous]

Why does anyone think they can convince these people of this? There is a certain percentage of people who persist in their belief Bigfoot is real and Obama is a Kenyan. It is magical thinking. You can't deter them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My mother survived measles as a infant. She's fine. I guess if your mother hadn't survived, would you be posting that? Maybe not?!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Measles is not a deadly disease.

Watch the Brady Bunch. All the kids come down with the measles. It was a common sickness back then.

And before it's mentioned...In developing countries people are more likely to die of dehydration related to a fever from an illness than from the actual disease itself. So its actually lack of drinking water that kills them - not measles.

See... This person is within her right to be as ignorant as humanly possible.

PP- you realize the Brady Bunch is for pretend, right?

[Anonymous]

just staing a fact, moron

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My mother survived measles as a infant. She's fine.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Measles is not a deadly disease.

Watch the Brady Bunch. All the kids come down with the measles. It was a common sickness back then.

And before it's mentioned...In developing countries people are more likely to die of dehydration related to a fever from an illness than from the actual disease itself. So its actually lack of drinking water that kills them - not measles.

See... This person is within her right to be as ignorant as humanly possible.

PP- you realize the Brady Bunch is for pretend, right?

My great uncle survived a ship that sank in the middle of the Atlantic. I'm pretty sure that sinking ships are still dangerous, though.

[Anonymous]

daughter of the measles' survivor who's NOT blind -

So many of you probably freaked out b/c of H1N1, too, right? Who hears about this "flu" today?

not saying I don't vaccinate - My kids are fully vaccinated - with the exception of the yearly flu vaccine, and neither has been ill in the past 7 years.

But you're all so fearful of every germ that hits the Earth.

How do you live from day to day?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:daughter of the measles' survivor who's NOT blind -

So many of you probably freaked out b/c of H1N1, too, right? Who hears about this "flu" today?

not saying I don't vaccinate - My kids are fully vaccinated - with the exception of the yearly flu vaccine, and neither has been ill in the past 7 years.

But you're all so fearful of every germ that hits the Earth.

How do you live from day to day?

Nobody hears about the H1N1 today because the vaccine is now included in the seasonal flu vaccine so most are protected and it's no longer a pandemic.

I'm not fearful of every germ. But I am aware of the dangers of measles and it's a disease that should be respected. I vaccinate my children 100% including yearly for the flu.

FWIW my child contracted a very serious bacterial infection of which there is no vaccine. He spent time in the hospital hooked up to monitors, tubes, IV antibiotics, etc. Thank god he is now okay but it's still a slow process. There is no reason to put a child through a painful and frightening experience like this if there if a vaccine to prevent it. Sure, in the US the measles can be treated and in most cases children with healthy immune systems will get through it without lasting effects but that doesn't mean there won't be a hospital stay with plenty of scary stuff associated with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So many of you probably freaked out b/c of H1N1, too, right? Who hears about this "flu" today?

i know of 2 pregnant women in alexandria practice that died of H1H1 because they didnt get the flu shot this winter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:daughter of the measles' survivor who's NOT blind -

So many of you probably freaked out b/c of H1N1, too, right? Who hears about this "flu" today?

not saying I don't vaccinate - My kids are fully vaccinated - with the exception of the yearly flu vaccine, and neither has been ill in the past 7 years.

But you're all so fearful of every germ that hits the Earth.

How do you live from day to day?

Actually, I lost a good friend from H1N1. He was 34, totally healthy, and the father of three young children. People die of the flu and H1N1. It wasn't all hype.

[Anonymous]

Just came back from France and they are having a huge increase in Measles cases, because of this vaccine phobia.
Mortality, of course, is also increasing. I thought is was just Americans who were wackos about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just came back from France and they are having a huge increase in Measles cases, because of this vaccine phobia.
Mortality, of course, is also increasing. I thought is was just Americans who were wackos about this.

Nope - in fact, the British and the French are wakkos too - it was a British physician who trumped up the study that led to the now debunked idea that vaccines can lead to autism.